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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano View Post
    They haven't finished construction yet. Here's a recent flyover video of SunTrust Park:

    https://vimeo.com/201703291
    Thanks,place obviously looks terrific,should save a lot of electricity when only the bottom tier is open come September....cool video,them drones take great pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano View Post
    They haven't finished construction yet. Here's a recent flyover video of SunTrust Park:

    https://vimeo.com/201703291

    Good-looking park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManchesterUk View Post
    Thanks,place obviously looks terrific,should save a lot of electricity when only the bottom tier is open come September....cool video,them drones take great pictures.
    Very cool video but I’m disappointed to see the Braves play in yet another cookie cutter, symmetrical, ballpark. It needs some nooks and crannies. Some kind of signature characteristic that gives it identity. Something, anything, we haven’t seen a million times before. Boring.

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    Josh Donaldson body already breaking down from the steroid use....out 2 weeks with calf strain

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVic View Post
    Very cool video but I’m disappointed to see the Braves play in yet another cookie cutter, symmetrical, ballpark. It needs some nooks and crannies. Some kind of signature characteristic that gives it identity. Something, anything, we haven’t seen a million times before. Boring.
    The same thing happend with football stadiums here,they all look the same,no character...even grounds that have been here since the league began have been renovated removing the things that made them unique.

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    FWIW
    a discussion today with Peter Gammons on the MLB channel was full of innuendo's that what was in recent years called "(low) strikes" by umps will not be called this year- to absolutely benefit the hitters.

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    Matt Wieters to Washington Nationals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomzee View Post
    Matt Wieters to Washington Nationals?
    Two year deal, player option on the second year
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    Angels:


    Extremely unreliable rotation. Projected Rotation

    Projected Rotation

    Player POS IP W L ERA WHIP K BB SwStrike Fastball
    1 Matt Shoemaker SP 165 9 9 3.71 1.22 147 35 13.1% 91.5 mph
    2 Ricky Nolasco SP 171 9 10 4.05 1.34 128 41 9.2% 90.4 mph
    3 Tyler Skaggs SP 138 8 7 3.39 1.25 131 48 8.1% 92.8 mph
    4 Garrett Richards SP 161 10 8 3.41 1.20 145 58 11.2% 95.6 mph
    5 Alex Meyer SP 125 6 8 3.96 1.36 133 61 8.8% 95.2 mph


    That is a very ugly rotation imo. On any given night they might have the lesser SP on the mound. Shoemaker has the talent but can you trust the guy to pitch the entire season? Never has pitched more than 160 in a season and he is a 1.3 WHIP guy so he allows a lot of baserunners. Remember this is their ace lol.

    Then you have Nolasco who is a gas can, Skaggs with his 4ish ERA and non platoon pitching (lefties hit .299 vs him last 3 years)

    I do like Garrett Richards. But who knows what to expect from him and he allows his fair share of baserunners too.

    This entire rotation is a mess.


    Projected Lineup

    Player POS AB R HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG OPS BB K
    1 Yunel Escobar 3B 497 62 6 43 1 0.300 0.352 0.388 0.740 37 58
    2 Kole Calhoun OF 588 86 20 75 3 0.265 0.325 0.432 0.757 49 118
    3 Mike Trout OF 557 113 34 97 21 0.307 0.404 0.571 0.975 83 123
    4 Albert Pujols DH 525 69 29 95 4 0.261 0.315 0.465 0.780 39 58
    5 C.J. Cron 1B 550 62 22 85 4 0.267 0.309 0.449 0.758 28 104
    6 Cameron Maybin OF 436 66 6 50 18 0.273 0.335 0.378 0.713 39 80
    7 Danny Espinosa 2B 509 68 21 62 9 0.220 0.296 0.387 0.683 42 146
    8 Andrelton Simmons SS 521 53 5 48 8 0.269 0.312 0.349 0.661 31 44
    9 Martin Maldonado C 275 27 8 28 0 0.207 0.300 0.327 0.627 32 65



    lineup... Actually pretty damn good. Addition of Maybin makes this a very dangerous lineup. Especially 1-6.

    I am a big fan of Bedrosian. Not sure he will be closing, but he could be lights out if given the chance. Street is very unreliable and doesn't strike anyone out but the Angels have a very good defense.


    Shaky rotation, Questionable BP with upside, Lineup that is very dangerous 1-6.

    No playoffs obviously with this rotation. Can see a lot of high scoring games. Overs.

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    A good season for the Angels is 75 wins. That rotation is a mess. They are just wasting one of the best 2-3 players talents away in Trout. With Pujols batting cleanup, why pitch to Trout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baseball Zealot View Post
    Angels:


    Extremely unreliable rotation. Projected Rotation

    Projected Rotation

    Player POS IP W L ERA WHIP K BB SwStrike Fastball
    1 Matt Shoemaker SP 165 9 9 3.71 1.22 147 35 13.1% 91.5 mph
    2 Ricky Nolasco SP 171 9 10 4.05 1.34 128 41 9.2% 90.4 mph
    3 Tyler Skaggs SP 138 8 7 3.39 1.25 131 48 8.1% 92.8 mph
    4 Garrett Richards SP 161 10 8 3.41 1.20 145 58 11.2% 95.6 mph
    5 Alex Meyer SP 125 6 8 3.96 1.36 133 61 8.8% 95.2 mph


    That is a very ugly rotation imo. On any given night they might have the lesser SP on the mound. Shoemaker has the talent but can you trust the guy to pitch the entire season? Never has pitched more than 160 in a season and he is a 1.3 WHIP guy so he allows a lot of baserunners. Remember this is their ace lol.

    Then you have Nolasco who is a gas can, Skaggs with his 4ish ERA and non platoon pitching (lefties hit .299 vs him last 3 years)

    I do like Garrett Richards. But who knows what to expect from him and he allows his fair share of baserunners too.

    This entire rotation is a mess.


    Projected Lineup

    Player POS AB R HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG OPS BB K
    1 Yunel Escobar 3B 497 62 6 43 1 0.300 0.352 0.388 0.740 37 58
    2 Kole Calhoun OF 588 86 20 75 3 0.265 0.325 0.432 0.757 49 118
    3 Mike Trout OF 557 113 34 97 21 0.307 0.404 0.571 0.975 83 123
    4 Albert Pujols DH 525 69 29 95 4 0.261 0.315 0.465 0.780 39 58
    5 C.J. Cron 1B 550 62 22 85 4 0.267 0.309 0.449 0.758 28 104
    6 Cameron Maybin OF 436 66 6 50 18 0.273 0.335 0.378 0.713 39 80
    7 Danny Espinosa 2B 509 68 21 62 9 0.220 0.296 0.387 0.683 42 146
    8 Andrelton Simmons SS 521 53 5 48 8 0.269 0.312 0.349 0.661 31 44
    9 Martin Maldonado C 275 27 8 28 0 0.207 0.300 0.327 0.627 32 65



    lineup... Actually pretty damn good. Addition of Maybin makes this a very dangerous lineup. Especially 1-6.

    I am a big fan of Bedrosian. Not sure he will be closing, but he could be lights out if given the chance. Street is very unreliable and doesn't strike anyone out but the Angels have a very good defense.


    Shaky rotation, Questionable BP with upside, Lineup that is very dangerous 1-6.

    No playoffs obviously with this rotation. Can see a lot of high scoring games. Overs.
    Shoemaker has thrown over 160 innings 3 times in his career; you continue to make the same IP mistake in which you don't count all innings from a year, instead choosing to only count MLB innings. His career WHIP is 1.18 in the bigs, not 1.3. Skaggs is 25 and he was coming off elbow surgery last year; no guarantee he stays healthy or gets better, but don't think it's fair to say he's a 4 ERA guy going forward. He's a former top prospect who has really good stuff. Using a 3 year split for a guy who missed 18 months, and was practically a rookie prior doesn't make a lot of sense. He's also changed his delivery and is a very different pitcher than he was when he came up.

    Don't love their rotation either, but your post has it's fair share of inaccuracies.
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    I'm not sure about that. When someone comes in and takes the league by storm, the league adjusts. A WRC falloff from 167 to 118. The slugging percentage down over 100 points from 2014? That is big. Not saying he can't refind his 2014 form, but I won't assume he will. He's going to have to prove it first.
    Was hurt the entire first half of last year with a wrist and ankle injury that he played through. Had a 900 OPS in the second half of the season, slashed 319/384/514. He's on the wrong side of 30 for a big guy, but think the second half is a much better indicator and predictor of his future performance than the injury riddled first half of the season. Wouldn't be shocked to see some injuries or slight regression over the next few years but don't think it'll be to the point that he played the 1st half last year.
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    shoemaker last two seasons:
    1.26 WHIP
    1.23 WHIP


    Minor league innings and Major league innings are two different things. in four seasons in the majors, he has yet to eclipse 160IP. So that is that.


    Skaggs should improve, I agree. He is hitting 25 which is usually a prime year for pitchers. I like Skaggs but he's shaky. 49IP in MLB since 2014. Career 4.6 ERA.
    Skaggs upside is immense but until we see he can be solid can we trust him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timelytowin View Post
    Was hurt the entire first half of last year with a wrist and ankle injury that he played through. Had a 900 OPS in the second half of the season, slashed 319/384/514. He's on the wrong side of 30 for a big guy, but think the second half is a much better indicator and predictor of his future performance than the injury riddled first half of the season. Wouldn't be shocked to see some injuries or slight regression over the next few years but don't think it'll be to the point that he played the 1st half last year.
    Do you have him on your fantasy team?

    I think he could be round 1 potential for a round 2-3 price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano View Post
    I think you raise a good point about the rotation, Zealot. The obvious Achilles heel of the team is the starting pitching. They'll need Keuchel to get back to his 2015 form, or it will become McCullers and a bunch of 4th starters in short order.
    4th starters? McHugh had a 3 WAR, Keuchel 2.7 and Musgrove on pace for a WAR over 3 in a full seasons work.

    McCullers can't stay healthy. That's 3 starters - not counting McCullers - in the top 45 in baseball. Hardly a bunch of #4's. They need an ace or upgrade for reliability purposes but they certainly aren't in dire need for help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baseball Zealot View Post
    Do you have him on your fantasy team?

    I think he could be round 1 potential for a round 2-3 price.
    No, probably won't draft him. Better options late.
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    I think the Angels will have problems scoring runs...their pitching better improve this year...CJ Cron better have a good year....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baseball Zealot View Post
    shoemaker last two seasons:
    1.26 WHIP
    1.23 WHIP


    Minor league innings and Major league innings are two different things. in four seasons in the majors, he has yet to eclipse 160IP. So that is that.


    Skaggs should improve, I agree. He is hitting 25 which is usually a prime year for pitchers. I like Skaggs but he's shaky. 49IP in MLB since 2014. Career 4.6 ERA.
    Skaggs upside is immense but until we see he can be solid can we trust him?
    Innings are innings; the stress on the arm is the same.

    Shoemaker's statistics last year don't tell the entire story at all. He was sent down after a dreadful April and started throwing a Split. When he came back up, he was untouchable. The splitter may have led to arm troubles later in the year - who knows - but he's not the same pitcher he was when the season started last year. Here's proof of the Splitter adjustment, and the success it caused:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/matt-...naka-playbook/

    It led him to have an ERA around 3.00 the remainder of the season and a WHIP of 1.08.
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    The biggest issue for Shoemaker will be how he responds to brain surgery after taking a rocket shot to his noggin. Many pitchers never recover mentally after something like that.

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    Assuming health (which we'll know more about in a few weeks) the Angels look to me like a better than 80 win team. The rotation should end up as Richards, Shoemaker, Skaggs, Nolasco and Jesse Chavez, with Meyer a backstop against injury.If you look at Nolasco and Skaggs as the 4 and 5 rather than the way, BP lists them there's nothing terribly wrong with that. The lineup's been discussed and I still worry that the bullpen is the weak link. A significantly undiscussed and under rated is that with Espinoza in the fold and Maldonado behind the plate joining Simmons and Trout, they are 1/1A with the Cubs as the strongest up the middle defenses in MLB. That's been a big issue for them the last few years. A big problem might be the division the play, in. I think the Astros and M's are both 90 win teams and Texas should be low 80's. The Angels are going to have to hold their own within the division to finish .500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmTree View Post
    Assuming health (which we'll know more about in a few weeks) the Angels look to me like a better than 80 win team. The rotation should end up as Richards, Shoemaker, Skaggs, Nolasco and Jesse Chavez, with Meyer a backstop against injury.If you look at Nolasco and Skaggs as the 4 and 5 rather than the way, BP lists them there's nothing terribly wrong with that. The lineup's been discussed and I still worry that the bullpen is the weak link. A significantly undiscussed and under rated is that with Espinoza in the fold and Maldonado behind the plate joining Simmons and Trout, they are 1/1A with the Cubs as the strongest up the middle defenses in MLB. That's been a big issue for them the last few years. A big problem might be the division the play, in. I think the Astros and M's are both 90 win teams and Texas should be low 80's. The Angels are going to have to hold their own within the division to finish .500.

    I did mention briefly that their defense is very solid. Angels will need all things to go right with their rotation to compete. I have no opinion on whether they are above or below .500. Probably somewhere close, their offense alone will win games. Defense will help keep them in close games and their BP is shaky but I need to see what Scoisca does with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmTree View Post
    Assuming health (which we'll know more about in a few weeks) the Angels look to me like a better than 80 win team. The rotation should end up as Richards, Shoemaker, Skaggs, Nolasco and Jesse Chavez, with Meyer a backstop against injury.If you look at Nolasco and Skaggs as the 4 and 5 rather than the way, BP lists them there's nothing terribly wrong with that. The lineup's been discussed and I still worry that the bullpen is the weak link. A significantly undiscussed and under rated is that with Espinoza in the fold and Maldonado behind the plate joining Simmons and Trout, they are 1/1A with the Cubs as the strongest up the middle defenses in MLB. That's been a big issue for them the last few years. A big problem might be the division the play, in. I think the Astros and M's are both 90 win teams and Texas should be low 80's. The Angels are going to have to hold their own within the division to finish .500.
    I actually like the rangers. They have a good rotation and lineup. Mediocre pen Ill give you that. What dont you like Eric? I havent bet any rsw's but made them 85. Im not sold on the M's at all they added hitting but also got rid of Smith. I dont care for their bench or their rotation, middle pen doesn't do much for me either. Thanks

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    Shoemaker is a perfect example why game logs trump year to date stats like ERA, FIP, XFIP or SIERA. He started out the 2016 season terribly, then between May 21-June 27, he made 8 starts, throwing 50 innings. He struck out 56 and walked only 5, allowing just 12 earned runs. If you strictly looked at year to date numbers, it was hard to back him. Just like at the track, pitchers go in and out of form. When Shoemaker is on, he's very good. But when he's bad, he's awful.

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    I'm with drink. Rangers >>Mariners

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    I was on the Rangers bandwagon last year, and the were good and had great team chemistry. 36-11 in one run games. Last year, I argued one run results (like fumble recoveries in football) don't usually regress to the mean that particular year. But the next year? That's a different story. Even if the roster is pretty similar, its still a different chemistry dynamic. Last year, they won 7 straight Colby Lewis starts as a dog. Ian Desmond was a big contributor and he's gone.

    The rotation? It's Darvish and Hamels and smoke a lot of Camels.

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    Preemptive strike: First goofball or knucklehead to enter this thread spewing hate or nonsense will be given a 30-day ban.

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    David Wright and Lucas Duda already falling apart

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    I like the Halo pick-up of former SFG closer Petit. He was lights out the other day. Could be the setup guy they've been looking for. Only issue in camp now is who will start in left....Maybin or Revere.


    P.S. It warms my heart that Josh Hamilton looks done.

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    Drink:

    The Rangers were good to me last year. But they way outperformed their numbers. I doubt we'll ever see a team outscore opponents by 8 runs and win 95 games again in our lifetimes. Those things tend to even out over time. I aldso thought the talent was better last year. I'm not buying Carlos Gomez last 30 games. They let Desmond go and opened CF for Gomez. I'm also not buying Napoli as a good fit. I don't agree with you about the rotation. Behind Yu and Hamels are Cashner, Perez and Griffin. Perez eats innings but his K/BB is awful. He's a 1.4 WHIP 4.5 ERA guy and that's not good enough. Good GB rate but a lot of hard contact. No reason to think it changes this year.

    I thought Griffin regressed last year from his time in Oakland. A lot of that has to do with pitching in the wrong park. He's a fly ball pitcher with a better than 2 HR/9 last year. Couldn't get away with throwing fly balls to the big part of the yard like he did in Oakland. I expect Cashner to have issues. His BB rate keeps increasing along with his hard hit ball rate. Metrics point to a disaster in the AL.

    They only have one lefty in the pen (Claudio) and that's not enough with Cano, Seager, Vogelbach all big LH bats in Seattle and Reddick and McCann in Houston. JMO as always.

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    appreciate your thoughts palmtree

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmTree View Post
    Drink:

    The Rangers were good to me last year. But they way outperformed their numbers. I doubt we'll ever see a team outscore opponents by 8 runs and win 95 games again in our lifetimes. Those things tend to even out over time. I aldso thought the talent was better last year. I'm not buying Carlos Gomez last 30 games. They let Desmond go and opened CF for Gomez. I'm also not buying Napoli as a good fit. I don't agree with you about the rotation. Behind Yu and Hamels are Cashner, Perez and Griffin. Perez eats innings but his K/BB is awful. He's a 1.4 WHIP 4.5 ERA guy and that's not good enough. Good GB rate but a lot of hard contact. No reason to think it changes this year.

    I thought Griffin regressed last year from his time in Oakland. A lot of that has to do with pitching in the wrong park. He's a fly ball pitcher with a better than 2 HR/9 last year. Couldn't get away with throwing fly balls to the big part of the yard like he did in Oakland. I expect Cashner to have issues. His BB rate keeps increasing along with his hard hit ball rate. Metrics point to a disaster in the AL.

    They only have one lefty in the pen (Claudio) and that's not enough with Cano, Seager, Vogelbach all big LH bats in Seattle and Reddick and McCann in Houston. JMO as always.
    Totally agree with Rangers outperforming their numbers last year. The Twins did exactly that two seasons ago and last year fell completely on their face. Cashner will probably spend half or more of the year on the DL and who knows if Darvish will stay healthy. The Rangers aren't afraid to bring up rookies and throw them into the fire (probably more so than any MLB team) so I expect guys like Yohander Mendez and Ariel Jurado to be getting starts by mid summer.

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    People are down on Texas because of their record in 1-run games last year. I'm not sold on regression there - good teams find ways to win late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    People are down on Texas because of their record in 1-run games last year. I'm not sold on regression there - good teams find ways to win late.
    Their one run record is clearly not sustainable; no matter how good you are; or how good your bullpen is.
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    Rangers

    2016 at a glance


    Record: 95-67 (1st in AL West)
    Hitting: 7th (4.72 R/G)
    Pitching: 22nd (4.37 ERA)



    lets look at their lineup

    Projected Lineup

    Player POS AB R HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG OPS BB K
    1 Carlos Gomez OF 485 63 15 61 21 0.249 0.308 0.408 0.716 33 125
    2 Shin-Soo Choo OF 400 61 15 49 6 0.263 0.353 0.430 0.783 46 91
    3 Adrian Beltre 3B 535 80 24 87 1 0.301 0.353 0.499 0.852 40 57
    4 Mike Napoli 1B 463 67 25 73 4 0.238 0.326 0.447 0.773 58 131
    5 Rougned Odor 2B 586 79 27 83 11 0.268 0.303 0.481 0.784 22 114
    6 Jonathan Lucroy C 479 64 17 68 4 0.286 0.346 0.463 0.809 43 77
    7 Nomar Mazara OF 549 65 22 70 0 0.271 0.322 0.428 0.750 38 107
    8 Elvis Andrus SS 570 74 7 64 26 0.279 0.331 0.389 0.720 43 71
    9 Joey Gallo DH 325 54 19 49 3 0.203 0.305 0.440 0.745 45 135


    This is one of the better lineups in MLB. Top to bottom it's solid. This doesn't even include Loney who is capable of hitting .300 in this park. Rua and Profar aren't bad either. One thing I will mention is that this lineup has some key players that are getting up there in age, Beltre, Napoli and that is a bit of a concern but both guys should be solid when they are on the field. Texas will have no problem scoring runs whatsoever,

    Let's look at the rotation.
    Darvish and Hamels make up a very good 1-2 punch and combined with the offense will make it tough to bet against when these two are pitching. Perez, Cashner, Ross, Griffin are huge question marks. This is where the success of the team will rely on, how the 3-4-5 pitchers do for this team. You can say that for almost any team but this team is even more so. If Texas is in the race and make a move to get a SP or two this team can contend. With this current rotation I am not sure if they can contend.

    BP looks pretty good to me. I think they could outperform expectations..

    This will be an interesting team. If they ended up with 79 wins I wouldn't be shocked, if they won 95 again I wouldn't be shocked. They overachieved last year, no doubt but good teams find ways to win and people lost a lot of money fading them thinking they were not for real. The same mistake could be made again.

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    One team flying way under the radar is the Brewers. I've played them over 68 and 68.5 and I think 69 is OK at -110 or better. The starting pitching is a bunch of no names all better than you think. Nothing spectacular in the pen but they brought in 3 free agents to stsabilize things and they're average. Braun's thumb is finally healthy. They're a pain in the ass to play with tons of speed at the top of the lineup with Villar and Broxton. They took a gamble this winter signing Eric Thames from Japan and giving him the cleanup spot and the first base job. He destroyed the Japanese league the last few years after failing in MLB. I think getting Travis Shaw from Boston was a good "buy low" move. Domingo Santana needs to hit. The defense is excellent, especially up the middle. The division is way down with the Cards and Pirates projected 4-5 wins fewer than last year, and the talent is better. They also have two top 50 prospects (Lewis Brinson and Josh Hader) who could make the team but will definitely be up by June.This is a pretty strong play for me.

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