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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    Why does Jordan get a pass for the team they built the year they won 70 games? I think there were 21 hall of famers on that roster.
    Unlike Lebron, he was able to work with a superstar (Pippen)

    Lebron has made every elite player he has played with significantly worse for significant portions of their time together. Love, Bosh, Wade, Irving... only really Irving has played anywhere near his talent level with Lebron, the other 3 bottomed out big time.

    The fact Jordan was able to dominate AND allow Pippen to reach his peak potential is a testament to him, not a negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane View Post
    The NBA set an all time attendance record drawing just under 22 million fans, the league is doing just fine
    You're crazy if you think the NBA is as popular now as it was during the Jordan era. It's about percentages, not totals, for obvious reasons.

    Don't feel like digging for where I saw this, but I saw that 33% as many people today see the NBA as their favorite sports league as they did 20 years ago.

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    Several players currently in the league would be just as good as if not better than Lebron if allowed the same set of rules. Lebron is actually allowed to take as many steps as he wants without dribbling as long as it ends in a dunk..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangover View Post
    Several players currently in the league would be just as good as if not better than Lebron if allowed the same set of rules. Lebron is actually allowed to take as many steps as he wants without dribbling as long as it ends in a dunk..
    Yup. Laughable how much the refs nut hug him. He's the softest bitch in the NBA and a huge flopper.

    Can't believe people think he's the best ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangover View Post
    Several players currently in the league would be just as good as if not better than Lebron if allowed the same set of rules. Lebron is actually allowed to take as many steps as he wants without dribbling as long as it ends in a dunk..


    lol foul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangover View Post
    Several players currently in the league would be just as good as if not better than Lebron if allowed the same set of rules. Lebron is actually allowed to take as many steps as he wants without dribbling as long as it ends in a dunk..
    Cmon brah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Marichal View Post
    Yup. Laughable how much the refs nut hug him. He's the softest bitch in the NBA and a huge flopper.

    Can't believe people think he's the best ever.
    Will never be 50% as much as they nut hugged Jordan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumgarnerWins View Post


    lol foul!
    He obviously walked their but whoever is counting is either blind or bias because he took a dribble on step 3.

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    Lebron would have never been able to get out of the East if he plays back then.

    No way he could play this same way with those rules and what they could do.

    Let him try to do what he does now against the Knicks and Ewing,Oakley,Mason or Indiana and Smits and the Davis boys. He wouldnt get anywhere near the basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timetopay View Post
    Lebron would have never been able to get out of the East if he plays back then.

    No way he could play this same way with those rules and what they could do.

    Let him try to do what he does now against the Knicks and Ewing,Oakley,Mason or Indiana and Smits and the Davis boys. He wouldnt get anywhere near the basket.
    We'll obv never know but I don't see a scenario where he doesn't take his big black angus out and piss all over that era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timetopay View Post
    Lebron would have never been able to get out of the East if he plays back then.

    No way he could play this same way with those rules and what they could do.

    Let him try to do what he does now against the Knicks and Ewing,Oakley,Mason or Indiana and Smits and the Davis boys. He wouldnt get anywhere near the basket.
    would have loved to see him tangle with the Bad Boys of Detroit. How much crying would he have done against those guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timetopay View Post
    Lebron would have never been able to get out of the East if he plays back then.

    No way he could play this same way with those rules and what they could do.

    Let him try to do what he does now against the Knicks and Ewing,Oakley,Mason or Indiana and Smits and the Davis boys. He wouldnt get anywhere near the basket.
    Blah, blah, blah. I hear this same shit all the time, LeBron could have played in any era and been just as great
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    Quote Originally Posted by kane View Post
    Blah, blah, blah. I hear this same shit all the time, LeBron could have played in any era and been just as great
    That's a variable. We know how he responds now to contact. He bitches and moans and gets thrown off his game.

    Are you arguing that consistently being exposed to that type of contact would have made him into a tougher person and he would have been less of a bitch?

    Maybe that's true, but you can't just assume on that.



    Kirk Hinrich got under his skin a ton with a couple of 'soft' hard fouls. He's a big cry baby and loses his cool whenever someone else touches him. And talk about lack of self awareness... he's twice the size of the guys he's complaining about being too rough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumgarnerWins View Post
    That's a variable. We know how he responds now to contact. He bitches and moans and gets thrown off his game.

    Are you arguing that consistently being exposed to that type of contact would have made him into a tougher person and he would have been less of a bitch?

    Maybe that's true, but you can't just assume on that.



    Kirk Hinrich got under his skin a ton with a couple of 'soft' hard fouls. He's a big cry baby and loses his cool whenever someone else touches him. And talk about lack of self awareness... he's twice the size of the guys he's complaining about being too rough.
    There are tons of variables when comparing different eras which make these discussions tough yet interesting. However the one conclusion that any logical thinking person can come to is that the players of today's era are generally bigger, faster, and stronger than the players of the previous eras which leads me to conclude that Lebron would be fine in the eras of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    There are tons of variables when comparing different eras which make these discussions tough yet interesting. However the one conclusion that any logical thinking person can come to is that the players of today's era are generally bigger, faster, and stronger than the players of the previous eras which leads me to conclude that Lebron would be fine in the eras of the past.
    Bigger, faster, stronger, and feel the need to take 8-10 games a year.

    Shortening the season won't solve it either. Players will keep taking off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timetopay View Post
    Lebron would have never been able to get out of the East if he plays back then.

    No way he could play this same way with those rules and what they could do.

    Let him try to do what he does now against the Knicks and Ewing,Oakley,Mason or Indiana and Smits and the Davis boys. He wouldnt get anywhere near the basket.

    What does this have to do with Gabe?

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    I don't understand the hero worship of players. Who cares? They are entertainers. Even Jordan himself once said he was very good at putting a ball into a hoop and didn't understand why that was such a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    Bigger, faster, stronger, and feel the need to take 8-10 games a year.

    Shortening the season won't solve it either. Players will keep taking off.
    Not sure if it's the players or the people that make the decisions for them. Generally speaking the players want to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    Not sure if it's the players or the people that make the decisions for them. Generally speaking the players want to play.
    Good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    We'll obv never know but I don't see a scenario where he doesn't take his big black angus out and piss all over that era.
    LMAO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GameBred View Post
    The standard deviation of skills has gone down since MJ's time which makes LBJ's decade+ dominance all the more impressive. If he played in MJ's era, they would think one of two things:

    1. He's an alien from an advanced planet
    2. He's from the future (which he actually would be)

    He's a freak for today's game, back then, JFC, he would rape and pillage. He would probably go down as the greatest perimeter defensive player ever. He would be able to hand-check anyone quicker than him and anyone stronger than him wouldn't get around him.
    Brick plays point forward. He gets the assists of a guard and rebounds of a forward. A lot of the points that Brick gets are uncontested layups where defenders run out of the way.

    It's a different game and he plays a position where stats are inflated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane View Post
    Blah, blah, blah. I hear this same shit all the time, LeBron could have played in any era and been just as great
    Wrong. Brick doesn't respond well to contact. He scores on dunks and layups.

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    Brick loses the East during the regular season. He got the number 1 seed twice.. When he plays the West in the finals he's 3-4

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumgarnerWins View Post


    lol foul!

    From half court to the rim in one dribble...gotta love the Lebron Rules lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    Brick loses the East during the regular season. He got the number 1 seed twice.. When he plays the West in the finals he's 3-4
    For the hundredth time, LeBron doesn't give a fuck about the regular season or the one seed, I don't know why you can't understand this. Five times in his career he wasn't the one seed. All five times he wasn't the one seed his team reached the finals. He's won 18, soon to be 19 straight playoff series vs the East
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangover View Post
    From half court to the rim in one dribble...gotta love the Lebron Rules lol
    Yeah, cause LeBron is the only player in the league who travels, gmab
    It's not the kill, it's the thrill of the chase

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    Not sure if it's the players or the people that make the decisions for them. Generally speaking the players want to play.
    For the most part true but not with Brick, no one makes decisions for him. And that includes his own coach.

    If he's sitting its because he wants to.

    He's much bigger than the team, or the game.

    if I was going to hero worship an athlete it damn sure wouldn't be this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BumgarnerWins View Post
    You mean the series where the Warriors win in 5 if the league doesn't suspend the Warriors' most important player from an NBA finals game? Yeah, I remember that series. Very well, in fact.
    Hey shit stain- they were at home with Green back for game 7 and couldn't get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick McIrish View Post
    For the most part true but not with Brick, no one makes decisions for him. And that includes his own coach.

    If he's sitting its because he wants to.

    He's much bigger than the team, or the game.

    if I was going to hero worship an athlete it damn sure wouldn't be this guy.
    Not quite sure how you know that to be the case but whatever. I just call out he facts. I have no heroes. Just like to keep the facts straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    Brick plays point forward. He gets the assists of a guard and rebounds of a forward. A lot of the points that Brick gets are uncontested layups where defenders run out of the way.

    It's a different game and he plays a position where stats are inflated.
    Dominique Wilkins thrived in that era. To paraphrase Ray, LBJ would whip out his cock and bitch slap that entire era with it. GMAFB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001 View Post
    Brick plays point forward. He gets the assists of a guard and rebounds of a forward. A lot of the points that Brick gets are uncontested layups where defenders run out of the way.

    It's a different game and he plays a position where stats are inflated.
    This is the best analogy I can come up with:

    Please note, LBJ is the one with the shotgun and Steve Buscemi represents "MJ's Era."

    Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brayden11 View Post
    would have loved to see him tangle with the Bad Boys of Detroit. How much crying would he have done against those guys?
    His crying would get so out of hand the NBA would need to change the rules so refs could provide him with tissue between plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Marichal View Post
    His crying would get so out of hand the NBA would need to change the rules so refs could provide him with tissue between plays.
    Like I said before, he would take his big black angus out ( calm down Sooner) and piss all over that era. Only one that would be crying is MJ cause he wouldn't know how to handle being 2nd best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    Why does Jordan get a pass for the team they built the year they won 70 games? I think there were 21 hall of famers on that roster.
    Jordan got old guys way past their prime such as Rodman. Brick goes to the best team with players in their prime.

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    The morons out here again.

    Jordan had superstars all around him and arguably the best coach of all time.

    Jordan wouldn't have won shit without Pippen and Phil. Just throw in the best rebounder in the league, and some dead eye shooters.

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