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    The NHL's newest franchise will take center stage (or is it center ice?) Wednesday night at T-Mobile Arena here in Las Vegas to unveil its initial roster as part of the 2017 Expansion Draft.

    The Vegas Golden Knights, the city's first-ever major professional sports franchise, will be choosing from a list of 673 available players and must select one player from each of the 30 NHL teams.

    The last NHL expansion took place 17 years ago when the Columbus Blue Jackets and Minnesota Wild joined the league before the 2000-01 season.

    The Blue Jackets and Wild posted similar results in their debut seasons with Columbus finishing with 71 points (28-39-9-6) and Minnesota ending up with 68 points (25-39-13-5).

    Interestingly, both teams were outscored by about a half-goal per game with the Blue Jackets being outscored by its opponents, 233-190, and the Wild coming up short, 210-168.

    Vegas will be the 15th team in the Western Conference and compete in the Pacific Division.

    Pittsburgh goaltender Marc-André Fleury is expected to serve as the expansion team's top goaltender after the Penguins protected 23-year-old star Matt Murray, who earlier this month blanked the Nashville Predators in Games 5 and 6 to give the Penguins their second straight Stanley Cup title.

    The Vegas Golden Knights are currently listed at odds of 200-1 (Westgate SuperBook) to become the 2017-18 Stanley Cup champions.

    I'm better equipped to answer how the Vegas Golden Knights will fare in the market than on the ice, though the two factors are inextricably linked, especially in a city that promotes winners and demotes losers.

    Will the Las Vegas community support the Golden Knights?

    Initially, yes.

    Everyone will want to see an NHL game at T-Mobile Arena.

    I watched UNLV play Duke in a college hoop game last December at T-Mobile Arena and I came away impressed with the slightly-smaller version of L.A.'s Staples Center tucked neatly behind New York-New York Hotel and Casino.

    But once the novelty of the team wears off and the arena becomes familiar, will local hockey fans return to watch a subpar team at premium prices lose more games than they win?

    The answer is no.

    One look at the local university tells the story.

    When UNLV basketball was winning in the late '80's and early '90's, the Thomas and Mack Center was packed to the rafters and "Gucci Row" seats were going for top dollar.

    The late head coach Jerry Tarkanian, nicknamed "Tark the Shark," spread goodwill throughout the city and spread the city's Runnin' Rebel image across the country and around the world.

    Tarkanian's UNLV teams typically led the nation in scoring, turnovers forced, home sellouts and home blowouts.

    The team's fast-paced style matched the city's exciting pace and tickets to UNLV games became a precious commodity.

    Fast forward more than a quarter-century later and the same Thomas and Mack Center that was abuzz with activity and excitement lay dormant with empty seats outnumbering occupied seats by a 4:1 margin.

    That's what happens when the Marvin Menzies-led UNLV hoop team finishes 11-21 overall, the worst record in program history, and 4-14 in Mountain West play, a conference that figures to be a one-bid league for many NCAA tournaments to come.

    Las Vegas consumers are a discriminating lot; they will not pay top-dollar for a mediocre product.

    They are accustomed to getting deals on everything and they spend a lot of their time and money supporting neighborhood casinos where the emphasis is on bargain-priced food offerings, graveyard specials, 2-for-1 deals and raffle drawings.

    Will Las Vegans be willing to spend $60 or $80 or $100 per ticket to see a group of players who are viewed as expendable or nonessential by other teams and have never played with one another before?

    The New York Rangers, Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks and Toronto Maple Leafs can command big prices for choice seats because the demand is high.

    The primary and secondary markets are alive and well in cities with rich hockey histories.

    But Las Vegas has no history of supporting any team outside of UNLV's national championship basketball team of the early 1990's.

    The Vegas Golden Knights may enjoy a honeymoon period of one or two seasons but when the NFL's Las Vegas Raiders arrive from Oakland in 2020, I'll be betting against the long-term success of hockey in the desert.

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    nobody likes staples center. fans here hate it. so do performers. tmobile is parking nightmare too just like staples. people will be 1 and done. mgm grand much better venue

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    will vegas people spend 60.80.100? No. you need rich white people to buy tickets. vegas does not have enough of those. ducks fans are all from south orange county. you never see duck fans that are also angel fans, 2 different demographics.

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    do not buy season tix, they will be on stubhub 20 cents on the dollar

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    RAILBIRD, a longtime ticket broker in SoCal and Las Vegas, has a good feel for the sports marketplace.

    I like my trips to Staples Center and L.A. Live to watch my favorite Staples Center tenant play basketball.

    Hint: Not the Lakers or the Clippers.

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    every unlv basketball game in the 1985-1989 was televised in LA on channel 9. chick hearn called the games, his broadcast partner was ross porter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    RAILBIRD, a longtime ticket broker in SoCal and Las Vegas, has a good feel for the sports marketplace.

    I like my trips to Staples Center and LA Live to watch my favorite Staples Center tenant play basketball.

    Hint: Not the Lakers and not the Clippers.
    it is 3rd best venue on figeurora street behind galen center and lasports arena

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    bruce springsteen and adele both hated staples center

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    RAILBIRD, a longtime ticket broker in SoCal and Las Vegas, has a good feel for the sports marketplace.

    I like my trips to Staples Center and L.A. Live to watch my favorite Staples Center tenant play basketball.

    Hint: Not the Lakers or the Clippers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    The NHL's newest franchise will take center stage (or is it center ice?) Wednesday night at T-Mobile Arena here in Las Vegas to unveil its initial roster as part of the 2017 Expansion Draft.

    The Vegas Golden Knights, the city's first-ever major professional sports franchise, will be choosing from a list of 673 available players and must select one player from each of the 30 NHL teams.

    The last NHL expansion took place 17 years ago when the Columbus Blue Jackets and Minnesota Wild joined the league before the 2000-01 season.

    The Blue Jackets and Wild posted similar results in their debut seasons with Columbus finishing with 71 points (28-39-9-6) and Minnesota ending up with 68 points (25-39-13-5).

    Interestingly, both teams were outscored by about a half-goal per game with the Blue Jackets being outscored by its opponents, 233-190, and the Wild coming up short, 210-168.

    Vegas will be the 15th team in the Western Conference and compete in the Pacific Division.

    Pittsburgh goaltender Marc-André Fleury is expected to serve as the expansion team's top goaltender after the Penguins protected 23-year-old star Matt Murray, who earlier this month blanked the Nashville Predators in Games 5 and 6 to give the Penguins their second straight Stanley Cup title.

    The Vegas Golden Knights are currently listed at odds of 200-1 (Westgate SuperBook) to become the 2017-18 Stanley Cup champions.

    I'm better equipped to answer how the Vegas Golden Knights will fare in the market than on the ice, though the two factors are inextricably linked, especially in a city that promotes winners and demotes losers.

    Will the Las Vegas community support the Golden Knights?

    Initially, yes.

    Everyone will want to see an NHL game at T-Mobile Arena.

    I watched UNLV play Duke in a college hoop game last Decemeber at T-Mobile Arena and I came away impressed with the slightly-smaller version of L.A.'s Staples Center tucked neatly behind New York-New York Hotel and Casino.

    But once the novelty of the team wears off and the arena becomes familiar, will local hockey fans return to watch a subpar team at premium prices lose more games than they win?

    The answer is no.

    One look at the local university tells the story.

    When UNLV basketball was winning in the late '80's and early '90's, the Thomas and Mack Center was packed to the rafters and "Gucci Row" seats going for top dollar.

    The late head coach Jerry Tarkanian, nicknamed "Tark the Shark," spread goodwill throughout the city and spread the city's Runnin' Rebel image across the country and around the world.

    Tarkanian's UNLV teams typically led the nation in scoring, turnovers forced, home sellouts and home blowouts.

    The team's fast-paced style matched the city's exciting pace and tickets to UNLV games became a precious commodity.

    Fast forward more than a quarter-century later and the same Thomas and Mack Center that was abuzz with activity and excitement lay dormant with empty seats outnumbering occupied seats by a 4:1 margin.

    That's what happens when the Marvin Menzies-led UNLV hoop team finishes 11-21 overall, the worst record in program history, and 4-14 in Mountain West play, a conference that figures to be a one-bid league for many NCAA tournaments to come.

    Las Vegas consumers are a discriminating lot; they will not pay top-dollar for a mediocre product.

    They are accustomed to getting deals on everything and they spend a lot of their time and money supporting neighborhood casinos where the emphasis is on bargain-priced food offerings, graveyard specials, 2-for-1 deals and raffle drawings.

    Will Las Vegans be willing to spend $60 or $80 or $100 per ticket to see a group of players who are viewed as expendable or nonessential by other teams and have never played with one another before?

    The New York Rangers, Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks and Toronto Maple Leafs can command big prices for choice seats because the demand is high.

    The primary and secondary markets are alive and well in cities with rich hockey histories.

    But Las Vegas has no history of supporting any team outside of UNLV's national championship basketball team of the early 1990's.

    The Vegas Golden Knights may enjoy a honeymoon period of one or two seasons but when the NFL's Las Vegas Raiders arrive from Oakland in 2020, I'll be betting against the long-term success of hockey in the desert.
    Here's predicting that once the Vegas fan base dries up, T-Mobile Arena will continue to sell out....with the fans of the visiting team as the principal patrons. Every hardcore hockey fan in the country will want to come to Vegas to see their team play because it gives them another reason to plan that vacation they had been putting off. This will hold particularly true for teams from cities where Vegas is already an incredibly popular vacation destination. (The Western/Central Canadian cities come to mind... Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Winnipeg.)

    Another source of visiting team fans will be Valley residents (most of which are still transplants) who will not give up their allegiance to their hometown team for the new Vegas product.

    I actually fear that competition for these tickets might be a problem even if the Vegas franchise does enjoy some initial success on the ice.

    I'm not sure what's worse: an empty home arena, or a hostile one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejd_5277 View Post
    Here's predicting that once the Vegas fan base dries up, T-Mobile Arena will continue to sell out....with the fans of the visiting team as the principal patrons. Every hardcore hockey fan in the country will want to come to Vegas to see their team play because it gives them another reason to plan that vacation they had been putting off. This will hold particularly true for teams from cities where Vegas is already an incredibly popular vacation destination. (The Western/Central Canadian cities come to mind... Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Winnipeg.)

    Another source of visiting team fans will be Valley residents (most of which are still transplants) who will not give up their allegiance to their hometown team for the new Vegas product.

    I actually fear that competition for these tickets might be a problem even if the Vegas franchise does enjoy some initial success on the ice.

    I'm not sure what's worse: an empty home arena, or a hostile one...

    Good points, EJD.

    I especially liked your last sentence.

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    I should add that I think this will be an even larger problem when the Raiders arrive.

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    Sorry. I disagree JK. Not only is the hockey fan a different animal, but theres no commish in sports that promote parity like the NhLs Bettman. Add in their enthusiastic owner Foley and as EJD mentioned, every traveler will want to come see not only their team on a visit to Vegas but any team playing that night. You can't compare a college basketball team with a pro team with uprooted fans wanting to see not only their former hometown team come to town, but any pro level team. The advantage the hockey fan has is once you see a game live in person, 8 times out of 10 you are hooked on the game. Tv does this sport no justice. Except for Arizona and a Florida, there really is no NHL team that has not experienced success along with long droughts. And Arizona is a different animal with their arena problem. There is a salary cap in place and the NHL is pretty good at Making sure no team experiences too high highs and too low lows. Not only that but the NFL plays 8 home games a year compared to 41+ playoffs and the exhibition season. Imo this will be a minor distraction to fans when both teams are playing the same week. Hell, the Knights may have 3 home games the week the Raiders play their one game. You guys are misreading this situation. Only thing that helps support your theory is if the knights are extreamly horrible for many years. Your Gm is right this moment stocking up draft picks to darn near garentee a decent team and a farm team well stocked with quality young men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    RAILBIRD, a longtime ticket broker in SoCal and Las Vegas, has a good feel for the sports marketplace.

    I like my trips to Staples Center and L.A. Live to watch my favorite Staples Center tenant play basketball.

    Hint: Not the Lakers or the Clippers.
    LA Sparks

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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    tmobile is parking nightmare too just like staples. people will be 1 and done. mgm grand much better venue
    How is parking to see something at MGM any better than across the street at TMobile?

    Seems like if one is a nightmare, the other is too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushay View Post
    Sorry. I disagree JK. Not only is the hockey fan a different animal, but theres no commish in sports that promote parity like the NhLs Bettman. Add in their enthusiastic owner Foley and as EJD mentioned, every traveler will want to come see not only their team on a visit to Vegas but any team playing that night. You can't compare a college basketball team with a pro team with uprooted fans wanting to see not only their former hometown team come to town, but any pro level team. The advantage the hockey fan has is once you see a game live in person, 8 times out of 10 you are hooked on the game. Tv does this sport no justice. Except for Arizona and a Florida, there really is no NHL team that has not experienced success along with long droughts. And Arizona is a different animal with their arena problem. There is a salary cap in place and the NHL is pretty good at Making sure no team experiences too high highs and too low lows. Not only that but the NFL plays 8 home games a year compared to 41+ playoffs and the exhibition season. Imo this will be a minor distraction to fans when both teams are playing the same week. Hell, the Knights may have 3 home games the week the Raiders play their one game. You guys are misreading this situation. Only thing that helps support your theory is if the knights are extreamly horrible for many years. Your Gm is right this moment stocking up draft picks to darn near garentee a decent team and a farm team well stocked with quality young men.

    What do baskerball fans know about the game of hockey. You and rail need to stick to what you know.

    And here I thought I was satisfying Bushay when I wrote about hockey.

    He admonished me last week for ignoring the Stanley Cup Final.

    Can't win.

    But seriously, you made good points about NHL parity and the live product inside the arena versus television viewing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Diablo View Post
    How is parking to see something at MGM any better than across the street at TMobile?

    Seems like if one is a nightmare, the other is too...

    Thanks for visiting, Sol Diablo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastyle7 View Post
    LA Sparks

    Bingo!

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    I'll give Vegas fans some credit for coming out in big numbers when NBA History was on the line. Kareem broke Wilt's all-time scoring record against the Jazz...........in a game played at the Thomas and Mack in front of a packed crowd

    http://www.nba.com/allstar2007/karee...ng_record.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    And here I thought I was satisfying Bushay when I wrote about hockey.

    He admonished me last week for ignoring the Stanley Cup Final.

    Can't win.

    But seriously, you made good points about NHL parity and the live product inside the arena versus television viewing.
    Yes, my intent first off was to thank you for that and the heat of the moment caused me to forget. Thank you Jk.
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    The big question about the Knights’ first game is:





    WHO!





    Who will it be against? I don’t think it will be against an EC team because those teams only come in once a year so don’t “waste” it on someone like Detroit/Rangers/Les Habs – who you know will pack the place for that one game.





    I wouldn’t make it against the Kings/Inferior SoCal NHL Team because you know those games will have a big away crowd turnout (At least for the Kings – IO “fans” are the dumbest fans in the NHL and outside of Atlanta – the dumbest/worst in all USA Sports). I don’t think it will be Chicago – see EC teams for that.





    You don’t want it against a “dregs” team, too – like Arizona or if they go to the EC – someone like Carolina (who has no real fan interest in that team).





    I could see it being someone like Edmonton and Conor McJesus or Minnesota. Will be interesting to see who as well as what the NHL chooses to do with EC teams. Seeing as how the EC teams will have to play 15 WC road games, the NHL might send EC teams on a 5-game roadie with games in: AZ/Vegas/LA/Ana/SJ. This way fans of the EC team can come out and enjoy 5 games in a short time span.





    It will also be interesting to see how the NHL skeds teams in Vegas as far as off days. Does the NHL give teams a few days to enjoy the city? A team plays LA/Ana on Tue/Wed then doesn’t play again until Saturday in Vegas thus giving that team a few days to have fun in Vegas or do they do the opposite – get teams in/out of Vegas as fast as they can?





    Does the NHL get the Knights out of the area for BIG time conventions like “CES” or keep them there so the attendees have something to see if they want? I think they get them out of town.





    Will be very interesting to see all that happens starting very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushay View Post
    Sorry. I disagree JK. What do basketball fans know about the game of hockey. You and rail need to stick to what you know.
    Disagree.

    JK knows the City and people of Las Vegas. He's lived there many years and he works in LV media and he has daily contact with an impressive network of friends and associates in Vegas who represent a wide demographic. Jk is qualified to discuss the potential for success professional hockey in Vegas based on his knowledge of both the Vegas tourists and also the locals.

    I also believe that people like JK's friend, bartender Caitlyn from Ohio, will definitely bring value to the sports betting community at some point in future.

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    Unfortunately agree with JK-

    Unless this team is successful out of the gate, I don't see a strong future for pro hockey in Vegas.

    I hope I'm wrong, and I'll go to my share of Vegas home games as I'm a huge fan of hockey but I think I'm in the minority when it comes to Vegas sports fans.

    This is a basketball town, and even though I detest NBA hoops, I think it is the pro sport best suited for Vegas. The NBA summer league is growing in popularity every year, and when the Lakers are good they are probably Vegas' most popular team. Working behind the counter for over 15 years I grew to root against the Lakers as it seemed we needed the other side in almost every game of the Kobe era.

    NBA betting handle dwarfs NHL handle on a nightly basis, and while that might not be a measuring stick of a team's viability, I think it is an accurate measure of public interest.


    The NFL will be successful because you only get 8-10 home game tops, and the NFL is king. Throw in the fact that the Raiders already have a strong fan base in town, the Vegas Raiders will do just fine.

    While I don't necessarily think the NFL team will negatively affect the hockey team, the hockey team will always be playing 2nd fiddle.

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    clark county 3 million, but only 25000 families make more than 60K. . LV Thunder drew nicely in 1995 but that was still the hockey boom from gretzky. junior hockey participation way down from 20 yrs ago. wranglers fans mostly over 50 yr old transplants tix are less than 20 bucks. its a dennys crowd.

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    inintal 1.5 to 2 yrs will be solid, then a falling knife from there.

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    Tuesday night game in December 2022.

    A mediocre Vegas hockey team would draw well against:

    - an original 6 team

    - an East coast team w/ strong fan base. Sabres, Pens, Flyers

    Would be lucky to draw over 12k against:
    - Coyotes, Stars, Blues, Pred, Panthers, Lightning, Hurricanes, Wild, Sens, Devils, Isles

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    The key will be if the team can build a rivalry or draw well against other West Coast teams. LA Kings fan base is pretty solid, and would probably travel.

    Will the Knights draw well against the Flames, Jets, Oilers, Canucks, Avs, Ducks or Sharks? We will see.

    As already mentioned, if the team is mediocre and the opponent is mediocre I think tourists and locals alike would rather spend their $ on an O show or a buffet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    Disagree.

    JK knows the City and people of Las Vegas. He's lived there many years and he works in LV media and he has daily contact with an impressive network of friends and associates in Vegas who represent a wide demographic. Jk is qualified to discuss the potential for success professional hockey in Vegas based on his knowledge of both the Vegas tourists and also the locals.

    I also believe that people like JK's friend, bartender Caitlyn from Ohio, will definitely bring value to the sports betting community at some point in future.
    No he doesn't.
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    Could not disagree more. Takes 3-5 years to gut a team and rebuild into a winner. The league is about parity. Damn near every team makes the playoffs. The arenas fill up during the stretch runs to make the playoffs. The first 2 years they will stink but the new will still be on the product. Foley knows exactly what he's doing and now so does McPhee in building this team into a contender. They will need a superstar by year 3. And I'm confident they will have one with the first 2 horrible seasons. He is stocking up draft picks like no new franchise has ever had an opportunity to do. This is a new sport in a new town but many many transplants as well as the tourists. We're talking about filling up the building every night. May very well be like Phoenix when the Wings or Chicago comes to town its more than half vistor fans in he seats that night. You guys are dead wrong about this. The building is damn near sold out for the complete 1st season with only a few 1000 or less for walkups. No other team has had a kick start like this before. The key is the parity in the league. Half the teams make the playoffs. Out of the 16 that don't 10 or more are in the hunt till the last 2-3 weeks of the season and those seats are already sold at that point even if they do not make it. The expansion pool is loaded with b and c quality players. You don't get a superstar till you draft one. He will build this team solid then wait for his Crosby/McDavid to come along and deal some extra picks he has stored up to get him. I could not be more confident you 3-4 guys last chiming in here are dead wrong. Dead wrong. They want to make this team succeed and will do everything possible to make sure that happens. The vetting process to get a team into the league and 10 times what the other leagues need to do to get an expansion franchise. This will be Bettmans baby I can garentee all of you you do not know what you are talking about here. No disrespect to anyone of you here. But you could not be more wrong on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Tuesday night game in December 2022.

    A mediocre Vegas hockey team would draw well against:

    - an original 6 team

    - an East coast team w/ strong fan base. Sabres, Pens, Flyers

    Would be lucky to draw over 12k against:
    - Coyotes, Stars, Blues, Pred, Panthers, Lightning, Hurricanes, Wild, Sens, Devils, Isles

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    The key will be if the team can build a rivalry or draw well against other West Coast teams. LA Kings fan base is pretty solid, and would probably travel.

    Will the Knights draw well against the Flames, Jets, Oilers, Canucks, Avs, Ducks or Sharks? We will see.

    As already mentioned, if the team is mediocre and the opponent is mediocre I think tourists and locals alike would rather spend their $ on an O show or a buffet
    Again. No disrespect Mr. Met. But not one iota of this post will factor into wether this team succeeds or fails. None of it. Its success or failure will be controlled up top and they will not let this franchise fail. Mark my words. If they slump ever so slightly, Bettmans will give then and all star game or an outdoor game or will pull,a rabbit out of his hat to make sure this is a success. Please believe me on this. Did you not see how hard he worked to keep the Arizona franchise afloat and out of the Blackberry owners hands up in eastern Canada. Gary no. 1 priority is to grow the game. It's his speciality. He want teams in all 4 corners of the USA so it it exposed to more and more kids. Kids love hockey and when they grow up and have kids their kids will then love hockey. If he let the Arizona team fail if would have been devestating to his entire theory on continuing to grow this game at a pace no other league has seen before. They are not competing with the NFL like someone else said. They have their own unique game and will market it as such. Do you not remember when he told ESPN to get fucked??? Now how'd that work out for espn? ESPN is in the shitter right now and the NBC sports network put out a much better product and they are flourishing. They aren't laying off at NBC are they? They wanted to bid on the last couple of television packages and he told them to fuck themselves a 2nd time. Multi media is going to grow this game bigger and better than ever. They online media sales of games along with merchandise all adds to the bottom line. The Salary cap is going up,every single year and will only continue to as technology gets better and better for hockey. The Las Vegas Knights will never fold because every single owner is making a profit wether it's thru the turnstiles, the tv packages they sell or the online product they are only getting bigger and better at.

    Again, I could not be more sure of myself on this one. I had the Pens this year to win the cup again this year from a future I bought in December. If I could buy a future ticket right now on all of you in this thread being dead nuts wrong and myself right I would do it in a heartbeat. Not a single owner is losing a nickel this year and won't as long as Bettman runs this league. I could go on with more and prolly will later but that's enough for now. I know the way Bettman operates better than my Wings do. And he's got thee most perfect filthy rich owner here to garentee this works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    clark county 3 million, but only 25000 families make more than 60K. . LV Thunder drew nicely in 1995 but that was still the hockey boom from gretzky. junior hockey participation way down from 20 yrs ago. wranglers fans mostly over 50 yr old transplants tix are less than 20 bucks. its a dennys crowd.
    Even if your numbers are correct about 25,000 no one buys a single ticket. It's either 2-4-6-8-16.......your numbers mean squat. Didn't I hear you or friends of yours own tickets in the 10's or as many at 80? I'm pretty sure that was you bragging that one day in here. And your comparing apples to hand grenades. When your talking about juinior hockey in the United States. Wayne Gretzky on the team or not. He wasn't btw. Lol. The Thunder drew 8000 a night back then and we're one of the poorest draw in the league back then while the Detroit Vipers were drawing 14k every night. Your just pulling numbers out of your ass. That was a pretty cool team though I will give them that with Alexia Yashin, Radek Bonk, the toughest MFer to ever lace up,a pair of skates in Kerry Topprowski and black goaltender Eldon "Pokey" Reddick. I could be wrong but I believe that was one of the strike years where NHL players signed on with IHL teams to stay fit. That year and league was a who's who for future NHL stars before a lot of them hit the big time. Junior hockey participation is now down, it's just moved to areas that are better suited. It's a Dennys crowd! Lol. Where do you come up with this shit Railbird?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushay View Post
    Did you not see how hard he worked to keep the Arizona franchise afloat and out of the Blackberry owners hands up in eastern Canada. Gary no. 1 priority is to grow the game. It's his speciality. He want teams in all 4 corners of the USA so it it exposed to more and more kids. Kids love hockey and when they grow up and have kids their kids will then love hockey. If he let the Arizona team fail if would have been devestating to his entire theory on continuing to grow this game at a pace no other league has seen before.
    So you're saying that just because the Coyotes or Panthers haven't folded yet makes them successful? I don't know the #'s, and maybe their respective owners are making money but those are dead teams IMO. Zero buzz, zero home support, and not much hope for a future turnaround.

    Vegas is similar to those sunbelt markets in that there is little to no youth hockey in Phoenix or Miami.

    Have you ever lived in Vegas Bushay? It's supposed to be 114 degrees this week. Apart from the fact that it's impossible for pond hockey, it's just not part of the sports fabric.

    Yes, there are plenty of East coast transplants like myself that grew up watching and occasionally playing hockey that live in Vegas, but there are plenty of New York transplants that live in Arizona & Miami as well.

    Listen to sports radio this week in Vegas- all about NBA finals, some baseball, some UNLV talk, NFL talk, and ohh yeah the Penguins won the Stanley Cup. And this is the week leading up to our franchise's inaugural draft. A pretty big deal that would've been covered 24/7 in a market like Toronto. Ask a regular sports fan in Vegas if we should draft Roberto Luongo or Marc-Andre Fleury on Wednesday and they'll probably respond with que?


    Once again, I hope I'm dead wrong!! I hope there is a waiting list to get Golden Knight tickets for years to come, and this franchise is a huge success.

    But just because Gary Bettman will pull every stunt in his power to create buzz around this team doesn't mean there will be enough franchise success let alone water in Lake Mead to keep Vegas alive 30 years from now.

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    Good discussion.

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    I thought I would respond to Sol Diablo who asked "how is parking any better at MGM than across the street at T-Mobile?" I just spent $36 spread across three days to park at Mandalay Bay, an MGM property (I had business there related to the fight), so I'm somewhat conversant with the subject.

    For one thing, parking at the MGM will be cheaper (unless the MGM honchos change the rules now in effect). When there's a show at T-Mobile, parking rates increase above what is normally charged at the parking garages closest to the arena. Parking at MGM will save you a buck. Moreover, I'll bet you would find it less of a hassle to get in and out, especially after the event.

    The downside, obviously, is that you will have a long walk. Shucks, it's a long walk from one end of the MGM to the other and you still haven't crossed the street. This doesn't bother me because I still have good wheels and look upon it as healthful exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    clark county 3 million, but only 25000 families make more than 60K. . LV Thunder drew nicely in 1995 but that was still the hockey boom from gretzky. junior hockey participation way down from 20 yrs ago. wranglers fans mostly over 50 yr old transplants tix are less than 20 bucks. its a dennys crowd.
    This is just straight-up, dead wrong. It's not even on the same planet as a halfway accurate number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    So you're saying that just because the Coyotes or Panthers haven't folded yet makes them successful? I don't know the #'s, and maybe their respective owners are making money but those are dead teams IMO. Zero buzz, zero home support, and not much hope for a future turnaround.
    When did I say they were successful? Phoenix is a very unique situation as I mentioned earlier. Please tell me imo why the Coyotes have been unsuccessful. Let me help you. To add to all the team's stadium situation, they haven't put a winner on the ice in 6 years and won a playoff series once in 14 years. Look what they did to that team with their stadium situation. My god. Winning cures everything. They need a competent management crew in there and a new arena. No city is going to support a loser for that long. If the legislature turns down a new stadium, he finally moves them when Seattle has all their ducks in place. A huge blow to Bettman's plan for hockey in all 4 corners. But whose the next closest city to Arizona? They average over 13k paid a night having all that said. Both teams success lies in it's on ice product. Not the weather outside. Here's something I just pulled up on Florida.......Even though the Panthers were upset by the Islanders in the first round of the playoffs after winning the Atlantic Division, the 2015-16 season offered some green shoots. It was the first time the team made the playoffs since 2011-12 and local television ratings, though still the lowest in the NHL, increased 47%. Also, in December, the Broward County Commission gave Panthers owner Vincent Viola $86 million in cash plus a new out clause to escape his arena lease earlier in exchange for the development rights to 140 acres around the arena that Viola transferred back to the county.
    .......No team will have success at the gate without success on the ice.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Vegas is similar to those sunbelt markets in that there is little to no youth hockey in Phoenix or Miami.
    You realize the kid taken first overall last year was from Phoenix right? Arizona had the biggest growth rate in the Rockey Mountain district of all teams in that district at +29% according to the people tracking this for USA hockey in the States. Your just pulling info out of your ass here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Have you ever lived in Vegas Bushay? It's supposed to be 114 degrees this week. Apart from the fact that it's impossible for pond hockey, it's just not part of the sports fabric.
    The don't play hockey outside in the heat. They play it indoors. They don't also play pond hockey in Dallas, Tb, Carolina, LA, Anaheim or SJ. Cept for possibly one of those, they are doing fine. Put a winner on the ice. And they will come.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Yes, there are plenty of East coast transplants like myself that grew up watching and occasionally playing hockey that live in Vegas, but there are plenty of New York transplants that live in Arizona & Miami as well.
    Ok. And?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Listen to sports radio this week in Vegas- all about NBA finals, some baseball, some UNLV talk, NFL talk, and ohh yeah the Penguins won the Stanley Cup. And this is the week leading up to our franchise's inaugural draft. A pretty big deal that would've been covered 24/7 in a market like Toronto. Ask a regular sports fan in Vegas if we should draft Roberto Luongo or Marc-Andre Fleury on Wednesday and they'll probably respond with que?
    A regular sports fan in Vegas knows nothing about what I'm telling right now either. They've sold out the season already in record time. lol. Because you have it in your head this is going to fail cause that's what you've been telling your buddies since this was merely an idea, has little to do with the reality of this. Zero. Sorry.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Once again, I hope I'm dead wrong!! I hope there is a waiting list to get Golden Knight tickets for years to come, and this franchise is a huge success.
    Not sure how many more times I can tell you you ARE dead wrong but that's ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post
    But just because Gary Bettman will pull every stunt in his power to create buzz around this team doesn't mean there will be enough franchise success let alone water in Lake Mead to keep Vegas alive 30 years from now.
    Oh boy..... Sure hope they get those refrigeration units tuned up before the fall, i guess they are going to need them out there in that slush. Has anyone seen the squeegee?

    I don't need to live in Vegas to know this will work Eric. It's already working. You simply have not accepted it yet. But you will. And please remind everyone when that happens who told you first. Unless they are all at the Raiders game.
    Donald Trump is probably one of the most honest people in america right now - mr merlin 06-08-17

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