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    Action wagers price stands if pitching change to Strasburg, he wasn't real clear I'll have to go to the tape. I swear he said anybody who played Nationals action will have the best of it.




    Should get NO ACTION on "Listed pitchers" ---OR--- Adjusted price of opener if action wager

    Also, all totals are listed pitchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownJoe View Post
    Action wagers price stands if pitching change to Strasburg, he wasn't real clear I'll have to go to the tape. I swear he said anybody who played Nationals action will have the best of it.




    Should get NO ACTION on "Listed pitchers" ---OR--- Adjusted price of opener if action wager

    Also, all totals are listed pitchers.
    It only applies to the Dominican sports books...the line does not change....if you bet the Cubs yesterday you are screwed...
    Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viejo Dinosaur View Post
    It only applies to the Dominican sports books...the line does not change....if you bet the Cubs yesterday you are screwed...
    Wow thanks VD - didn't know, these places reputable internet books?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viejo Dinosaur View Post
    It only applies to the Dominican sports books...the line does not change....if you bet the Cubs yesterday you are screwed...




    wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownJoe View Post
    Wow thanks VD - didn't know, these places reputable internet books?
    Nope....they are just Dominican sports books open to clientele that live here....
    Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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    Thanks for that. It's truly amazing a guy who's proclaimed himself as some sort of MLB expert for at least 6 years doesn't know one of the most basic baseball betting rules. I checked Westgate, Billy Hill, and MGM and they all regrade and I would be very surprised if any Vegas book didn't because that's very exploitable. There are occasionally random offshore books/ exchanges that don't regrade bets after a change of pitchers, but that is definitely not the widely available.

    I'd love to know if anywhere in NV doesn't regrade after a change in listed pitchers. I'd be surprised if any didn't regrade because that is very exploitable.

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    Like a good tout, Gill is now backpedaling and claiming on Twitter that he was just referring to "one [unnamed] book here in town that doesn't regrade." Even if such a book does exist, no one would have ever gotten the impression from listening to him that he was referring to a book like that, particularly when books like that are not common knowledge and there are far, far more people who mistakenly think that action bets are action at that price, than people who would understand he was talking about an obscure book that doesn't regrade.

    Of course if the Nats hang on and win, no one will care because they'll be happy they cashed their Nats +100 ticket or whatever price the books regraded at.

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    Several people are claiming he said South Point is the book that doesn't regrade but I didn't hear that in the clip. Maybe I didn't listen long enough. I am pretty sure in the past they did regrade but maybe they changed their rule at some point? I'm not in Vegas so I can't confirm or deny.

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    Used to bet with Rich`s sportsbook in Dominican republic---mid 90s.

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    It puts the player at the mercy of the sportsbook on the regrade. All of a sudden going from a good price which is why the bet was placed to begin with to most likely a crappy price with no value whatsoever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    It puts the player at the mercy of the sportsbook on the regrade. All of a sudden going from a good price which is why the bet was placed to begin with to most likely a crappy price with no value whatsoever!
    Hey Bucky, hope all is well ...snowing there yet?

    Think anybody betting serious cash is listing pitchers, since it is such a large part of the handicap. Also think books would have to put up accurate # (new action price) otherwise they would get bombed on their opener. So I think action wagers are getting a fair price.

    Would have been interesting if one of the VSIN hosts would ask Jimmy, Chris, or Vinny what percentage of the cash of baseball side (totals always listed) wagers are "action". Have to believe it is small, maybe 5%, but only a guess.

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    Few bet serious cash on MLB in Vegas. If Jimmy says a 1k limit would theoretically cover 99% of all bettors in LV then mlb is 99.9%.

    Parlays rule. Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heim View Post
    Few bet serious cash on MLB in Vegas. If Jimmy says a 1k limit would theoretically cover 99% of all bettors in LV then mlb is 99.9%.

    Parlays rule. Truth.
    plus dime lines (or better) probably harder to find in LV vs. offshore. Offshore probably writes 1000's times more action on everything than Vegas.

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    I wonder if VSIN was hacked the past 2 days. I'm listening in my car, and several times the signal was interrupted by a sound of machine guns, lasting around 5 seconds, then back to the regular signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownJoe View Post
    Hey Bucky, hope all is well ...snowing there yet?

    Think anybody betting serious cash is listing pitchers, since it is such a large part of the handicap. Also think books would have to put up accurate # (new action price) otherwise they would get bombed on their opener. So I think action wagers are getting a fair price.

    Would have been interesting if one of the VSIN hosts would ask Jimmy, Chris, or Vinny what percentage of the cash of baseball side (totals always listed) wagers are "action". Have to believe it is small, maybe 5%, but only a guess.
    LOL - it did get down to 21 the other night - which is actually good for the farmers that are combining. The soybeans dry down pretty fast then. No, I did not mean to insinuate the prices would be out of line. But, I would prefer to shop for the best price after the pitching change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownJoe View Post
    Think anybody betting serious cash is listing pitchers, since it is such a large part of the handicap. Also think books would have to put up accurate # (new action price) otherwise they would get bombed on their opener. So I think action wagers are getting a fair price.

    Would have been interesting if one of the VSIN hosts would ask Jimmy, Chris, or Vinny what percentage of the cash of baseball side (totals always listed) wagers are "action". Have to believe it is small, maybe 5%, but only a guess.
    It's funny that Russ Culver, who was paid to post here by the Shrink, used to defend "ACTION" bets. Culver (of the Glantz-Culver line) worked for years for Vaccaro at the Mirage. Culver's arguments were "pitching changes are rare" and "you always get a fair price on the re-grade".

    Of course they are rare, but still somewhat important to the bottom line. Of course, "fairness" is in the eye of the beholder, depends heavily how you handicap the "listed" starting pitching vs the opening price of the re-grade.

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