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    Death or Incarceration.

    Very third world.

  2. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    I'm gonna bow out here @ 1500
    Make the next 400+ count.

    And I agree with you. Chitty ain't what it used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink View Post
    So no job you get sick you die.

    Am I getting that right?

    wrong....you can pay for insurance without having a job.....

    insurance paid by job gives a member 6 months extra...I think...

    ex military everything $50 for how many doctors you can see in VA some stuff is free... meds $5 each... some/checkups doctors free...prior ill/injury free

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Diablo View Post
    To each his own. Bill prefers Canada. It works for him.

    I for one, couldn't imagine living in a place like North Dakota or Wisconsin. Too damn cold. And too think that the most southern parts of Canada are north of that?

    Geez. No bueno.
    Oh brother

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    Javy - Just one simple, honest question. How much total time have you spent outside the United States? I mean actual time involving travel, not time spent on the internet on a .au or .fr site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenGoon View Post
    Javy - Just one simple, honest question. How much total time have you spent outside the United States? I mean actual time involving travel, not time spent on the internet on a .au or .fr site.
    I've been to Canada, Mexico, Australia, England, and I currently reside in the greatest country on earth.

    Baby globalism scum crybabies. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
    I've been to Canada, Mexico, Australia, England, and I currently reside in the greatest country on earth.

    Baby globalism scum crybabies. Sad.
    Lol. Those are countries. Not time ya dope.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushay View Post
    Lol. Those are countries. Not time ya dope.

    Yes, those are countries. Good, little special olympics Bushay.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Diablo View Post
    To each his own. Bill prefers Canada. It works for him.

    I for one, couldn't imagine living in a place like North Dakota or Wisconsin. Too damn cold. And too think that the most southern parts of Canada are north of that?

    Geez. No bueno.
    Quick geography lesson, as much as half of Canada's population lives south of North Dakota's southern most point and that doesn't factor in any of the snowbirds.
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    We saw what happened to Toronto, the only legitimate city in the country. Elected Rob Ford as Mayor. And since they have a decent minority population in Toronto, they do have some crime problems that plague American cities. Only liberals deny or ignore American inner city crime problems.

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    Q) Javy. How much time have you spent outside the USA?

    A) I’ve been to Canada, Mexico, England, Austrailia, I like hamburgers, long walks on the beach, baseball on a cool night...etc.....

    Edit.....Javy...you were asked how much TIME you’ve spent outside of the USA.

    Javy......I don’t like answering those type of questions. So I’m going to spin this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushay View Post
    Q) Javy. How much time have you spent outside the USA?

    A) I’ve been to Canada, Mexico, England, Austrailia, I like hamburgers, long walks on the beach, baseball on a cool night...etc.....

    Edit.....Javy...you were asked how much TIME you’ve spent outside of the USA.

    Javy......I don’t like answering those type of questions. So I’m going to spin this.
    More like I don't have to answer that question because it's none of his business. He can average out a vacation and times it by as many times as he wants to, although I've been to Mexico 4 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
    More like I don't have to answer that question because it's none of his business. He can average out a vacation and times it by as many times as he wants to, although I've been to Mexico 4 times.
    Sure you have

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
    We saw what happened to Toronto, the only legitimate city in the country. Elected Rob Ford as Mayor. And since they have a decent minority population in Toronto, they do have some crime problems that plague American cities. Only liberals deny or ignore American inner city crime problems.
    You must've missed Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary... small igloo gatherings that all hosted Olympic games.

    Rob Ford was the Canadian version of Donald Trump. He was easy and hilarious for foreigners to make fun of, wasn't he?

    Toronto doesn't have a decent minority population, it is a multicultural city. Check it out for Carribana or Greekfest, Salsa on St Clair or Taste of Lawrence. Or go there during the world cup and you'll see how multicultural works.

    Crime problems? Yes, it's a problem that needs a lot of work, by comparison about the size of a bad weekend in Chicago.

    Total homicides
    2015 55
    2016 73
    2017 61

    Since you've traveled to Canada, maybe you can point to an inner city problem area in any of the cities or villages you've visited.
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    Poland and japan doesnt take muslims and both have low crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    Poland and japan doesnt take muslims and both have low crime
    U ever been to a Legia soccer match? They don't do crime, they do organized crime.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...-local-rivals/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenGoon View Post
    You must've missed Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary... small igloo gatherings that all hosted Olympic games.

    Rob Ford was the Canadian version of Donald Trump. He was easy and hilarious for foreigners to make fun of, wasn't he?

    Toronto doesn't have a decent minority population, it is a multicultural city. Check it out for Carribana or Greekfest, Salsa on St Clair or Taste of Lawrence. Or go there during the world cup and you'll see how multicultural works.

    Crime problems? Yes, it's a problem that needs a lot of work, by comparison about the size of a bad weekend in Chicago.

    Total homicides
    2015 55
    2016 73
    2017 61

    Since you've traveled to Canada, maybe you can point to an inner city problem area in any of the cities or villages you've visited.

    This thread was started by an attention whore constantly whining about how bad America sucks but not contributing anything meaningful to the conversation while he talks about how great Canada is.

    If you support his viewpoint, then looks like we're building a good statistical case that everyone from Canada is a complete douche.

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    Tim Horton’s blows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdalert447 View Post
    Tim Horton’s blows.
    Affirmative.

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    Dunkin blows now, too. Their donuts have shrunk over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdalert447 View Post
    Dunkin blows now, too. Their donuts have shrunk over the years.

    maybe so but the donuts still give a person heart problems in the end .

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    Good coffee at McDonald's here in Windsor.

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    Good coffee at McDonald's here in Windsor.


    they do have good coffee... but isn't it the same anywhere with ronald mcDonald ?

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    Doesn't look like Canada really wants the Haitians either.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/w...-haitians.html

    Migrants Fleeing to Canada Learn Even a Liberal Nation Has Limits

    MONTREAL — After fleeing to Montreal from Long Island, Marlise Beauville felt, she said, as if she had reached the Promised Land.
    She entered the country last summer without immigration papers, yet received a work permit, a monthly stipend of 600 Canadian dollars, or $480, free health care and free French lessons. The weather has become bone-cold chilly but her Canadian neighbors are warm.
    Though it is not clear that she will be able to stay, she is hunkering down, adamant that limbo in Canada is better than returning to Haiti, where she fears that the family of her dead husband will kill her. “I won’t — I can’t — go back to Haiti,” said Ms. Beauville, a caregiver from Anse-à-Veau, Haiti, who was visiting a Haitian community center here the other day.

    Ms. Beauville was one of a surge of thousands of Haitian migrants who crossed over the border from the United States to Quebec last summer, spurred by a May announcement by the Trump administration that Haitians would lose their temporary protected status in the United States, granted after the 2010 earthquake that devastated their country.
    The migrants were hoping to benefit from a loophole in a United States-Canada treaty that allowed them to make refugee claims in Canada if they did not arrive at legal ports of entry, but crossed the border illegally.


    But Canadian officials are warning that even liberal Canada has its limits amid concerns, fairly or not, that illegal migration is stretching the immigration system to a breaking point and risks stoking a potential backlash.Canada’s minister of immigration, Ahmed Hussen, himself a former refugee who moved to the country from Somalia when he was 16, said Canada was proud to be a welcoming country but could not welcome everyone. Only about 8 percent of Haitian migrants had received asylum here since the summer, he said, while there is a backlog of about 40,700 cases, according to Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board.“We don’t want people to illegally enter our border, and doing so is not a free ticket to Canada,” Mr. Hussen said in an interview. “We are saying, ‘You will be apprehended, screened, detained, fingerprinted, and if you can’t establish a genuine claim, you will be denied refugee protection and removed.’ ”Canadian immigration officials are once again bracing for a possible influxof migrants heading north. On Monday, the Trump administration announced that it would not be renewing temporary protected status for nearly 200,000 Salvadorans, a humanitarian measure that had allowed them to live and work legally in the United States.On Thursday at a White House meeting, President Trump demanded to know why he should accept immigrants from Haiti and some countries in Africa, which he described in vulgar and disparaging terms. His remarks possibly further unsettled others in the United States already anxious about their precarious status.In what appeared to be an effort to dispel false hope among would-be immigrants and help stem an influx, Pablo Rodriguez, a Liberal member of Parliament who was born in Argentina, will be traveling to Los Angeles next week to meet with members of the Hispanic community there to explain the limits of Canadian asylum policy.On an earlier trip there, he sought to counter false media reports in the Latin American press that he said were suggesting that migrants could travel to Canada, “walk in and stay forever.”Earlier this summer, the government also sent Emmanuel Dubourg, a Liberal Haitian-Canadian member of Parliament from Montreal, to Miami’s “Little Haiti” to spread the word that getting asylum in Canada was difficult. “People come here and realize that this is not the Promised Land and that they could be deported back to Haiti,” he said in an interview.Immigration is a particularly emotional issue in Quebec, a province largely made up of French speakers surrounded by an English-speaking majority, where immigrants are required to send their children to French-only schools. Quebec’s Liberal government recently banned full face-veils in the province in public spaces, arguing that it encouraged the segregation of women.In August, the number of asylum seekers who illegally crossed the United States border into Quebec swelled to 5,530, a majority of them Haitians, according to Canadian government data published that month. In November, that number dropped to about 1,500 people, suggesting that cold weather and the warnings from Canadian officials were having an effect.

    Many of those who travel to Canada avoid the official border, so they can circumvent the Safe Third Party Agreement between Canada and the United States, which requires asylum seekers to apply for refuge in the country where they first arrived.That loophole has created a political headache for the government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, prompting criticism that it is encouraging illegal immigration, even as refugee advocates warn that Haitian migrants could face poverty, violence or worse if they are sent back to Haiti.Mr. Hussen emphasized that Canada was obliged to honor its international commitments under the 1951 United Nations refugee convention, which makes clear that asylum claims should be considered even if those applying use irregular means to enter a country because refugees are, by definition, fleeing persecution.But experts say there are too few judges to adjudicate the backlog of refugee claims, which means that the asylum process for migrants like Ms. Beauville can drag on for as long as two years.“There is a disconnect between Trudeau’s hashtag ‘Welcome to Canada’ and the reality that the system is overwhelmed,” said Michelle Rempel, a member of the opposition conservative party who is the shadow minister for immigration. “It can lead to a nationalist blowback like we have seen in Europe.”Ms. Beauville is undeterred. She said that after her husband died 15 years ago in Haiti, his family threatened her with a machete unless she handed over her inheritance. So she fled to Long Island. There, she eked out a living as a caregiver.Life was not easy in America — she had left her young son with her sister back in Haiti — but at least it was better than living with death threats.When reports that Haitians were going to be deported from the United States began to circulate in the summer, Ms. Beauville once again packed her bags. She left her home in Long Island, boarded a Greyhound bus for Plattsburgh, N.Y., and then took a taxi to an unofficial point along the United States-Canadian border.When an amiable Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer warned her that she would be detained, she had her reply ready: “Please arrest me.”She was detained but not handcuffed.“They asked how much money I had,” she recalled. “They took my fingerprints, and a group of us were then taken to a YMCA for processing. I love Canada because it is an open welcoming country. I feel I receive love here.”In Quebec, which has a small but vocal anti-immigrant far right, the reaction against the newcomers has been relatively muted. After the Haitian migrants began arriving this summer in Montreal, a smattering of protesters picketed near the city’s Olympic Stadium, where some were housed.In a Facebook post, François Legault, leader of the Coalition Avenir Québec, a right-of-center party with growing appeal, wrote that Quebec was already burdened by too many immigrants. He said Quebecers had been “shocked to see the migrants enter, many ignoring the laws, as if there was no border.”Despite such sentiments, Marjorie Villefranche, the director general of La Maison d’Haiti in Montreal, a Haitian community organization, said the migrants had been largely embraced, in part because many Haitians speak French. She said that she did not know of a single case of a Haitian asylum seeker among the recent newcomers who had been deported from Canada, given that the appeal process was lengthy.And while racism exists, she said, much of the animus toward immigrants had been directed at Muslims. The center recently came under criticism, she noted, when it opened its doors to refugees during Ramadan.“The sad truth is that if Haitians were Muslim the reaction would be far different,” she said.Haitians began arriving in Quebec in the 1960s to flee the tyranny of François Duvalier, known as Papa Doc. Today, there is a Haitian member of Parliament, a senator as well as celebrated singers, Uber drivers and doctors.Ms. Beauville hopes to join their ranks, and on a recent day she and her friend Marie Nadege, a fellow migrant, made their way to Haiti House, where a Canadian canoe-making manufacturer had come to recruit workers. As far as they were concerned, Quebec was their new home.“I have nothing in Haiti,” Ms. Beauville said. “No money. No house.”“I keep praying I can stay,” she said.



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    Isn't French the official language of Haiti? Why would she need french lessons in Canada?
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    Isn't French the official language of Haiti? Why would she need french lessons in Canada?
    Good question.
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