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    The 2018 NIT will feature four rules modifications:


    The three-point line will be extended by approximately 1 foot 8 inches to the same distance used by FIBA for international competition (22 feet 1.75 inches).

    The free throw lane will be widened from 12 feet to 16 feet, consistent with the width used by the NBA.

    The games will be divided into four 10-minute quarters as opposed to two 20-minute halves. Teams will shoot two free throws beginning with the fifth foul of each quarter.

    • The shot clock will reset to 20 seconds after an offensive rebound instead of the full 30 second


    Source: NCAA.com

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    Love the four 10-minute quarters.

    Adds an additional layer or two of strategy.

    Should favor teams with heady point guards and coaches who understand how to play the clock.

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    will have 3 iso bad shots instead of 1 with the qtrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    will have 3 iso bad shots instead of 1 with the qtrs

    Love seeing the possible 2-for-1 strategy in college hoops.

    It's one of my favorite areas to watch in the NBA.

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    my favorite time in college basketball was lets see if the team can run 4 corners for 90 seconds without turning it over, that's when college hoop had peak popularity

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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    my favorite time in college basketball was lets see if the team can run 4 corners for 90 seconds without turning it over, that's when college hoop had peak popularity
    It wasn’t popular because of the four corners. It was popular because players stayed 3-4 years.

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    When Dean Smith was running four corners, it was a joke. He had more talent than everyone west of UCLA in the 70’s.

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    How did they make college hoop totals with no shot clock?

    Or did they?

    I'm guessing totals were not popular until the shot clock debuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    How did they make college hoop totals with no shot clock?

    Or did they?

    I'm guessing totals were not popular until the shot clock debuted.
    Maybe they just had totals for the TV games. Can’t remember if there were totals then.

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    Final score from the 1973 college basketball season: Tennessee 11 Temple 6.

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    The NCAA introduced a 45-second shot clock for the men's game in the 1985–86 season, reducing it to 35 seconds in the 1993–94 season and 30 seconds in the 2015–16 season.


    Source: Wikipedia

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    Now eliminate the one-and done rule. that will rid the sport of the AAU scumbags and most of the corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    Now eliminate the one-and done rule. that will rid the sport of the AAU scumbags and most of the corruption.
    aau isn't a problem. there is only about ten 1 and dones, eliminate 3 point line that would make for a better game. most teams do have 4 year players

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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    aau isn't a problem. there is only about ten 1 and dones, eliminate 3 point line that would make for a better game. most teams do have 4 year players
    Yet all of thr problems are with the players who have no intention of staying. If they don’t want to be there,let them go pro. How is a year of college going to help LeBrons kid when he reaches that age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    Final score from the 1973 college basketball season: Tennessee 11 Temple 6.
    This years Pittsburgh team would have had a chance to get shut out in 1973
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    I remember when they played with peach baskets & 3 to make 2 FT's you youngbloods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    Yet all of thr problems are with the players who have no intention of staying. If they don’t want to be there,let them go pro. How is a year of college going to help LeBrons kid when he reaches that age?
    I think it is all about when the player is ready to move up in maturity level. Let's not forget that kids in college play pickup games all fall before the season. The biggest thing college does for the player is it gives the player a year to mature emotionally - 1st year on their own - so to speak - in a softer environment than what pro basketball players exist in. Players kind of get one shot at the pros in many cases and if they are not ready - it is really hard to battle back into the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I think it is all about when the player is ready to move up in maturity level. Let's not forget that kids in college play pickup games all fall before the season. The biggest thing college does for the player is it gives the player a year to mature emotionally - 1st year on their own - so to speak - in a softer environment than what pro basketball players exist in. Players kind of get one shot at the pros in many cases and if they are not ready - it is really hard to battle back into the picture.
    The only reason a kid is leaving after his freshman year is because he has to go for a year. Make a rule that if you commit to college, you have to stay for 2 years. Baseball can draft players out of HS and use college as leverage, let the hoops players. Why have a kid for a year? - all he is doing is working on his pro prospects. That may or may not make your program better. At least if the kid is there two years, you can build a program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    When Dean Smith was running four corners, it was a joke. He had more talent than everyone west of UCLA in the 70’s.
    I remember the old joke, best defense against Michael Jordan was Dean Smith's offense. On another note color guy for Vegas game Dan Dickau (remember him) agreed with the new experimental rules plus wants 24 seconds included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I think it is all about when the player is ready to move up in maturity level. Let's not forget that kids in college play pickup games all fall before the season. The biggest thing college does for the player is it gives the player a year to mature emotionally - 1st year on their own - so to speak - in a softer environment than what pro basketball players exist in. Players kind of get one shot at the pros in many cases and if they are not ready - it is really hard to battle back into the picture.
    LeBron was ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heim View Post
    I remember the old joke, best defense against Michael Jordan was Dean Smith's offense. On another note color guy for Vegas game Dan Dickau (remember him) agreed with the new experimental rules plus wants 24 seconds included.
    Another variation of the same joke.

    Who's the only guy who could keep Jordan under 20 points a game? Dean Smith
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    The 2018 NIT will feature four rules modifications:


    The three-point line will be extended by approximately 1 foot 8 inches to the same distance used by FIBA for international competition (22 feet 1.75 inches).

    The free throw lane will be widened from 12 feet to 16 feet, consistent with the width used by the NBA.

    The games will be divided into four 10-minute quarters as opposed to two 20-minute halves. Teams will shoot two free throws beginning with the fifth foul of each quarter.

    • The shot clock will reset to 20 seconds after an offensive rebound instead of the full 30 second


    Source: NCAA.com

    Like this change. Gives an offensive Re-bounder like yours truly a chance for more triple doubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    Maybe they just had totals for the TV games. Can’t remember if there were totals then.
    I remember back around 2000, it seemed like it was only TV games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    The only reason a kid is leaving after his freshman year is because he has to go for a year. Make a rule that if you commit to college, you have to stay for 2 years. Baseball can draft players out of HS and use college as leverage, let the hoops players. Why have a kid for a year? - all he is doing is working on his pro prospects. That may or may not make your program better. At least if the kid is there two years, you can build a program.
    Open up the "G" League for 17 and 18-year-olds who want cash instead of an education.

    Organize and promote the "G" League so the NBA can introduce "promotion and relegation" like the European soccer leagues, thus solving the problem of tanking.

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    schools that have 1 and done need to be put on probation, then they will stop recruiting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    Love seeing the possible 2-for-1 strategy in college hoops.

    It's one of my favorite areas to watch in the NBA.
    Chris Paul is by far the best at managing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    Chris Paul is by far the best at managing that.

    You would know.

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    Best way to introduce a rule to benefit blue bloods is to let it go unnoticed in NIT then roll it out in mass. Best players go to the best teams. One and done in NCAA Tournament puts Blue Bloods in jeopardy of early exits. Reduce that risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    It wasn’t popular because of the four corners. It was popular because players stayed 3-4 years.



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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    schools that have 1 and done need to be put on probation, then they will stop recruiting them.
    Even better, you use a scholarship on a one and done, you can't use that the remaining 3 years. Same with guys leaving early, if you don't play the full 4 years, that scholarship is not available till the term of your graduating class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    Final score from the 1973 college basketball season: Tennessee 11 Temple 6.
    Temple under Don Casey played the 3-2 Harry Litwack zone. Tennessee (Ray Mears) wouldn't attack it and Casey wouldn't come out of it. Made for a very bad game. There was a game circa 1978 at Duke where Carolina led 5-0 or something at halftime. Dean also tried to hold the ball against UJCLA in the '69 NCAA finals. That didn't work worth a shit. For all the credit he gets, Dean had some very bad ideas.

    Bookies would post totals on NCAA finals and perhaps semis in 1976.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Eagleston View Post
    Temple under Don Casey played the 3-2 Harry Litwack zone. Tennessee (Ray Mears) wouldn't attack it and Casey wouldn't come out of it. Made for a very bad game. There was a game circa 1978 at Duke where Carolina led 5-0 or something at halftime. Dean also tried to hold the ball against UJCLA in the '69 NCAA finals. That didn't work worth a shit. For all the credit he gets, Dean had some very bad ideas.

    Bookies would post totals on NCAA finals and perhaps semis in 1976.
    The Owls off to a very slow start at Tulsa today trailing 23-0 midway thru the first. Harry would not be pleased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Eagleston View Post
    Temple under Don Casey played the 3-2 Harry Litwack zone. Tennessee (Ray Mears) wouldn't attack it and Casey wouldn't come out of it. Made for a very bad game. There was a game circa 1978 at Duke where Carolina led 5-0 or something at halftime. Dean also tried to hold the ball against UJCLA in the '69 NCAA finals. That didn't work worth a shit. For all the credit he gets, Dean had some very bad ideas.

    Bookies would post totals on NCAA finals and perhaps semis in 1976.
    After googling the game, it was Temple which held the ball and Mears who stayed in the zone. Tennessee naturally blamed Temple for refusing to play. It may have been this game that led to the rule that the trailing team had to play -- either move the ball a bit or come out and challenge the offense.

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    Thanks for the history lesson, Don.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    Thanks for the history lesson, Don.
    Memory not as good as I would like to think. More importantly, I wonder how moving the 3 point line will affect scoring. NIT games generally have gone over in recent years. Could be the opposite this year. I agree with Rail that there are too many 3 point shots now. NIT has become an excellent lab for possible rule changes.

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