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    Quote Originally Posted by unluckysob View Post
    I would be willing to lay -115 if I had a legal book within walking distance.
    it sounds nice when you're in a bind for one bet or for the weekend, but -115 over the long run is gross

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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    should have exchanges, lay -105, put lines up on air show deaths, hole in 1 insurance, high school football, city elections
    For the uninitiated, yes, Railbird is dead serious about putting up lines on things like air show deaths.

    No, you can’t make this shit up.

    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    would not want to go to Scumbag casino or racetrack, want stand alone building or bars
    And I’m sure all the state legislatures will take your opinion into account when formulating their plans.

    Quote Originally Posted by FairWarning View Post
    Any doubt that the first state to stiff will
    be Illinois?
    Ha!!!! None whatsoever. I had the same thought a little bit ago and you beat me to it.

    Have they even paid their lottery winners yet? That’s been going on for years now if I recall correctly.

    EDIT: In response to Javy, I suspect most states will be -110. Some states with some combination of onerous taxes and/or ones that agree to the ridiculous integrity fees may go higher. Illinois, Pennsylvania and New York are my 3 top candidates at this point.

    99.5% chance New Jersey and Mississippi are -110.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejd_5277 View Post
    For the uninitiated, yes, Railbird is dead serious about putting up lines on things like air show deaths.

    No, you can’t make this shit up.



    And I’m sure all the state legislatures will take your opinion into account when formulating their plans.



    Ha!!!! None whatsoever. I had the same thought a little bit ago and you beat me to it.

    Have they even paid their lottery winners yet? That’s been going on for years now if I recall correctly.

    EDIT: In response to Javy, I suspect most states will be -110. Some states with some combination of onerous taxes and/or ones that agree to the ridiculous integrity fees may go higher. Illinois, Pennsylvania and New York are my 3 top candidates at this point.

    99.5% chance New Jersey and Mississippi are -110.
    Yes, I believe the lotto winners got paid once Illinois agreed to a state budget.

    The nice thing is I’ll rather be sharp at life than $20 limit bets in HS football, LL baseball, and wanting to bet on airplane crashes. Touts for living are called life coaches. Rail should get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Meatman View Post
    The MeatMan could be moving back down south for football season.


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    Great news for Nevada residents.

    Stop it, Fish.

    Stop it right now.

    (Sarcasm intended)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
    it sounds nice when you're in a bind for one bet or for the weekend, but -115 over the long run is gross


    very true javy

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Meatman View Post
    The MeatMan could be moving back down south for football season.


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    We love football in the south, especially college. Atmosphere in Mississippi casinos would be explosive on a fall Saturday.

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    With some of those SEC rivalries, SOB may be more correct than even he realizes...

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    5Dimes already has an add running on MSN...................!

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    I just found this: you would think they should of had this ready to go. Not sure how long this will take. plus WTF 36% ???

    Gov. Tom Wolf already signed a law regulating sports betting in Pennsylvania, should it become legal at the federal level. The Supreme Court's decision means the state law can now go into effect. Under the law, Pennsylvania would tax sports betting at a 36% rate.
    Regulators aren't saying when sports betting will begin legally in the state. The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board said its staff must first write regulations that the agency's seven-member board must approve.
    The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board issued the following statement:

    "The Gaming Expansion legislation, Act 42 of 2017, did specifically authorize Sport Wagering by the Commonwealth's land-based casinos when a Federal court decision was reached that permits a state to regulate sports wagering. The Board is reviewing the court opinion in its entirety to properly understand the full opinion.
    The Pennsylvania legislature saw Sports Wagering as a key element of overall gaming expansion, and took the initiative prior to this decision to authorize Sports Wagering which does provide some guidelines on implementation. The next step for Pennsylvania would be for our staff to draft appropriate regulations and seek approval of those regulations by the Board. At this time, we cannot provide a timetable on the completion and approval of these regulations or the launch of Sports Wagering in Pennsylvania."



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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    would not want to go to Scumbag casino or racetrack, want stand alone building or bars
    It would be a good idea for shopping malls to regain floor traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBishop View Post
    I just found this: you would think they should of had this ready to go. Not sure how long this will take. plus WTF 36% ???

    Gov. Tom Wolf already signed a law regulating sports betting in Pennsylvania, should it become legal at the federal level. The Supreme Court's decision means the state law can now go into effect. Under the law, Pennsylvania would tax sports betting at a 36% rate.
    Regulators aren't saying when sports betting will begin legally in the state. The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board said its staff must first write regulations that the agency's seven-member board must approve.
    The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board issued the following statement:

    "The Gaming Expansion legislation, Act 42 of 2017, did specifically authorize Sport Wagering by the Commonwealth's land-based casinos when a Federal court decision was reached that permits a state to regulate sports wagering. The Board is reviewing the court opinion in its entirety to properly understand the full opinion.
    The Pennsylvania legislature saw Sports Wagering as a key element of overall gaming expansion, and took the initiative prior to this decision to authorize Sports Wagering which does provide some guidelines on implementation. The next step for Pennsylvania would be for our staff to draft appropriate regulations and seek approval of those regulations by the Board. At this time, we cannot provide a timetable on the completion and approval of these regulations or the launch of Sports Wagering in Pennsylvania."


    In economic classes other than at Cal Berkeley, they would teach that all recreation activities should be taxed at the same rate for max efficiency, and not have government bureaucrats make decisions about what is or isn't a positive activity.

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    Interesting to see what happens in Florida.

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    36%? Doesn’t that read as if the commonwealth hasn’t done its homework and thinks they’re going two fist in on a money grab? At 36% tax, what juice does a book have to offer to secure a margin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBishop View Post
    What the over/under on Monmouth to open its sports book? by this weekend? 2 weeks?
    Also how about Sands in Bethehem PA ? PA past its law in qct of 2017 was just waiting for a change in PASPA. By football season this year?

    Monmouth = 2 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBishop View Post
    I just found this: you would think they should of had this ready to go. Not sure how long this will take. plus WTF 36% ???

    Gov. Tom Wolf already signed a law regulating sports betting in Pennsylvania, should it become legal at the federal level. The Supreme Court's decision means the state law can now go into effect. Under the law, Pennsylvania would tax sports betting at a 36% rate.
    Regulators aren't saying when sports betting will begin legally in the state. The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board said its staff must first write regulations that the agency's seven-member board must approve.
    The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board issued the following statement:

    "The Gaming Expansion legislation, Act 42 of 2017, did specifically authorize Sport Wagering by the Commonwealth's land-based casinos when a Federal court decision was reached that permits a state to regulate sports wagering. The Board is reviewing the court opinion in its entirety to properly understand the full opinion.
    The Pennsylvania legislature saw Sports Wagering as a key element of overall gaming expansion, and took the initiative prior to this decision to authorize Sports Wagering which does provide some guidelines on implementation. The next step for Pennsylvania would be for our staff to draft appropriate regulations and seek approval of those regulations by the Board. At this time, we cannot provide a timetable on the completion and approval of these regulations or the launch of Sports Wagering in Pennsylvania."


    There's a 30% takeout on tris and supers at Parx. Nothing would surprise me there.

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    How great is this for the bettors. Knowing each state is going to have to shade the lines against their local team, someone in Zion Illinois could take the Packers -11 and drive up to Kenosha and get the Bears +15. Built in middles on every state line
    I LET THE DOGS OUT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Allright View Post
    36%? Doesn’t that read as if the commonwealth hasn’t done its homework and thinks they’re going two fist in on a money grab? At 36% tax, what juice does a book have to offer to secure a margin?
    I read this as 36% of profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpottedCow View Post
    How great is this for the bettors. Knowing each state is going to have to shade the lines against their local team, someone in Zion Illinois could take the Packers -11 and drive up to Kenosha and get the Bears +15. Built in middles on every state line
    Depends on the pool it goes into. If Will Hill is running it in both states, I suspect it goes into the common Will Hill pool, same as throughout Nevada. But it'll be fun to see how this all plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifty cint View Post
    Monmouth = 2 weeks



    people just started to camp outside ...they can't wait to bet.

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    Per an @DavidPurdum retweet of an @thehill tweet, Senator Orrin Hatch is to introduce an anti-sports betting bill (which is not a law).

    Can't copy the link quickly on my phone.

    Between the bible thumpers on the right and the nanny staters on the left ("we have to protect the children"), I just wish the government would leave us the fuck alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squarepants View Post
    Per an @DavidPurdum retweet of an @thehill tweet, Senator Orrin Hatch is to introduce an anti-sports betting bill (which is not a law).

    Can't copy the link quickly on my phone.

    Between the bible thumpers on the right and the nanny staters on the left ("we have to protect the children"), I just wish the government would leave us the fuck alone.



    agree SP

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    President Ronald Reagan had it right when he said the government's role should be to protect the people from the people (police, fire, safety issues, scammers etc.); the government's role is not to protect the people from themselves, thus allowing adults to act and move freely.

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    Link to the article about Senator Hatch's proposed bill to regulate sports betting at the federal level:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-supreme-court

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    Orrin Hatch's retirement cannot come soon enough.

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    the decision today came 25-30 years too late for many bettors outside of nevada. Offshore post up still runs it better. More serious bettors will still use solid post up offices. PPH credit will lose some business for sure though down the road.

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    Hatch is from Utah. They would be the last state to offer sports betting. No big deal. I also think you will never see it in Hawaii.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuist View Post
    Hatch is from Utah. They would be the last state to offer sports betting. No big deal. I also think you will never see it in Hawaii.

    very true

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    I think Disney and ESPN will be big winners in this. ESPN's subscriber numbers have been falling the past couple years. Have to believe this could put a stop to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kelly View Post
    President Ronald Reagan had it right when he said the government's role should be to protect the people from the people (police, fire, safety issues, scammers etc.); the government's role is not to protect the people from themselves, thus allowing adults to act and move freely.
    Giving credit to Ronald Reagan for this particular theory of government is ... well, not looking back nearly far enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuist View Post
    Hatch is from Utah. They would be the last state to offer sports betting. No big deal. I also think you will never see it in Hawaii.
    Seems like Hawaii would be a natural fit for casinos.

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    MGM is another. They already have the licenses to operate in New Jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unluckysob View Post
    Seems like Hawaii would be a natural fit for casinos.
    Nope. Against the law. I was there last month and even the cruise ships are forbidden from having gambling in their waters.

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    I'm skeptical since Harrah's still offering me comp rooms in AC for March Madness 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unluckysob View Post
    Seems like Hawaii would be a natural fit for casinos.
    They might want in on the gravy train. Hawaii isn't a Hypocritical Religious fanatic state like Utah. Think they will come around eventually.

    Supreme Court ruling could lead to sports gambling bills in Hawaii Legislature

    By Ferd Lewis
    May 14, 2018
    Updated May 14, 2018 12:40pm


    Bills that would call for legalized sports betting in Hawaii are likely to be introduced in next year’s state legislature in the wake of today’s stunning U. S. Supreme Court ruling, legislators say.
    In striking down key portions of a federal law that had prevented New Jersey and other states from operating legal sports gambling, the Supreme Court has opened the way for states to join Nevada in offering sports wagering in various forms.
    Hawaii is currently one of only two states — Utah is the other — without any form of legalized gambling.
    “I mean, bills do get introduced on a yearly basis of different types of gambling and with this (court decision), I would anticipate more bills being introduced,” Rep. Sylvia Luke, chair of the House Finance Committee, said.
    Senate President Ron Kouchi agreed. “I would think so,” he said in a text message.
    But Luke said, ‘I think it is too premature to say if the Legislature or the public would be in support of it (sports gambling). That is something we would have to gauge.”
    Kouchi said “Beside the general issues, social issues, that are attendant, a lot of people aren’t aware of what federal law permits (for Native American) groups.”

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    Sorry to say but CA is in no hurry. First they have to amend the State Constitution. They have until the end of June to put that on the November ballot. Hearing lobbyist today for the Indian tribes they are not all that excited with low margin sports betting being a priority. It'll will happen but not as fast as others.
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