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    Nebraska governor against it

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    If a state doesn't yet allow casinos or horse or dog racing, like Hawaii, I think its highly unlikely they will be in any rush to pass sports betting.

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    New Jersey says No to betting on NJ NCAA teams.... 10+ years later maybe they will change their minds. Just like Nevada use to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IssaJet View Post
    Giving credit to Ronald Reagan for this particular theory of government is ... well, not looking back nearly far enough.
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    Will Pinnacle allow US customers now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownJoe View Post
    Will Pinnacle allow US customers now?
    Matchbook?
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    Doubt it, because the Feds will still consider money transfer as money laundering, the catchall 9 ways to Sunday for the bastards.

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    The UIGEA is still in force. That was the reason Pinnacle and Matchbook left the US market.

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    I already talked to pinnacle. They said absolutely not. They were my favorite book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuist View Post
    If a state doesn't yet allow casinos or horse or dog racing, like Hawaii, I think its highly unlikely they will be in any rush to pass sports betting.
    This is the only thing that gives me hope of Texas coming around.

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    A state should hire Pinnacle employees as consultants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGuesser View Post
    Depends on the pool it goes into. If Will Hill is running it in both states, I suspect it goes into the common Will Hill pool, same as throughout Nevada. But it'll be fun to see how this all plays out.
    Hopefully that's not the case. Would be nice to have 30 or so outs on a weekend. You could set up a network shopping for lines taking the best each state has to offer. This really has some tremendous potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuist View Post
    Hatch is from Utah. They would be the last state to offer sports betting. No big deal. I also think you will never see it in Hawaii.
    Yeah, UT and HI most anti-gambling states in the Union. Was told by guy that there are some underground poker games in Honolulu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuist View Post
    I think Disney and ESPN will be big winners in this. ESPN's subscriber numbers have been falling the past couple years. Have to believe this could put a stop to that.


    Definitely. If they market it correctly, like having a daily half hour or hour show about the betting opportunities. They have shitty shows about nothing anyway... may as well do something productive. Gotta wonder if they will try to buy out VSIN or the action network...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueline View Post
    Nebraska governor against it

    Sounds like there are still a lot of states against it... I’m lucky to be within 2 hours of 6 different states that will offer it within the next year or so... nj, pa, ny, ct, ri and mass. My current state (ct) should have it going in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenoitPaire View Post
    Definitely. If they market it correctly, like having a daily half hour or hour show about the betting opportunities. They have shitty shows about nothing anyway... may as well do something productive. Gotta wonder if they will try to buy out VSIN or the action network...
    Eat and Bet with The Meatman. Could be simulcast on the Food Network.

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    Mebbe VSiN could buy ESPN . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenoitPaire View Post
    Sounds like there are still a lot of states against it... I’m lucky to be within 2 hours of 6 different states that will offer it within the next year or so... nj, pa, ny, ct, ri and mass. My current state (ct) should have it going in no time.
    Hard to see the forest for the trees. Normalization of gambling is happening, and has accelerated, almost everywhere in America. This has mirrored the waning influence of churches, especially among younger people.

    In Houston right now, there are multiple "legal" poker clubs. They are advertising on radio. One of them is listed under the "food" sign on I-610, the big loop around Houston's city area. These places are operating on the margins of the law by requiring daily membership fees, but they're just really expensive poker rooms at this point. Playing real games. And they're full. This isn't an underground Chinatown game, either. It's within a mile of one of the biggest malls in America. It's across the street from Whole Foods. It has a valet and an off-duty sheriff's works, in uniform, inside the room. My home game in Houston is going away because of it. The game's operator, who has been one of the best in town for a decade, shut down one of his days and talked to me about doing something different soon.

    Casinos are popping up everywhere. Odds and lines are becoming a part of sports commentary in a much more open way. The sports leagues have changed their tune.

    Anecdotally, my formerly hyper-conservative Baptist mother, from South Carolina, who once got so mad at finding my offshore account that she didn't want to talk to me for weeks, called me last November to ask me for picks for a free entry football pool in the local newspaper. She was giddy when she won $50, even though it meant they posted her name as the winner.

    Laws have a way of normalizing things rather than the other way around. Governments are sources of EXTREME authority. Whey they sanction something (or do the opposite), it signals bigly that the something is appropriate. That's why this matters.

    After a couple of years, when ESPN is REALLY talking about betting. And the state next to yours has betting and the world doesn't explode. And people learn that it's ok for people to bet $50 on their favorite team without them turning into Satan, more states will around. It wasn't really all that long ago that this country banned alcohol. Cultures can shift in a hurry, and this one is well on its way.

    Old foagies and cockheads who appeal to old foagies still dominate state legislatures, which was incredibly regressive. But this is changing with every old, close-minded fuck that dies off. The most encouraging thing for the expansion of freedom is that Republicanism on some level is shifting away from religious right domination and Democraticism is shifting away from nanny-stating. Both parties have more of a populist/libertarian strain among the younger adherents.

    I know in South Carolina, the Democratic state senators I might have expected to play the nanny state card are leading the fight for legalized sports gambling, calling out the Republicans there for giving up potential revenue. Sports betting and betting at large has for decades run into resistance because it was like the one area where both parties could find common ground (for different reasons). This is changing, even though it may be hard to see it that way.

    I'm not sure you'll ever see state-legalized sports betting in Utah. But I wouldn't put it past some of the Southern states where the demographics and dynamics are changing. It remains to be seen how "conservatives" respond to issues like this in the future when that generation of conservatives hasn't been brain-washed by shitty churches.

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    Not all that long ago South Carolina had video poker. The goofy looking yellow buildings still dot the state line especially the NC border. Despite its bible thumping reputation SC has been progressive when looking at gambling to replace revenue from the textile industry collapsing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Allright View Post
    Not all that long ago South Carolina had video poker. The goofy looking yellow buildings still dot the state line especially the NC border. Despite its bible thumping reputation SC has been progressive when looking at gambling to replace revenue from the textile industry collapsing.
    I know a guy who spent two years researching places to retire. He checked into everything, except gambling because he didn't gamble. He ended up moving to Greenville SC. I kind of dismissed it due to no gambling possibilities. I may need to re-think it. Cost of living there very, very reasonable but home prices starting to climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valuist View Post
    I know a guy who spent two years researching places to retire. He checked into everything, except gambling because he didn't gamble. He ended up moving to Greenville SC. I kind of dismissed it due to no gambling possibilities. I may need to re-think it. Cost of living there very, very reasonable but home prices starting to climb.
    Options now are lotto. They killed the video poker thing after several years. There is a Harrah’s hundred miles north in NC. Talk of another in NC only an hour drive. Back to the video poker, some of the worst pay tables ever when it was up and running.

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    Looks like Memorial Day the 28th will be the first day.

    I will try to get there and report if I can

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownJoe View Post
    Will Pinnacle allow US customers now?
    Don't think anything has changed there so I'd say no.

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    The legal rules that prompted Pinnacle to cease US operations were unaffected by yesterday's Supreme Court decision.

    After yesterday's decision, states now can legalize sports betting within their respective jurisdictions -- not across state or international lines. That's all the decision changes by holding that PASPA -- not any other federal statute affecting sports betting -- is unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raycabino View Post
    Don't think anything has changed there so I'd say no.
    With BITCOIN coming onto the scene, Pinnacle could have been taking US customers for a long time now... They apparently don't want us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njdave View Post
    Looks like Memorial Day the 28th will be the first day.

    I will try to get there and report if I can


    but who is paying the extra tax NJ wants ? player or book ?

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    Best as I recall, Top, NJ hasn't passed that law with an extra tax as yet.

    So neither.

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    May 28th open for sports
    Monmouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Luca View Post
    May 28th open for sports
    Monmouth
    Place will be PACKED
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    CA they say is a few years away as the issue will have to go to popular vote, then the state will need to get their hands in the mix and f-it-up, so likely 3 years under current conditions, and that is a big stretch, but having starved liberals running CA which needs tax dollars at all cost, look for it to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHHEAD View Post
    Place will be PACKED
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Luca View Post
    May 28th open for sports
    Monmouth
    I never thought that would ever be a reality. Really. Different times today. I love gambling and I love watching sports. Great for us gamblers and fans. It’s so monumental.

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