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    Every year at this time the cowboys and cowgirls hit town. All of a sudden the casino sound systems are no longer piping the Best of Queen onto the casino floors.

    This is one of the two biggest weeks a year we in Las Vegas have for a refreshing change of ambience (or ambiance, as they say in Paris). The other one is the week all the Harley people ride into town.

    A cool, short-lived blast of cultural change once a year.

    First of all, I hate rodeo, and I grew up in Texas. I would like to see the mistreated animals gore Billy Bob into the dirt.

    But my feelings side, there seems like a ton of bets you could make on rodeo that aren't being offered.

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    Default Re: The NFR (National Finals Rodeo) Hits Town Why No Gambling on Rodeo?

    I take it that the NBA AS festivities were not your thang....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heim View Post
    I take it that the NBA AS festivities were not your thang....
    That was a one-time event. And because of that one-time, it ain't coming back.

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    Throw a few betting options at us, besides the over/under on how long they ride the bull. I don't know a thang about the Rodeo.

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    It doesn't matter what the bet is. Bookies, cowboys, ushers have no idea.

    The point is, as a bookie, you can throw up a 30-cent prop on ANYTHING.

    These cowboys may be stiffs at the tables, but they would fall all over themselves when they go to the rodeo with a pocketful of bets..

    I'm not up on the Nevada law. Maybe rodeo is not allowed (because it's too unknown).

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    Never underestimate the laziness of Las Vegas sportsbook operators

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    I did a little research on this--according to what I read the PRCA (Pro Rodeo Cowboys Association) is strongly against gambling and has language to that effect in their bylaws. Supposedly they've received 'assurances' from Nevada bookmakers that they won't take action on rodeo events. As a lot of you know I grew up in Utah and in addition to 'road trips' to Wendover, Nevada for casino gambling we'd frequently travel to Evanston, Wyoming to bet at the Wyoming Downs horse track (along with Wyoming's notoriously easy access to booze). They haven't had live racing for the past few years but this was my first introduction to the sport. Curiously, Wyoming paramutual law at one point allowed betting on 'roping events' (they may still) and there's been some controversy at times at the prospect of expanding betting to all rodeo events. There's a link to an article about such a proposal from 2003 at the bottom of this post.

    I agree with Jeff--there should be plenty of betting options on rodeo but I guess Nevada bookmakers figure that the revenue it would bring in wouldn't be enough to justify it and particularly if it threatened the longstanding tradition of having the NFR in Las Vegas. I sure can't see the 'public' getting too excited over rodeo betting particularly with so many other sports going on at the same time. Personally, I could do without it--I respect the cowboys for being legit tough dudes but the sport itself bores me and mistreating animals for 'entertainment' is a loathsome anachronism I'd like to see go away. Still, the NFR brings a lot of money into town during what is otherwise one of the slowest months of the year for Las Vegas tourism/casinos.

    And like Jeff, I usually find myself cheering for the bull...

    http://trib.com/news/article_ae185481-5145-5d8b-928b-63df0eeb90fb.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Jones View Post
    Every year at this time the cowboys and cowgirls hit town. All of a sudden the casino sound systems are no longer piping the Best of Queen onto the casino floors.

    This is one of the two biggest weeks a year we in Las Vegas have for a refreshing change of ambience (or ambiance, as they say in Paris). The other one is the week all the Harley people ride into town.

    A cool, short-lived blast of cultural change once a year.

    First of all, I hate rodeo, and I grew up in Texas. I would like to see the mistreated animals gore Billy Bob into the dirt.

    But my feelings side, there seems like a ton of bets you could make on rodeo that aren't being offered.
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    Very good point....and in reference to my previous point its easy for them to take the 'moral high ground' to keep the rodeo honchos happy when it means less work for them.

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    I've also wondered why there's no betting on pro bowling events. I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to set lines and O/U prices on the event and it doesn't seem much different than betting on darts (which is a staple of European facing sportsbooks). Bowling has also had a long relationship with Nevada--for a long time the Showboat was one of the big bowling venues and Reno has tried to make itself into a pro bowling destination in recent years. Maybe the PBA has a similar 'arrangement' with Nevada books...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smith View Post
    Never underestimate the laziness of Las Vegas sportsbook operators
    bingo, they are fukkin useless. Wanted to puke when JK trotted out 5 of them in a row 1 week.

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    why wouldnt Orleans put up $100 max lines, most people bet less than that, for fun and entertainment basically for the minor league pro hockey team THAT PLAYS IN ORLEANS ARENA?

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    I just looked up the relevant Nevada gaming regulations--in theory, I don't see any reason why rodeo *wouldn't* be allowed for betting. The term the regulators use is 'athletic sporting event'--books can accept wagers on any such event with a few limitations (eg: high school sports).

    There is this regulation which may be applicable to the NFR:

    (d) Any event, regardless of where it is held, involving a professional team whose home field, a
    court, or base is in Nevada, or any event played in Nevada involving a professional team, if, not
    later than 30 days before an event or the beginning of a series of events, the team’s governing
    body files with the commission a written request that wagers on the event or series of events be prohibited, and the commission approves the request
    Maybe the PRCA falls under the definition of a 'governing body' and can request prohibition of betting on their events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smith View Post
    why wouldnt Orleans put up $100 max lines, most people bet less than that, for fun and entertainment basically for the minor league pro hockey team THAT PLAYS IN ORLEANS ARENA?
    that was when Don Williams was in charge. Now they have scucci who learned under Lupo. Lupo favorite word is NO.

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    I loved it the one year when the bull Bodacious stomped the cowboys head like an eggplant.

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    Here's an article from 1997 about Leroy's short lived plan to take action on the NFR. The PRCA told them inxnay and they complied:

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1997...e-no-wagering/
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    Quote Originally Posted by railbird View Post
    I loved it the one year when the bull Bodacious stomped the cowboys head like an eggplant.
    I was there - 6 rows behind the bull chutes. He had a power move where he got up in the air and came down which drew the cowboy forward and then came back up and broke faces. They even wore hockey masks for protection.

    Tuff Hedeman had his face busted up earlier in the year and then drew him at the NFR. I could see scars on his face and he was as white as a sheet. First time I have ever seen it but he did not try to ride him and grabbed the chute on the way out. He could not refuse to ride him but it was legal to protect himself the way he did.

    He broke a different riders face later that week and then I think he was retired that year.

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    One contributing factor might be that the visiting cowboys know a helluva lot more about rodeo than whoever might be setting the lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discreet Cat View Post
    One contributing factor might be that the visiting cowboys know a helluva lot more about rodeo than whoever might be setting the lines.
    I don't think that would scare any bookie away. Rodeo fans are great for Las Vegas. Respectful, clean, non-disruptive, even in times of total drunkeness. But I don't think they have any special insight that scares a bookmaker, no more than the guy who wears his Cowboy jersey on Sunday is feared at the betting window when he takes the Cowboys.

    Next time JK has a bookmaker on the show, maybe he can ask him what the deal is with rodeo and gambling.

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    Well, 15 performers in each event. The odds would be like a nascar race. Possible matchups I guess. No reason offshore could not do it. Good question - I have gone every other year or so for the last 20 years and have often though about it. Just not sure how predictable it would be.

    In the riding events - half of the score comes from the horse or the bull the cowboy rides. If the horse doesn't buck well it does not matter how good the cowboy is. That being said - the odds could not possibly be set until the draws were made available.

    To a lesser extent - calves and steers for roping and wrestling may be different in difficulty.
    Even, the barrel racers might choose to ride a different horse once in a while.

    So, based on that - my best answer is that the odds are so dependant on the assignment of what horse, bull, is assigned to what cowboy and I am not sure how much time a cowboy has to scout - study the animal he draws. During the season, cowboys sign up for a lot of rodeos and when the time comes if they don't get a good draw they don't even show up.

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    Default Re: The NFR (National Finals Rodeo) Hits Town Why No Gambling on Rodeo?

    Probably the best answer is that Pinnacle puts up nothing rodeo so what are the local geniuses supposed to copy?

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    Default Re: The NFR (National Finals Rodeo) Hits Town Why No Gambling on Rodeo?

    The same thing happened when the NBA All-Star game was in Vegas. Casinos agreed not to post lines on the game. I can't imagine why.

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