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  • #41
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    My dad know Bob Martin. They were good friends. I was fortunate enough to know Lefty Rosenthal on a first name basis. That man know more about sports wagering than any other man I have ever known, and that includes some of todays biggest "touts". Ofcourse it was a lot easier to make a buck back in those days. Unfortunately, I knew his buddy, Tony Spilotro a lot better, but that is another story. Have you ever seen Tony's kid? He looks nothing like Tony or his mom. I also liked the Barbery Coast. Loved the old sportsbook. They were one of the last to use the old board, instead of going computer.
    "Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George Patton. I win because I make the other dumb bastard lose. In gambling and in life.

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    • #42
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      Were any of you guys in Vegas the night that Steve Wynn opened the Treasure Island by taking the old Dunes Hotel down? What a show.
      "Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George Patton. I win because I make the other dumb bastard lose. In gambling and in life.

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      • #43
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        Originally posted by Junkyarddog47 View Post
        Were any of you guys in Vegas the night that Steve Wynn opened the Treasure Island by taking the old Dunes Hotel down? What a show.

        I was a couple of blocks away and watched it on TV.

        Not into the big crowds.

        New Years fireworks the same thing.

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        • #44
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          Cool stories... Thanks for sharing...

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          • #45
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            Originally posted by Junkyarddog47 View Post
            My dad know Bob Martin. They were good friends. I was fortunate enough to know Lefty Rosenthal on a first name basis. That man know more about sports wagering than any other man I have ever known, and that includes some of todays biggest "touts". Ofcourse it was a lot easier to make a buck back in those days. Unfortunately, I knew his buddy, Tony Spilotro a lot better, but that is another story. Have you ever seen Tony's kid? He looks nothing like Tony or his mom. I also liked the Barbery Coast. Loved the old sportsbook. They were one of the last to use the old board, instead of going computer.
            They also had what I knew as one of the top steak joints downstairs. I never got there, but heard it was all that, and some.

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            • #46
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              If we ever have a bash i am drinking beers with the posters in this thread. Great stuff.


              Mr300 thanks for the link of old casinos.

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              • #47
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                I'll read excerpts of this thread to Jimmy Vaccaro tomorrow on "Winning Wednesdays." Jimmy considers Scotty Schettler a friend and mentor.

                Viejo can trade stories with Scotty. Impressive, very impressive.

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                • #48
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                  My very first job in Las Vegas was driving a beer truck for the Miller Company (Bonanze Beverage)...there was no interstate that surrounded the town and the main streets were Sahara, Flamingo, Charleston, and Tropicana...you could get from one end of town to the other in 15 minutes...the quicker I got done my route for the day, the more time I could spend in places like the Rose Bowl, Gary Austins, or Palace Station...or any of the local joints, bars, or sportsbooks....

                  One of my stops on the route was a little place called Gallos on Paradice off Flamingo...I walked in and gave the invoice to a man who looked exactly like Willie Nelson...He was on the phone and talking point spreads with the guy on the other end...also in the joint was a guy named Jack Moore and a guy named Hershey...Hershy was also on a phone and talking point spreads...I put two plus two together and knew this was the place to be...

                  So I decided to spend my lunch hour there and shoot the shit with these guys...in the hour I was there, 6 or 7 guys came in but never ordered lunch or a drink, but instead exchanged brown paper bags with each other...

                  For some reason Frankie Masterana took a liking to me and we talked sports and gambling all the time...even invited me to his house a few times on Ottawa Drive, right on the Sahara Country Club...his wife Stella was a very gracious lady and I enjoyed their company...his kid, Frankie Jr. was not really the perfect son and soon after I met him, Jr. made the mistake of putting an arrow through Donna the Duck on the golf course...this outraged the Las Vegas community and he was bought up on charges...soon after, Frankie was paralyzed from the waist down after a cliff diving session in Mexico...a lot of people said it was justice for shooting Donna the Duck....(I didn't buy that)

                  After that Frankie (who was in the black book) asked me to help him on the weekends in his office on Spring Mt. called "Right Side Sports"...located between the Don Best office run by Al Corbo and Jasper's line service office...Frankie had customers who I would give nothing but rundowns on the spreads for the weekend games...I sometimes had 3 guys at the same time giving rundowns to and then I would transfer them to Frankie if I was asked to...didn't take me long to figure out he was taking action and laying off action...and you should have seen the traffic coming in and out of his office back then.....met a lot of the name gamblers back then, guys like Buzzy White, Dickie Stevens, Doc Stevens, the Spilotro Brothers, Jasper, The Swamper, Speedy Newmann, and a host of others...

                  This was where I got my first offshore job...The Cigar walked in one day and saw me giving lines out on the phone...He immediately asked me if I wanted to work for him in the Dominican Republic and could I be ready to leave in two weeks...I was going through a divorce at the time and said sure...I knew that the DR was in the Carribean but didn't know exactly where...so I packed my bags and that was my introduction to Offshore....(and to Steak TarTar who was the Lines manager down there)

                  More about Frankie M. later....
                  Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                  • #49
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                    Frankie spent a ton of time in the custody of the government hotels around the country...so he has never had an affection for the men in blue or any person with authority...Being the local character that he was, Las Vegas Metro didn't take too kind to him and the feeling was likewise...

                    I was with Frankie in his red mercedes convertible one Sunday morning on the way to his office on Spring Mountain...we had the top down and it was around 8:00 AM...we passed through the intersection of Spring Mt and Koval Lane and a metro unit stops him for running a red light..to this day, I would swear that it was yellow....Frankie pulls over and says to me.."watch this." The officer comes up to the car and says license and registration please Mr. Masterana...

                    Frankie's reply...."Fuk you, you cocksucker, the light was yellow and tell your boss the fuking light was yellow"

                    The metro officer gave Frankie a ticket anyway and said have a great morning...Frankie said.."Fuk your morning and your girlfriend"
                    LVPD loved to screw with him and Frankie loved to give them shit right back...
                    Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                    • #50
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                      One more short story...back then, Monday was always the end of the week....

                      Frankie always had figures for the losers on Tuesdays...

                      For the guys with winning weeks he always said "Figures will be up soon"
                      Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                      • #51
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                        The best thing about Churchill Race and Sports was that you only had to hop a three foot wall to go to the Alladin where I could cash a check for 100$ then back to CD to play horses plus the 10% tax they charged. If I looked through some junk I could probably find one of the post cards that they had that had a picture of a monkey with a funny quote about playing the horses!! Might be worth a few dollars on ebay!! Also was in there before I turned 21 and one of the writters yelled out "Jimmy, telephone call". There sitting right in front of me was Jimmy "the Greek" Snyder during they hey day of CBS. The only thing that seperated the race and sports was a small sliding wooden door. I remember that they only had 4-5 theater seats in the Sports book and of course it was the race recreations from Del mar and then waiting 30-40 minutes for the results to be made official. If you were down to your last duece you really had to plan your betting... Scotty S was writting tickets and after I moved to Nevada in 77 he went to work for Warren nelson at Cal Neva. I think Scotty S was the first to introduce half time betting on college BB. No one else would here in town Roxy was living in a van before LVSC and betting and a guy that I can only remember as "Bruce" was the best college BB handicapper I have ever seen. Youcould even make money after he hammered the half time lines.

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                        • #52
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                          This guy was a real character from Vegas. Had a lot of fun with Sam.

                          http://www.cardplayer.com/cardplayer...6759-sam-angel
                          Look closer at my avatar pic and you will see a young Fishhead in front of Flamingo circa 1981

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                          • #53
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                            Quick excerpt

                            Another time, I walked into the Mirage and saw Sam. "How you doin', Sam?" I rhetorically asked. Wrong question. He went into a tirade about how he was being evicted from his condo in the Regency Towers.

                            When I inquired why, he said, "That f-----g c---sucker! I paid rent for seven years straight. Then when I missed two, he goes crazy and wants to throw me out on the streets after what a good tenant I been!"

                            "He's throwing you out after you missed two months?" I asked.

                            "No, two years," replied Sam, as if his landlord was totally out of line.
                            Look closer at my avatar pic and you will see a young Fishhead in front of Flamingo circa 1981

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                            • #54
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                              looks like scotty is working up to another book----love the old stories

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                              • #55
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                                Sam Brown was a fixture at the Olympic Gardens for awhile selling his jewelry...he once said told me that if I cut down on the lap dances, he would give me a discount on some nice earrings for the lady...
                                Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                                • #56
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                                  I remember when I was working for Frankie and we got pinched by the Feds, and Frankie told them he sold Sports information he wasn't a bookie and also told them to go fuck themselves... Frankie could handle a deck of cards too... the stories this man told me were almost unbelieveable... Frankie scared me to death so many days driving to work, if you wanted to get frightened hop in the car with Frankie behind the wheel... it was me and I believe 7 other clerks that were clerking for him, lucky me I had 2 phones to answer at all times one in each ear.........

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                                  • #57
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                                    I remember those old days. First trip to Vegas was 1969 when I won a contest that sent me to Caesers. I remember riding up the strip and seeing those stand alone sports books like the Rose Bowl.

                                    So who opened the first sports book inside a casino in Vegas? My guess would be the Union Plaza downtown.

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                                    • #58
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                                      Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                                      I remember when I was working for Frankie and we got pinched by the Feds, and Frankie told them he sold Sports information he wasn't a bookie and also told them to go fuck themselves... Frankie could handle a deck of cards too... the stories this man told me were almost unbelieveable... Frankie scared me to death so many days driving to work, if you wanted to get frightened hop in the car with Frankie behind the wheel... it was me and I believe 7 other clerks that were clerking for him, lucky me I had 2 phones to answer at all times one in each ear.........
                                      He used to be a Pharroh dealer in his day...
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                                      Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                                      • #59
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                                        Would love to make a documentary while some of the old timers are still around. Get them all together for dinner and drinks and roll the camera. I'm sure you would get some great stories.

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                                        • #60
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                                          good idea on the documentary.Most people only know Vegas as it is today. Would be a cool retro nostalgia trip for the ole timers.And a history lesson for the rest.

                                          So many stories,It would be hard to cut it down to 2 hours though.

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                                          • #61
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                                            Loved the book Scottie

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                                            • #62
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                                              Originally posted by Viejo Dinosaur View Post
                                              Anybody remember Frank Masterana? Any good stories?

                                              Hitting the sack now...will have a write up about him tomorrow....
                                              FM passed a couple years ago, but his wife & son took over and are very sucessful. They deserve it, his son is wheelchair bound.


                                              I remember one day at the Royal. I hear a commotion and come out and Frankie Eyelash has FM in a headlock and is pounding his head, pony tail included, with a long neck beer bottle. Guess who owed who.

                                              FM was a Willie Nelson look alike.

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                                              • #63
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                                                Originally posted by Junkyarddog47 View Post
                                                I liked the Rose Bowl and Churchill Downs Sports Book. Those days in Vegas were the Golden Days. Hotel rooms were cheap. Women were readily available. Booze and smokes were free. Food was very cheap. Vegas was run by people who knew how to run a gaming operation, not by a bunch of cooperate hogs who only care about a bottom line.
                                                Comps aplenty with no strings attached.

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                                                • #64
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                                                  Originally posted by High Times View Post
                                                  The Banking Mafia stole these Casinos and have run Las Vegas into the ground with their greed.

                                                  Fucking assholes
                                                  The reason I lasted so long was I ALWAYS worked for a single owner who booked with his own br, didn't sweat and let me do my job. No such situations in LV now.

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                                                  • #65
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                                                    amazing how much can get done and without all the stress when people are allowed to do their jobs.
                                                    its a simple concept,but I'm amazed how little it actually is implemented.

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                                                    • #66
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                                                      Originally posted by Junkyarddog47 View Post
                                                      Absolutely. Howard Huges was the beginning of the end of Vegas for we old timers. It has just gotten worse and worse ever since.
                                                      He bought The Desert Inn and took over the whole eigth floor. He then bought Channel 8 so he could tell them which movies to put on so he could watch them. I think he ended up with eight hotels but could be wrong.

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                                                      • #67
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                                                        Originally posted by Viejo Dinosaur View Post
                                                        Only at the Sands Hotel and Caesars Palace....
                                                        Remember the All In The Family episode with Sammy Davis and his glass eye? I got the first six seasons on DVD for Christmas this year.

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                                                        • #68
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                                                          Originally posted by Viejo Dinosaur View Post
                                                          Silver Slipper boxing events...
                                                          Second floor, so smokey your eyes watered. All club fighters. Miss it dearly.

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                                                          • #69
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                                                            Originally posted by Viejo Dinosaur View Post
                                                            Outstanding property...

                                                            Funniest thing I ever saw there was the time they removed a crap table from the floor after one night of continuous winning hands....carried it right off the floor....
                                                            A mobbed up joint, no more left in LV(?). I got my daughter comped in The Presidential Suit for her wedding night 20 yrs ago. It was 900$ a night then.

                                                            Remember the sports book out back by the door?

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                                                            • #70
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                                                              saw a few people have actual vintage tables from the old places in their homes now.

                                                              pretty cool all the history and stories they could tell.

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                                                              • #71
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                                                                Originally posted by unluckysob View Post
                                                                I remember when the hotels didnt have sportsbooks. You had to leave the property. Castaways, Churchhill Downs, Gary Austins, Leeroys. numbers were hand written on a board. Ive still got some hand written tickets. Think my favorite book was Barbary Coast.
                                                                Santa Anita, Bill Darks, Hollywood, The Paddock, The Derby. They went into the hotels in 76', first was The Union Plaza and then the first strip property was in The Stardust.

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                                                                • #72
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                                                                  This slow site is making me goofy.

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                                                                  • #73
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                                                                    Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                                                                    Union Plaza in the early 1980's, me and a friend of mine went...he knew the manager and we had everything compted..
                                                                    First LV hotel to put in a R&S book in 1976. The mgr on your visit was probably Johnny Quinn(?).

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                                                                    • #74
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                                                                      Originally posted by cheapseats View Post
                                                                      Downtown was better without the enclosure, I remember having to see the roof light show for the first time, but the character of Downtown lost some.
                                                                      Some genius college graduate, marketing type must have thought up the Freemont Street Experience. Went to too much college and not enough highschool probably. Ruined Downtown as far as I'm concerned. Now it's no more than a carny midway. I remember two way traffic Downtown, kids cruising on weekend nights. It was great, it was real.

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                                                                      • #75
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                                                                        if I had the Back to the Future car Id definitely go back to the early Vegas days.

                                                                        I'd probably come back smelling like smoke but I'd have a ton of stories to tell.

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                                                                        • #76
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                                                                          Originally posted by Junkyarddog47 View Post
                                                                          My dad know Bob Martin. They were good friends. I was fortunate enough to know Lefty Rosenthal on a first name basis. That man know more about sports wagering than any other man I have ever known, and that includes some of todays biggest "touts". Ofcourse it was a lot easier to make a buck back in those days. Unfortunately, I knew his buddy, Tony Spilotro a lot better, but that is another story. Have you ever seen Tony's kid? He looks nothing like Tony or his mom. I also liked the Barbery Coast. Loved the old sportsbook. They were one of the last to use the old board, instead of going computer.
                                                                          From my book:

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                                                                          • #77
                                                                            Re: Las Vegas before.....

                                                                            Originally posted by Junkyarddog47 View Post
                                                                            My dad know Bob Martin. They were good friends. I was fortunate enough to know Lefty Rosenthal on a first name basis. That man know more about sports wagering than any other man I have ever known, and that includes some of todays biggest "touts". Ofcourse it was a lot easier to make a buck back in those days. Unfortunately, I knew his buddy, Tony Spilotro a lot better, but that is another story. Have you ever seen Tony's kid? He looks nothing like Tony or his mom. I also liked the Barbery Coast. Loved the old sportsbook. They were one of the last to use the old board, instead of going computer.
                                                                            Also from my book:

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                                                                            • #78
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                                                                              Originally posted by Almost Allright View Post
                                                                              If we ever have a bash i am drinking beers with the posters in this thread. Great stuff.


                                                                              Mr300 thanks for the link of old casinos.
                                                                              Tough crowd to round up. Some of us are in the Witness Protection Program and the rest are hiding from our shylocks

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                                                                              • #79
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                                                                                Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
                                                                                I'll read excerpts of this thread to Jimmy Vaccaro tomorrow on "Winning Wednesdays." Jimmy considers Scotty Schettler a friend and mentor.

                                                                                Viejo can trade stories with Scotty. Impressive, very impressive.
                                                                                I'd rather trade br's with Viejo.

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                                                                                • #80
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                                                                                  Id rather trade locations with VD.

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