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    Good stuff, Scotty. Thanks for taking the time.

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      Lefty had a unique talent. He could spot a winner a mile away. I remember once walking thru the Stardust Casino with him. We walked up to a crap table, and there was this girl rolling the dice. Lefty knew tht this was not going to be good for the house. He just knew it. That little girl held the dice for over 27 minutes. While she had no clue as to how to play the game, everyone around her did. She just kept hitting numbers. When she would roll a "natural", it was alwasy on the come out roll. Lefty knew that she was going to get red hot. He also knew that most of the gamblers would give every cent back, and thensome, because they thought the table was hot, and not the roller. After the gal crapped out, the table went ice cold, as all tables do. The table recovered most of it's losses within 10 minutes. This is why Lefty was so good. He knew the odds. He realized that craps, like any other game, was a series of streaks. He knew that very few players had enough sense to "hit and run". He was a little irked at me, because I picked up my chips and moved on after she crapped out, but I was the only one who did so.
      "Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George Patton. I win because I make the other dumb bastard lose. In gambling and in life.

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        Originally posted by Junkyarddog47 View Post
        Lefty had a unique talent. He could spot a winner a mile away. I remember once walking thru the Stardust Casino with him. We walked up to a crap table, and there was this girl rolling the dice. Lefty knew tht this was not going to be good for the house. He just knew it. That little girl held the dice for over 27 minutes. While she had no clue as to how to play the game, everyone around her did. She just kept hitting numbers. When she would roll a "natural", it was alwasy on the come out roll. Lefty knew that she was going to get red hot. He also knew that most of the gamblers would give every cent back, and thensome, because they thought the table was hot, and not the roller. After the gal crapped out, the table went ice cold, as all tables do. The table recovered most of it's losses within 10 minutes. This is why Lefty was so good. He knew the odds. He realized that craps, like any other game, was a series of streaks. He knew that very few players had enough sense to "hit and run". He was a little irked at me, because I picked up my chips and moved on after she crapped out, but I was the only one who did so.
        So true. The key to a sucessful gambling joint. He didn't sweat.....

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          Originally posted by Scotty S View Post
          So true. The key to a sucessful gambling joint. He didn't sweat.....

          But very few people actually believe this....

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            Only beancounters sweat and think they may never get it back...
            Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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              Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
              I remember the oohs and aahs at the old Stardust Race and Sports Book when Oklahoma played Kansas in the 1988 NCAA men's basketball title game. Oklahoma was as high as an 8.5-point favorite in the game, but then the late money started pouring in on Kansas. I distinctly recall three line moves off the old Stardust board in the final hour of wagering: from OU -8.5 to -8 to -7.5 to -7. The money was on the right side as KU upset OU, 83-79. Danny Manning carried his team to victory with 31 points and 18 rebounds. Always loved the nickname, "Manning and the Miracles."
              In 1988, I had a small "group" in Vegas who followed me on Big Eight and Southwest Conference basketball games. I can honestly say without a doubt that we beat Billy to the +8.5 ane some +9 that Monday. I was in the stands at Kemper Arena watching my alma mater lose that night. The first half(50-50) might be the best half in NCAA basketball final history. Larry Brown used his whole bench that first half and it paid off. Kansas was a #6 seed who caught fire and played the final two games(Duke--semi-final) at home(38 mile drive). I had a good feel that the Arizona(Steve Kerr-Sean Elliott) game took a toll on OU. Billy Tubbs refused all season to use his talented depth. It caught up with him that night. The next day I left for Augusta where I had Sandy Lyle(26-1 ??) to win the Masters. It was quite a week to say the least.

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                Scotty, I work with a guy that knows you well and was working for Roxy back then.. is initials are S K. he's good people and he spoke very highly of you, he did say sometimes you was a little hard on him and you fired Roxy 3 or 4 times......... he said you are as HONEST as they come in this BUSINESS.... if you can't figure out the initials I will pm you... what a pleasure it is to be working with good people like this guy is, we get along as good as it gets, we both have a lot of respect for each other, last night was a prime example, I could see BW set a few games up last night and he agreed with me once I pointed to him what took place, but anyway its a small world.

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                  Originally posted by newport2 View Post
                  In 1988, I had a small "group" in Vegas who followed me on Big Eight and Southwest Conference basketball games. I can honestly say without a doubt that we beat Billy to the +8.5 ane some +9 that Monday. I was in the stands at Kemper Arena watching my alma mater lose that night. The first half(50-50) might be the best half in NCAA basketball final history. Larry Brown used his whole bench that first half and it paid off. Kansas was a #6 seed who caught fire and played the final two games(Duke--semi-final) at home(38 mile drive). I had a good feel that the Arizona(Steve Kerr-Sean Elliott) game took a toll on OU. Billy Tubbs refused all season to use his talented depth. It caught up with him that night. The next day I left for Augusta where I had Sandy Lyle(26-1 ??) to win the Masters. It was quite a week to say the least.
                  kemper arena---what a dump

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                    Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                    Scotty, I work with a guy that knows you well and was working for Roxy back then.. is initials are S K. he's good people and he spoke very highly of you, he did say sometimes you was a little hard on him and you fired Roxy 3 or 4 times......... he said you are as HONEST as they come in this BUSINESS.... if you can't figure out the initials I will pm you... what a pleasure it is to be working with good people like this guy is, we get along as good as it gets, we both have a lot of respect for each other, last night was a prime example, I could see BW set a few games up last night and he agreed with me once I pointed to him what took place, but anyway its a small world.
                    Know him well and I can vouch for every good word you said about him. He's top shelf.

                    I fired Roxy and always hired him back. Kinda silly now that years are between us and I can look back. Roxy is my friend and we have had correspondence a few times over the years. Roxy had a hard job to do and did it VERY well, even after I thrust the Added Games to his workload. Tell SK hello for me and ask him how his dogs are.

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                      Originally posted by newport2 View Post
                      In 1988, I had a small "group" in Vegas who followed me on Big Eight and Southwest Conference basketball games. I can honestly say without a doubt that we beat Billy to the +8.5 ane some +9 that Monday. I was in the stands at Kemper Arena watching my alma mater lose that night. The first half(50-50) might be the best half in NCAA basketball final history. Larry Brown used his whole bench that first half and it paid off. Kansas was a #6 seed who caught fire and played the final two games(Duke--semi-final) at home(38 mile drive). I had a good feel that the Arizona(Steve Kerr-Sean Elliott) game took a toll on OU. Billy Tubbs refused all season to use his talented depth. It caught up with him that night. The next day I left for Augusta where I had Sandy Lyle(26-1 ??) to win the Masters. It was quite a week to say the least.
                      Thanks for more details of the OU-KU game. I did not realize OU had nothing left after the win over Arizona. Interesting.

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                        Bump....we need more war stories about Vegas....
                        Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                          Great thread....thanks for the memories.
                          ​STAY FOCUSED

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                            It sure ain't the old Vegas now. Cantor has been buying up several books in town and has built downright jaw-dropping, impressive structures. But those books are dead. I have no idea what they are thinking. At the Trop, maybe three old-guy horse players and a couple of air traffic controllers dozing off. The English have bought CalNeva and Leroys. Riviera is kicking Leroys out ahead of the move and putting in Luckys.. Why? We don't have enough Lucky's?

                            (The Riviera and Planet Hollywood and Cosmopolitan have got to be the three worst parking beatings to place a bet in Las Vegas).

                            As the consolidation continues, we are heading toward five outs in town.

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                              Originally posted by Jeff Jones View Post
                              It sure ain't the old Vegas now. Cantor has been buying up several books in town and has built downright jaw-dropping, impressive structures. But those books are dead. I have no idea what they are thinking. At the Trop, maybe three old-guy horse players and a couple of air traffic controllers dozing off. The English have bought CalNeva and Leroys. Riviera is kicking Leroys out ahead of the move and putting in Luckys.. Why? We don't have enough Lucky's?

                              (The Riviera and Planet Hollywood and Cosmopolitan have got to be the three worst parking beatings to place a bet in Las Vegas).

                              As the consolidation continues, we are heading toward five outs in town.

                              ​STAY FOCUSED

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                                Wait until they take casino space away from these sportsbooks....
                                Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                                  Losing Cal-Nevada is a bummer....losing the Leroy's contests would suck.

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                                    Thanks Kinger. All the knucklehead stuff aside..which i am a big fan of...i have always felt this was the best thread.

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                                      Definitely a great read. I read it over the weekend.

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                                        Main thing I learned in this thread:

                                        Nevada gaming control board is a joke. It is awesome to read about these storefront independent books. Today, the gaming control board does not allow competition so we have joke books (William Hill) all throughout the state.
                                        "Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie, but we gotta fight"
                                        -Slim Charles (also the new motto of pregame.com)

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                                          I loved that place with all the goofball toughguys that hung around there.

                                          What a place
                                          http://www.hot-odds.com/DroppingOdds

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                                            great thread...memory from early 90s.
                                            Bob Stupak gave / lost a rocket style 3 wheel motor cycle to sit outside little Caesars in the strip mall ...across from the dunes..where the Paris Casino now sits....

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                                              Six years since this thread originated. Great thread about the Vegas characters of days gone by. Enough times passed to ask what happened to some of the posters as well.

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