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  • #81
    Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

    I hope this stiff discussion is going on in other forums....

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    • #82
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      Its to bad this case could not be heard by a really judge pretty cut and dry oddsmaker f ##k the player. But in the long run they F##k themselves 90% of the other forum and their posters are siding with the player cant see anyone sending oddsmaker any money in the future..

      This would be a case why offshore gambling should be regulated a panel of folks who are not receiving money from oddsmaker should make a decision not someone who is getting advertising dollars from them.

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      • #83
        Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

        My deposit history at sportsbook.com would make people sick. 8k is an average weekend of deposits for me. If showing it would help I would do it. The shrink knows i am a big player. he knew about my betonsports account which when they went under i had 21k in my account i never received. Several times i had over 100k in my betonsports account before they went under.

        I am the furthest thing from a bonus chaser or abuser you will find.

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        • #84
          Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

          It makes you wonder how many other "jimmymacs" are out there who's stories never make it to the forums.. A general rule of thumb: for every player's story you hear about on the forums, there are many, many others who get ripped off, but who's story never gets told..

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          • #85
            Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

            the truth is this story will blow over and by football season other non suspecting customers will fall prey.

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            • #86
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              Originally posted by jimmymac24 View Post
              My deposit history at sportsbook.com would make people sick. 8k is an average weekend of deposits for me. If showing it would help I would do it. The shrink knows i am a big player. he knew about my betonsports account which when they went under i had 21k in my account i never received. Several times i had over 100k in my betonsports account before they went under.

              I am the furthest thing from a bonus chaser or abuser you will find.
              which is what i thought...

              a nickel free play isnt much action for you...

              with that kind of deposit history at sportsbook...

              oddsmaker needs to pay you something here...

              i hope you never give up your 'crusade to get paid'...

              times are tough...but something good eventually will come out of this.
              Investwithsports.com,...For the most accurate list of service plays anywhere

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              • #87
                Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                I am out of options here. the shrink was my last option as he has great connections inside oddsmaker. I dont know how to continue my crusade. Im shocked to get nothing. i would have been happy with half even though i deserved the entire balance as i never intended to committ bonus abuse.

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                • #88
                  Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                  Ken, you should have consulted with me before rendering a verdict on this one. I believe I am more qualified to answer any questions on bonus abuse than anyone else you have consulted.

                  It is not easy to determine intent when it comes to a possible abuse of a bonus. While you have boldly stated that it was JimmyMac's intent to abuse this bonus, you have shown no evidence that supports that. Simply forwarding the email does not show ill intent. A seasoned serial bonus abuser would have gone about this differently. Since JimmyMac stated that he was already up over 3k before the email was forwarded, surely he would have waited on a cashout before trying again with another (his father's) account. It is obvious to me here that JimmyMac was not being sneaky. He was having good results with his bets so he decided to share the information which led him to try out this book. Nothing on the email stated anything about the bonus being intended only for the individual on the original email. I believe JimmyMac thought he was doing a service for the benefit of the book by spreading the word about this seemingly generous book.

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                  • #89
                    Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                    Lol at bonus abuse, its called, Ah fuk one of the guys we gave this bonus to actually won big instead of just losing it and making his real money deposit - Guess we need to pull one of our BS excuses out so we don't have to pay this guy and hope he doesn't make a scene.....

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                    • #90
                      Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                      Originally posted by Blondie View Post
                      I am not bashing Reload's opinion on this issue in the least. I am simply stating that back when he was on payroll he seldom if ever disagreed with Shrink and would back him even if he said the grass was purple.

                      Anyone that has back room access can tell you Shrink and I don't always see eye to eye neither do Mo and I. I am very opinionated and am more than willing to share my opinion on issues when I have one.

                      However, Reload's response was tactless and another underhanded smack against Shrink. Not his first today or even this month.
                      I don't see this to be an underhanded smack against the Shrink at all. He knew he would be on a big stage with this ruling of his and a LOT of people were going to disagree - not just me. I did not give my opinion just to pile on or try to stand out - it is simply my HONEST opinion. And the Shrink usually respects honest feedback as far as I have been able to tell over the years. I feel he is wrong in this decision and I explained numerous times why.

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                      • #91
                        Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                        Originally posted by Timetopay View Post
                        Not sure why everyone is so 100% with Jimmy.

                        Obviously the guy was gonna try to fuck the book with the extra bonus. He got caught and this is what happens.
                        wrong...

                        just a classless... horseshit post...

                        if you ever run a book...make sure you let the world know...so they can all stay the fuck away from you.
                        Investwithsports.com,...For the most accurate list of service plays anywhere

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                        • #92
                          Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                          wvu i can not sum it up better than you just did....

                          I would never have been so angry and gone to the forums if i was being sneaky and got caught as the verdict says. I lost my cool cuz i knew i did nothing wrong and Never intended to abuse the bonus. I even called when my acct balance was up to 3 or 4k and asked if i had met the rollover requirment and asked when i could withdraw and was told i met all requirments and could make withdrawal on june 22nd.

                          only after my acct hit 8400 did this become an issue. there was several days in between the forwarding of the email and the accusation of bonus abuse.

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                          • #93
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                            Originally posted by Reload View Post
                            I don't see this to be an underhanded smack against the Shrink at all. He knew he would be on a big stage with this ruling of his and a LOT of people were going to disagree - not just me. I did not give my opinion just to pile on or try to stand out - it is simply my HONEST opinion. And the Shrink usually respects honest feedback as far as I have been able to tell over the years. I feel he is wrong in this decision and I explained numerous times why.

                            first you massage his cock and now you stab him in the back constantly

                            nice work

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                            • #94
                              Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                              wow is this a horrible decision.

                              Shrink Im stunned to be honest.

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                              • #95
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                                Originally posted by WVU View Post
                                ...
                                It is not easy to determine intent when it comes to a possible abuse of a bonus. While you have boldly stated that it was JimmyMac's intent to abuse this bonus, you have shown no evidence that supports that. Simply forwarding the email does not show ill intent. A seasoned serial bonus abuser would have gone about this differently. Since JimmyMac stated that he was already up over 3k before the email was forwarded, surely he would have waited on a cashout before trying again with another (his father's) account. It is obvious to me here that JimmyMac was not being sneaky. He was having good results with his bets so he decided to share the information which led him to try out this book. Nothing on the email stated anything about the bonus being intended only for the individual on the original email. I believe JimmyMac thought he was doing a service for the benefit of the book by spreading the word about this seemingly generous book.
                                Well stated, WVU. I think many players agree with your assessment.

                                jimmymac24:
                                I am out of options here. the shrink was my last option as he has great connections inside oddsmaker. I dont know how to continue my crusade. Im shocked to get nothing. i would have been happy with half even though i deserved the entire balance as i never intended to committ bonus abuse.
                                I encourage you to not give up the fight because Oddmaker.com would prefer you do. The old phrase "The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, and the lie became truth" comes to mind. They would prefer the past erased and have this whole situation brushed under the carpet. But you are not the first one who claimed being ripped off by this book and others before you have had their stories washed away..

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                                • #96
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                                  Originally posted by TonyMar View Post
                                  wrong...

                                  just a classless... horseshit post...

                                  if you ever run a book...make sure you let the world know...so they can all stay the fuck away from you.
                                  Just a note to let you know that TimeToPay changed his mind later in the thread, after reading the e-mail.

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                                  • #97
                                    Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                    Also, wtf Jimmymac, 500 into 8400, why don't you start sharing those picks of urs

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                                    • #98
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                                      Originally posted by Halifax View Post
                                      Just a note to let you know that TimeToPay changed his mind later in the thread, after reading the e-mail.
                                      yep...

                                      which is what i was pointing out...

                                      attacked the player without knowing any facts...

                                      pure state fair horseshit.
                                      Investwithsports.com,...For the most accurate list of service plays anywhere

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                                      • #99
                                        Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                        Originally posted by Halifax View Post
                                        Just a note to let you know that TimeToPay changed his mind later in the thread, after reading the e-mail.

                                        thanks halifax

                                        I just assumed like every bonus/coupon/rebate/etc ever put out by any company it would state it could not be copied/shared/etc with family friends.

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                                        • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                          Originally posted by Reload View Post

                                          Shrink and anyone agreeing with this should not be taken seriously anymore. I will not be depositing with Oddsmaker again no matter how many free calendars, hats, or magazines with the Shrink's picture on them that I get in the mail this season.
                                          Originally posted by Reload View Post
                                          I don't see this to be an underhanded smack against the Shrink at all. He knew he would be on a big stage with this ruling of his and a LOT of people were going to disagree - not just me. I did not give my opinion just to pile on or try to stand out - it is simply my HONEST opinion. And the Shrink usually respects honest feedback as far as I have been able to tell over the years. I feel he is wrong in this decision and I explained numerous times why.
                                          In bold is the underhanded smack in my opinion. As well as the sarcastic comment from earlier this morning that the reason it was delayed was for traffic.

                                          As I said, these are not the first off collar comments posted by you as of late, however these seem to be happening more and more often.

                                          Once again, I am not commenting on your opinion you are entitled to it, and have well explained the reasoning behind it which is to be respected as many have just voiced opinions without reasoning.

                                          So does this mean when you type something that others think is ignorant or a "bad call" of judgment that you should never be taken seriously again?

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                                            Originally posted by TonyMar View Post
                                            yep...

                                            which is what i was pointing out...

                                            attacked the player without knowing any facts...

                                            pure state fair horseshit.

                                            so you telling me people didnt attack the book without knowing the facts???


                                            Read the other 5 threads on this if you are bored

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                                            • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                              guys,

                                              below is the first email i received about the issue they had with bonus abuse. it came the next morning after i got my account up to 8400. My favorite was the line about bothering them about withdrawing money. I called them ONE time asking about withdrawal policies god forbid. also notice that the original issue was with ME opening a second account. My dad opened an account and i offered to have him send his drivers license,etc to prove he is not me. we do not live together and its a different ip address.




                                              I need to discuss something serious with you. After you opened an account and got a FREE $500 bonus, you opened ANOTHER account and tried to claim ANOTHER $500 from customer support therefore avoiding us in VIP. Why would you try something sneaky like this? On top of it all the entire time you kept bothering us about withdrawing money. You may forfeit all your winnings from the first account. This has been forwarded to higher departments. I await your answer.

                                              Sincerely,

                                              Anthony Stewart
                                              1-866-509-6664
                                              vip@oddsmaker.com

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                                              • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                i cannot wait to hear mo's opinion on this...

                                                Investwithsports.com,...For the most accurate list of service plays anywhere

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                                                • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                  An embarrassingly bad decision. Terrible.


                                                  Keep spreading the word about what crooks Oddsmaker are, men. Let everyone know even weeks and months from now.


                                                  Moral of the story is only play at the good books if you ask me.

                                                  Oddsmaker = Crooks!

                                                  I feel for you Jimmy.
                                                  He has just proven it? You can't be serious. Nobody with a brain takes Heim
                                                  seriously, and this is not a new devlopment. Heim would get cut from a Special Olympics debate team. Common knowledge.

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                                                  • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                    Originally posted by Timetopay View Post
                                                    so you telling me people didnt attack the book without knowing the facts???


                                                    Read the other 5 threads on this if you are bored
                                                    this is the 'final verdict' thread...

                                                    you attacked the player...

                                                    'obviously' you were wrong.
                                                    Investwithsports.com,...For the most accurate list of service plays anywhere

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                                                    • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                      The nearly unanimous decision on this topic by the players is against Oddsmaker.com and THE SHRINK. This makes one wonder if THE SHRINK's opinion is really worth much to both books and players. It's like the judge read the verdict and banged his gavel and the jury stands up and calls him a fool, while the defendant laughs.. a travesty of justice..

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                                                      • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                        trtytrytry get your money out of this book and all other posters withdraw from the shit book.

                                                        this is the same book that fucked a winning casino player and made a deal with him.



                                                        horrible decision by the shrink

                                                        unreal

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                                                        • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                          Originally posted by Blondie View Post
                                                          In bold is the underhanded smack in my opinion. As well as the sarcastic comment from earlier this morning that the reason it was delayed was for traffic.

                                                          As I said, these are not the first off collar comments posted by you as of late, however these seem to be happening more and more often.

                                                          Once again, I am not commenting on your opinion you are entitled to it, and have well explained the reasoning behind it which is to be respected as many have just voiced opinions without reasoning.

                                                          So does this mean when you type something that others think is ignorant or a "bad call" of judgment that you should never be taken seriously again?

                                                          Blondie,

                                                          I know you are paid by the Shrink, but do you REALLY side with his decision? You have always seemed fair and rather intelligent, being such, how could you possibly take his side? Even Corky the retard could see this is robbery. I and I suspect 95% of the posting body agree with Reload.

                                                          I suspect that Oddsmaker told Shrink either side with us or no more ad money. Shrink, being a greedy scum bag took the cash and fucked the player in the ass. He has a long history of doing this in case you didn't know.

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                                                            As I said, these are not the first off collar comments posted by you as of late, however these seem to be happening more and more often.
                                                            Will you please release Reload's balls from your vice-like grip. Let him voice his opinion, as "off collar" as you may think it may be.

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                                                            • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                              I belong to a very popular poker forum, this forum has an OFF TOPIC section, I have seen numerous posts in the past ranging from, "Oddmakers.com, what do you guys think of this site?", "just got a free $50 from Oddmakers.com, have any of you?", etc.... People would respond with their opinion and such, this is a very big public poker forum, and as we all know poker is gambling and alot of poker players bet sports - I will be posting this exact story there to make sure MORE sportsbettors are aware of how oddsmaker's does business and how shady they are - I have already lead some of my betting friends to the site, people need to know not to waste their time with this BS bonus!!!!!

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                                                              • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                Originally posted by joeybagadonuts View Post
                                                                Blondie,



                                                                I suspect that Oddsmaker told Shrink either side with us or no more ad money. Shrink, being a greedy scum bag took the cash and fucked the player in the ass. He has a long history of doing this in case you didn't know.
                                                                how much do you think oddsmaker is paying for their ad here?
                                                                Investwithsports.com,...For the most accurate list of service plays anywhere

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                                                                • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                  Originally posted by Blondie View Post
                                                                  In bold is the underhanded smack in my opinion. As well as the sarcastic comment from earlier this morning that the reason it was delayed was for traffic.

                                                                  As I said, these are not the first off collar comments posted by you as of late, however these seem to be happening more and more often.

                                                                  Once again, I am not commenting on your opinion you are entitled to it, and have well explained the reasoning behind it which is to be respected as many have just voiced opinions without reasoning.

                                                                  So does this mean when you type something that others think is ignorant or a "bad call" of judgment that you should never be taken seriously again?
                                                                  This thread is not about me - it's about the Shrink's AWFUL decision. If you want to start your own thread on how I do and say things, then go ahead.

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                                                                  • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                    Originally posted by beedo View Post
                                                                    Will you please release Reload's balls from your vice-like grip. Let him voice his opinion, as "off collar" as you may think it may be.

                                                                    I read his opinion and I can see where he does make valid points for consideration.

                                                                    However, these "off collar" comments about Shrink, the site, etc are what I am commenting on to him.

                                                                    Not whether I agree with him or not on the decision.

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                                                                    • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                      bad decision here if the dad was denied a bonus and never opened an account.
                                                                      stay away from futurebet operations, they are well documented theives

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                                                                      • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                        blondie start another thread like he said

                                                                        why fuck this thread up?

                                                                        you can delete this if you want

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                                                                        • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                          Originally posted by Reload View Post
                                                                          This thread is not about me - it's about the Shrink's AWFUL decision. If you want to start your own thread on how I do and say things, then go ahead.
                                                                          Way to go Reload. Glad you finally pulled your nose out of The Shrink's ass and told us what you really think, it's very refreshing to see. As I said, anyone with an ounce of sense can see this is a clear cut case of a book stiffing and a forum owner get paid to make sure of it.

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                                                                          • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                            Shrink and Oddsmaker = Con men, who knew? Nice team right there

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                                                                              Originally posted by Cee View Post
                                                                              Shrink and Oddsmaker = Con men, who knew? Nice team right there
                                                                              ANd team way up top too advertising here. Conflict of interest to say the least.

                                                                              Terrible horrible decison and glad to see some players say so.
                                                                              He has just proven it? You can't be serious. Nobody with a brain takes Heim
                                                                              seriously, and this is not a new devlopment. Heim would get cut from a Special Olympics debate team. Common knowledge.

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                                                                                This garbage is such bullshit and is why the industry has black eye after black eye. I've never seen assumptions and hypothetical situations replace facts when making a decision.

                                                                                If they have a problem with the way Jimmymac conducts his business then shut his account down but you can't not pay him. If there was money won under his Dad's account it would be a completely different story.

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                                                                                • Re: JIMMYMAC VS. ODDSMAKER DISPUTE: THE VERDICT

                                                                                  Originally posted by BigDaddy View Post
                                                                                  blondie start another thread like he said

                                                                                  why fuck this thread up?

                                                                                  you can delete this if you want
                                                                                  No need to delete, that would be silly.

                                                                                  Commented in this thread about it as it was part of his statement in this thread that I was commenting on.

                                                                                  As for the overall outcome, what would your ideal answer have been?

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