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    A 5-7 record.

    LeBron, most overblown star in sports history.

  • #2
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    Originally posted by flip flops View Post
    5-7 record

    lebron most overblown star in sports history
    Brick's defense is killing the Cavs.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/b...of-the-problem


    Jae Crowder has given up the most spot-ups for the Cavs, which isn't surprising. Crowder's on a new team, being asked to adapt to an ever-changing role, and he's consistently tasked with guarding the toughest perimeter weapons on the wing. He's given up 50 points off spot-up plays. Only one player is anywhere close to him.
    LeBron James. The greatest elephant of all time in the room

    Logging the spot-ups surrendered by the Cavs, about one in every four was the result of either James himself falling asleep, over-helping or ball-watching, or as a result of something else James did

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    • #3
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      Somewhat hilarious that being great defensively is the only thing that could ever stop the Warriors consistently, but he has handpicked a roster as player/gm/coach that is made up entirely of below average to liability defenders.

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      • #4
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        ^ watch the manlet report, the team total UNDER of the opposing team of whoever the hell the cavs play next week is about to be a play

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        • #5
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          LeBron the GM has betrayed LeBron the Player.

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          • #6
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            its all hype with this guy

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            • #7
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              I’m glad he wanted Wade. Wade may be the 2nd most overrated played in the last 5- 10 years, after Melo.
              Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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              • #8
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                Lebron needed Kyrie more than kyrie needed lebton

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                • #9
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                  Lebron's legacy was always going to be the guy that couldn't win by himself, promised his home town team a championship, then bolted because it was too hard and he knew he would never win without being surrounded by superstars that can handle the moment better, joined with two other top 5 PER players, then decided he'd be able to convince morons and Cleveland that he was a decent guy if he 'went home' and won Cleveland a championship. Now he's bored again and wants to win in a bigger city and wants to try to get to 6 or 7 rings so will sell out anything to get there, no matter what city or who he fucks along the way.

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                  • #10
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                    He will also be seen historically as the guy that ruined the NBA and turned it into a 3 or 4 team league every year.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                      He will also be seen historically as the guy that ruined the NBA and turned it into a 3 or 4 team league every year.
                      We get that you are a Jordan guy but LeBron will go down as one of the greatest to play the game....
                      Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Viejo Dinosaur View Post
                        We get that you are a Jordan guy but LeBron will go down as one of the greatest to play the game....
                        That can be true, also what I said about him ruining the game can also be true.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                          Lebron's legacy was always going to be the guy that couldn't win by himself, promised his home town team a championship, then bolted because it was too hard and he knew he would never win without being surrounded by superstars that can handle the moment better, joined with two other top 5 PER players, then decided he'd be able to convince morons and Cleveland that he was a decent guy if he 'went home' and won Cleveland a championship. Now he's bored again and wants to win in a bigger city and wants to try to get to 6 or 7 rings so will sell out anything to get there, no matter what city or who he fucks along the way.
                          Sums it up pretty nicely.
                          Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                          • #14
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                            good post Javy. Jordan sparked the NBA and LeBron is killing it.

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                            • #15
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                              pippen
                              magic
                              bird
                              jordan
                              shaq
                              kobe
                              durant
                              olajuwon
                              oscar
                              julius
                              malone
                              russell
                              chamberlain



                              all better


                              lebron top 20 maybe

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                              • #16
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                                Kareem

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                                • #17
                                  Re: LeBron's legacy not what it once was

                                  Originally posted by flip flops View Post
                                  pippen
                                  magic
                                  bird
                                  jordan
                                  shaq
                                  kobe
                                  durant
                                  olajuwon
                                  oscar
                                  julius
                                  malone
                                  russell
                                  chamberlain



                                  all better


                                  lebron top 20 maybe

                                  lebron IMO much better than pippen

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                                  • #18
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                                    Originally posted by MrTop View Post
                                    lebron IMO much better than pippen
                                    He had to put Pippen at the top too.

                                    Almost completely discredited the whole list.

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                                    • #19
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                                      pippen most underrated player of all time do u account for defense?

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                                      • #20
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                                        Cleveland’s problem is no higher up wants to stand up to lebron. Jordan tried to butt into player moves and was squashed.
                                        Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                                        • #21
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                                          "Legacy not what it once was" sounds like something Yogi Berra might say.
                                          Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                                          • #22
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                                            Lebron sucks

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                                            • #23
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                                              The thing I guess is impressive is the appearance in consecutive finals in this pathetic nba east. Of course it pales in comparison to consecutive appearance in finals to Bill Russell (10), Sam Jones and Tom Heinsohn (nine) and K.C. Jones and Frank Ramsey (eight)

                                              James has won three championships and lost five . Jordan was 6-0 in Finals series, and Russell lost only once.

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                                              • #24
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                                                Brick's legacy is about the same as always, choker.

                                                Names his teams and has 3 Final wins in 8 tries. Thanks goodness for some assists from a few HOF'ers and the Commissioner or he could be an O'fer very easily.

                                                Durant, Anthony Davis just a couple in the game that are so much better it's embarrassing.

                                                Brick about a top 50 player of all time. Social media and all the new ways to recruit casual fans certainly has him rated much higher than his worth.

                                                Defense this season is completely laughable, even by his standards. Saves his energy to throw up offensive #'s......

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                                                • #25
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                                                  He will have one very impressive stat on his resume.

                                                  Barring a career ending injury, he will be the all time scoring leader, kind of putting him on a level with Pete Rose and his 4,256 hits !

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                                                  • #26
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                                                    maybe lebron in OKC ?

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                                                    • #27
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                                                      https://gfycat.com/BlackandwhiteFailingGoldeneye

                                                      look at this defense

                                                      Guarantee Michael Jordan never watched someone dribble down the lane like this

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                                                      • #28
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                                                        Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                                                        https://gfycat.com/BlackandwhiteFailingGoldeneye

                                                        look at this defense

                                                        Guarantee Michael Jordan never watched someone dribble down the lane like this
                                                        Problem is the good teams don’t care anymore. They just want to be healthy and rested for the playoffs.
                                                        Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                                                        • #29
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                                                          According to Paul Pierce CAVS won't make the playoffs. Then Billups asks what's in the cup he's drinking from.
                                                          The art of learning is learning who to ignore ~LeAnn Rimes

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                                                          • #30
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                                                            I'm scared he might play another 10 years.........

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                                                            • #31
                                                              Re: LeBron's legacy not what it once was

                                                              Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                                                              https://gfycat.com/BlackandwhiteFailingGoldeneye

                                                              look at this defense

                                                              Guarantee Michael Jordan never watched someone dribble down the lane like this
                                                              LMAO. Gotcha. You can't keep your story straight.

                                                              I thought you told me you never dissed LBJ's Defense and he was a good defender? So which is it?

                                                              Here's a hint, I have watched 80% of the Cavs games this year and LBJ is absolutely, positively, still a +Defender.
                                                              Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                              • #32
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                                                                Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                                                LMAO. Gotcha. You can't keep your story straight.

                                                                I thought you told me you never dissed LBJ's Defense and he was a good defender? So which is it?

                                                                Here's a hint, I have watched 80% of the Cavs games this year and LBJ is absolutely, positively, still a +Defender.
                                                                I guarantee those ex-bulls on the roster are not. LeBron has changed from a one-on-one defender to a help defender, maybe it’s the D they are playing.
                                                                Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                                                                • #33
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                                                                  Originally posted by FairWarning View Post
                                                                  I guarantee those ex-bulls on the roster are not. LeBron has changed from a one-on-one defender to a help defender, maybe it’s the D they are playing.
                                                                  Tell that to 7’3 Porzingis; LBJ has always been both.

                                                                  While he's certainly not perfect on the D-side, his pluses far outweigh his minuses.

                                                                  As for the Ex-Bulls, not going to argue that but I don't think, Korver, specifically, is the defensive liability that he is made out to be. I know teams target him but he puts forth an honest effort and is a good team defender. You don't play his 4th Qrt minutes if you are a defensive liability.
                                                                  Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    Re: LeBron's legacy not what it once was

                                                                    Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                                                                    https://gfycat.com/BlackandwhiteFailingGoldeneye

                                                                    look at this defense

                                                                    Guarantee Michael Jordan never watched someone dribble down the lane like this
                                                                    Where is the GIF of Kyrie blowing by Draymond last night? Is Draymond a shitty defender? Two plays before that, Draymond, w/ zero help, absolutely stuffed Kyrie's penetration and made him dribble out which fucked up the possession.

                                                                    Where is the GIF of Kyrie's two late off-the ball cuts on Thompson last night? Is Thompson a shitty defender?

                                                                    I can pick out the best defenders in the world and make them look anything but.
                                                                    Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                    • #35
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                                                                      Originally posted by FairWarning View Post
                                                                      I guarantee those ex-bulls on the roster are not. LeBron has changed from a one-on-one defender to a help defender, maybe it’s the D they are playing.
                                                                      Actually, forgot about D-Wade. He's been + this year. If he can just focus on that end and pass it to Kyle and Channing on the other end; there will be no stopping us He'll figure it out. I was actually cold to his signing but I like him coming off the bench and what I've seen on the defensive end.
                                                                      Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                      • #36
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                                                                        Originally posted by FairWarning View Post
                                                                        I guarantee those ex-bulls on the roster are not. LeBron has changed from a one-on-one defender to a help defender, maybe it’s the D they are playing.
                                                                        As a matter of fact, here's what I see happening in the NBA finals this year, w/ Flash coming off the bench:




                                                                        That 2nd line is going to "dive" in their and get some... at least not get absolutely pummelled w/ LBJ on the bench and that's all we need. Just hold the line.
                                                                        Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                        • #37
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                                                                          Originally posted by MrTop View Post
                                                                          maybe lebron in OKC ?
                                                                          Possibly staysin the east with Philly...
                                                                          Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Re: LeBron's legacy not what it once was

                                                                            Originally posted by GameBred View Post

                                                                            Here's a hint, I have watched 80% of the Cavs games this year and LBJ is absolutely, positively, still a +Defender.
                                                                            No wonder why you think he's the best of all time. His defense is awful. A lot has to do with playing too many minutes having to rest on D.

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                                                                            • #39
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                                                                              Originally posted by raiders72001 View Post
                                                                              No wonder why you think he's the best of all time. His defense is awful. A lot has to do with playing too many minutes having to rest on D.
                                                                              You've been saying this for years along with all the other Joe's while the Pros agree w/ me; you are the one who linked me to the article. Not that I needed the confirmation as I know what I am watching.

                                                                              I'm watching him, he is not resting on defense. You guys can't get away with that this year, I'm not just watching the highlights, I'm watching the games and what you are saying is not true. I can pick out the best defender in the world and make him look like shit by cherry-picking GIFS.

                                                                              Can you supply a synopsis of what you have seen him doing defensively that is so poor?
                                                                              Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Re: LeBron's legacy not what it once was

                                                                                Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                                                                You've been saying this for years along with all the other Joe's while the Pros agree w/ me; you are the one who linked me to the article. Not that I needed the confirmation as I know what I am watching.

                                                                                I'm watching him, he is not resting on defense. You guys can't get away with that this year, I'm not just watching the highlights, I'm watching the games and what you are saying is not true. I can pick out the best defender in the world and make him look like shit by cherry-picking GIFS.

                                                                                Can you supply a synopsis of what you have seen him doing defensively that is so poor?
                                                                                You're the farthest thing from a professional sports gambler. Everyone but you realizes he rests and floats on defense. I can show you many articles too.

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