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  • #81
    Re: Coaching carousel

    Originally posted by kane View Post
    The thought that you know more about the Cubs than Milkshake knows about college football is literally laugh out loud funny, I'm being serious, I actually started laughing when I read it, you're a delusional Cubs homer, that's the reality
    Homer? Delusional? So when I said the Cubs would be the best team in baseball soon back in 2013/2014 and they win the most games in the league from 2015-2017 I got lucky?

    Face it... I've been a Cubs fan for 30 years and have only thought they were great in the time span they were great. That's not being a homer. Being a homer is you thinking a 10-15th caliber Miami team by any metric deserves a shot in the playoffs meant for the best 4 teams in the country. That's a delusional homer and it's you.

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    • #82
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      Originally posted by kane View Post
      No, I don't think I'm smart because I'm an atheist, there are several reasons why I'm smart, being an atheist isn't one of them however
      You seem to possess clearly below average intelligence. But carry on.

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      • #83
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        Look at that list! This isnt about lovie. This is a system problem. I dont think they care. That list is cheap or headlines. They went ultimate headline imo. However we are now talking about Illinois, child molestation, republican and democratic views.
        Here are your schools with openings. Discuss Javy. Discuss everyone. Im especially interested in Kent state and south Alabama both are one year away with the right guy.
        Rice
        Utep
        Ga southern- scratch that just took interim tag off Lunsford.. good.
        Miss state
        Tennessee
        Texas a&m
        Arkansas
        Oregon state
        Nebraska
        Kent state
        South Alabama

        I expect ULL to let go of Hudspeth Sunday unless he somehow wins in App st.

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        • #84
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          Since the Tennessee search is such a mess now, let's see what you think they do. And let's face it, it's the premier job on this list. 2nd most lucrative football program in the country, 3rd biggest stadium, enough talent to compete and Tennessee has good in state talent. Add in that the SEC East isn't that scary after Georgia and it's not a bad place to find yourself. Arkansas/Miss State are good jobs as well, but who wants to have to compete with the SEC West every year.

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          • #85
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            [QUOTE=Drnkyourmlkshk;4957490]Here was your list of potential replacements for Cubit in 2015.
            Brohm- was part of Zooks staff (probably a lack of interest on both sides)
            Taggert- now at oregon makes more than Harbaugh and might contend for a national championship. Also black but no way he was taking that job. Declined interview.. they did shoot High.
            Bo Pellini- would have been bad timing. He was only 1 season removed from nebraska.
            Pj Fleck- Hes white and hes got fight! Hes never one to pipe about being just alright! Row the boat. Hes exciting on the sidelines he hates qbs but can recruit not at a lovie level as we are seeing but he would have been a good fit.
            Leslie Frazier- Baltimore ravens DC I know nothing about him.
            Brock Spack- illinois state head coach. I know nada.
            Al Golden- Miami FL. That'd been a interesting hire. No offense ever and under investigation for accepting booster money at the U. Later aqquited and still hated by all residents of miami.[/QUOTE]

            I was always a Golden defender when he was here, everyone wanted him gone, but I knew he was in a tough spot due to the Nevin Shapiro scandal, I thought he needed more time, but it became apparent that he wasn't a good head coach and had to go. He was a very affable guy, always handled himself in a classy manner, but he was in over his head here, having success at Temple isn't the same as trying to turn around a once great Miami program. Anyway, the fact that the best job he could get was being the tight ends coach for the Lions tells you how he's regarded as far as coaching goes. You're one of the good guys here, BOL the rest of the way and during bowl season
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            • #86
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              Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
              Since the Tennessee search is such a mess now, let's see what you think they do. And let's face it, it's the premier job on this list. 2nd most lucrative football program in the country, 3rd biggest stadium, enough talent to compete and Tennessee has good in state talent. Add in that the SEC East isn't that scary after Georgia and it's not a bad place to find yourself. Arkansas/Miss State are good jobs as well, but who wants to have to compete with the SEC West every year.
              Tennessee is a terrible job. Take a listen to the SEC road podcast on sbn. I also think Paul Finebaum said it best you leave Kiffin at the airport, you then hire Dooley who was the most imcompetent HC ever and you replace him with Jones who you fire after a 9 win season and consecutive bowl wins. They fired him why? He started fr qbs and was starting over on D. Everytime you fire a HC your recruiting takes a hit. Even if its just the initial season the school is 6 weeks behind schedule.
              Jones was a incredible recruiter. One of the best ever.

              If they are smart they grab Mcilwen before he settles into Montana. The USC OC is not a good fit. He is young which I would like for the vols but hes never recruited and has no experience at all with a defense or running a big staff.

              If you are going to go offense and want a name? Chad morris at SMU is terrific and exciting also has the ability to turn a program around.

              Norvell out of memphis is incompetent on D but he also can figure out how to score with young talent.
              Hugh freeze makes sense but he likes to call escort services and the fan base wont accept that.

              Jason candle at toledo is a amazing SEC hire. A little rough on run D but conservative and the Campbell tree would become established. He hates to pass which drives me insane he'd fit right in.

              Mike Leach is a terrible recruiter and has no interest in special teams but the SEC would be fun with him and his fan bases love him. Thats all tennesse fans want is someone they like and agree with. Winning at this point is not the main point.

              Jim Tressel. Conservative, has won a championship, prefers to build a defense first, qb developer and wouldn't cost much.

              Btw texas AM is 10x a better job.
              7 fr. Wrs and a fr qb started all year the entire D returns in 18 and they have huge oil money. The fans expectations aren't completely delusional and you can take a year to retool. Tennesse you win 5 next yr? Hot seat by 19'. Texas and tennessee forget about it.

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              • #87
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                [QUOTE=kane;4957501]
                Originally posted by Drnkyourmlkshk View Post
                Here was your list of potential replacements for Cubit in 2015.
                Brohm- was part of Zooks staff (probably a lack of interest on both sides)
                Taggert- now at oregon makes more than Harbaugh and might contend for a national championship. Also black but no way he was taking that job. Declined interview.. they did shoot High.
                Bo Pellini- would have been bad timing. He was only 1 season removed from nebraska.
                Pj Fleck- Hes white and hes got fight! Hes never one to pipe about being just alright! Row the boat. Hes exciting on the sidelines he hates qbs but can recruit not at a lovie level as we are seeing but he would have been a good fit.
                Leslie Frazier- Baltimore ravens DC I know nothing about him.
                Brock Spack- illinois state head coach. I know nada.
                Al Golden- Miami FL. That'd been a interesting hire. No offense ever and under investigation for accepting booster money at the U. Later aqquited and still hated by all residents of miami.[/QUOTE]

                I was always a Golden defender when he was here, everyone wanted him gone, but I knew he was in a tough spot due to the Nevin Shapiro scandal, I thought he needed more time, but it became apparent that he wasn't a good head coach and had to go. He was a very affable guy, always handled himself in a classy manner, but he was in over his head here, having success at Temple isn't the same as trying to turn around a once great Miami program. Anyway, the fact that the best job he could get was being the tight ends coach for the Lions tells you how he's regarded as far as coaching goes. You're one of the good guys here, BOL the rest of the way and during bowl season
                I liked him as well. He was a great under coach both schools. His downfall is he knew one system only and when that failed he never hired anyone to take the offense in a different direction. Him and Bob Diaco at Uconn so similar.

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                • #88
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                  Tennessee offering Mike Gundy double his salary (2.1 to 4.2m) and he has turned down the initial offer. Reported by brent mcmurphy and sb nation. They will now seek more money to offer him although it appears he initially doesn't have any interest.
                  They have reached out to Doeren at wake, Brohm at purdue as well rumors have it.

                  Rice is about to make a great hire I have a feeling. They could steal N. Texas OC away from Litrell that could be a major difference maker.

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                  • #89
                    Re: Coaching carousel

                    Originally posted by Drnkyourmlkshk View Post
                    Tennessee offering Mike Gundy double his salary (2.1 to 4.2m) and he has turned down the initial offer. Reported by brent mcmurphy and sb nation. They will now seek more money to offer him although it appears he initially doesn't have any interest.
                    They have reached out to Doeren at wake, Brohm at purdue as well rumors have it.

                    Rice is about to make a great hire I have a feeling. They could steal N. Texas OC away from Litrell that could be a major difference maker.
                    Brohn would be an interesting selection for someone. Not sure he is ready for UT quite yet. Now if Gundy did leave, I could see Brohm landing at Ok St.
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                    • #90
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                      Tennessee will get Gundy if they bump the pay up again.

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                      • #91
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                        Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                        Tennessee will get Gundy if they bump the pay up again.
                        Top 5 pay for a coach whos never had a top 50 defense? I think they're reaching. They obviously want a established name. Bob Stoops would take that gig I have a feeling for less money. I know it sounds crazy but if youre paying 6+m for a HC I'd kick the tires on Franklin at Penn state. He has Tennessee ties to recruiting and is going to have to start over this season anyway. He never wanted to leave the SEC just got offered too much money to stay at Vandy. Hes a top 10 HC and young, inspirational and recruits very well.

                        Brohm isn't leaving Purdue quite yet. He makes alot and has no expectations and a huge future. He started 16 underclassmen and has a huge recruiting class coming in. He could win 9 games and name his price in 19 or 20. Babers as well. Lots of good coaches names being thrown around without realizing no one wants Arkansas or Tennessee outside of the paychecks.
                        Neil Brown of Troy is the best up and comer that seems SEC ready but hes not recycled enough yet.

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                        • #92
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                          Anyone hear realize that Rich Rodriquez is making 6m a yr lol.. jesus his agent is amazing!

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                          • #93
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                            I don't think Tennessee is a bad job...

                            The reality is they just have to overpay because the likelihood of failure there is high because the fan base expects so much. This is simple economics... if taking the Tennessee job increases the chances of having your pay cut off after it, then you have to pay out the ass to take the risk.

                            In fact, every coaching gig where the program was established decades go and has declined is similar in nature. Illinois basketball is a huge risk, so they overpaid Brad Underwood to take it.

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                            • #94
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                              Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                              I don't think Tennessee is a bad job...

                              The reality is they just have to overpay because the likelihood of failure there is high because the fan base expects so much. This is simple economics... if taking the Tennessee job increases the chances of having your pay cut off after it, then you have to pay out the ass to take the risk.

                              In fact, every coaching gig where the program was established decades go and has declined is similar in nature. Illinois basketball is a huge risk, so they overpaid Brad Underwood to take it.
                              Lets be reasonable. What HC who is in a winning situation currently would you like to see at Tennesse that makes sense and is logical?

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                              • #95
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                                Milkshake, what's your opinion on Cutcliffe? I've always thought he's done a pretty good job at a tough place to win, I think he gets the most out of what he has to work with, but I never hear his name being mentioned for other jobs, maybe there's a reason for it, you follow this stuff much more closely than me, curious to hear your take on him, thanks.
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                                • #96
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                                  Originally posted by Drnkyourmlkshk View Post
                                  Lets be reasonable. What HC who is in a winning situation currently would you like to see at Tennesse that makes sense and is logical?
                                  If someone wanted an SEC job, I would sure want one in the east and not the west. I would think UT still has some name recognition. Outside of Bama and maybe UGA, the right coach could have the program on the level of LSU, Auburn, Arky, UF, or TAMU.
                                  Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                                  • #97
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                                    Originally posted by kane View Post
                                    Milkshake, what's your opinion on Cutcliffe? I've always thought he's done a pretty good job at a tough place to win, I think he gets the most out of what he has to work with, but I never hear his name being mentioned for other jobs, maybe there's a reason for it, you follow this stuff much more closely than me, curious to hear your take on him, thanks.
                                    He has supposedly already turned down Tennessee. Cutcliffe almost certainly a lifer at Duke. Has stated many times that he loves being in Durham and wants to end his career there.

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                                    • #98
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                                      The idea of Herm Edwards at ASU is interesting, or any college. I think that is a good hire for most programs.

                                      Graham had a great year with some huge wins imo, but he seemed to run out of time this year. It seemed he did not connect very well with the fans. And the game against USC was embarrassing (although not really considering the preseason talent different, but there was a lot of energy at the start of that game).

                                      There are a lot of good coaches out there. But drink is right, there are very few Taggarts that can walk in anywhere are be successful and have the fan base jump on board. James Franklin is also in that class, but I can't see him leaving Penn State. Derek Mason seems like a brave man staying at Vandy (in that conference) and it doesn't sound like he is leaving.

                                      Be sure to watch Oregon State make a terrible hire.
                                      "Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie, but we gotta fight"
                                      -Slim Charles (also the new motto of pregame.com)

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                                      • #99
                                        Re: Coaching carousel

                                        Originally posted by kane View Post
                                        Milkshake, what's your opinion on Cutcliffe? I've always thought he's done a pretty good job at a tough place to win, I think he gets the most out of what he has to work with, but I never hear his name being mentioned for other jobs, maybe there's a reason for it, you follow this stuff much more closely than me, curious to hear your take on him, thanks.
                                        Best QB developer in college football. Peyton Mannings childrens godfather. Has a very special program in 2018 turned down Tennessee to sign contract extension for half of what they were offering. Wins 6 to 9 games every single year has the most lucrative quarterback camp in the nation doesn't need the money or the headache to go anywhere else. Good coach not flashy good just good.

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                                          Originally posted by Inkwell77 View Post
                                          The idea of Herm Edwards at ASU is interesting, or any college. I think that is a good hire for most programs.

                                          Graham had a great year with some huge wins imo, but he seemed to run out of time this year. It seemed he did not connect very well with the fans. And the game against USC was embarrassing (although not really considering the preseason talent different, but there was a lot of energy at the start of that game).

                                          There are a lot of good coaches out there. But drink is right, there are very few Taggarts that can walk in anywhere are be successful and have the fan base jump on board. James Franklin is also in that class, but I can't see him leaving Penn State. Derek Mason seems like a brave man staying at Vandy (in that conference) and it doesn't sound like he is leaving.

                                          Be sure to watch Oregon State make a terrible hire.
                                          If Mason stays and has offers he is a fool. He loses Shurmur and Webb and that D was awful at home this year. Schedule is road heavy in 18.
                                          Oregon state has resources that not many schools do thanks to a weird circumstance. Doubt he would go but Fritz at Tulane would be a amazing fit. Him or Beau Baldwin of EWU/Cal

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                                            For every Taggert there is a sanford at wku who took the #1 most efficient O in the nation and made them 78th 12 wins to 6.
                                            For every Brohm there is a Fleck in the same conference who lost his final 2 games 75-7 and cut his win total in half all with a exuberant smile.
                                            Wilcox is a difference maker and Herman won 1 more game than Strong making 5 million more and having apparently 7 NFL draft picks start each game.
                                            No coach can single handidly save a program. The infastructure of college football is broken. It's all profit driven and headline/Twitter feed driven. Tennessee, Arkansas isnt going to find the one magical guy overnight nor is Frost going to save Nebraska in 4 months.. keep the merchandise money rolling in with the TV deals and replace bad coach with coach of the week. Repeat and rinse and every 10 years be relevant on a Tuesday night on Espn. Bla

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                                              Someone should bring Monken in for an interview.

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                                                Originally posted by Inkwell77 View Post
                                                The idea of Herm Edwards at ASU is interesting, or any college. I think that is a good hire for most programs.

                                                Graham had a great year with some huge wins imo, but he seemed to run out of time this year. It seemed he did not connect very well with the fans. And the game against USC was embarrassing (although not really considering the preseason talent different, but there was a lot of energy at the start of that game).

                                                There are a lot of good coaches out there. But drink is right, there are very few Taggarts that can walk in anywhere are be successful and have the fan base jump on board. James Franklin is also in that class, but I can't see him leaving Penn State. Derek Mason seems like a brave man staying at Vandy (in that conference) and it doesn't sound like he is leaving.

                                                Be sure to watch Oregon State make a terrible hire.
                                                Edwards would be a terrible hire imho. Most ASU fans like myself are incredulous at the possibility. Graham had an ok year-but has been an awful recruiter and the decline in performance has reflected that. Graham did a phenomenal job of cleaning up the character of the players in the program that Erickson had left.

                                                Graham wasnt hired by the current AD Anderson and the two didn't seem to get along. Anderson wanted to fire Graham at the end of last year but they didn't have the money for the buyout.

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                                                  Originally posted by rdalert447 View Post
                                                  Someone should bring Monken in for an interview.
                                                  In line for a NFL job. He had serious suitors after S. Miss wasnt interested in college coaching as much as NFL

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                                                    Miss St and Oregon St jobs go to two offensive coordinators.

                                                    Both hires are having decent positive feedback
                                                    "Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie, but we gotta fight"
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                                                    • Re: Coaching carousel

                                                      Originally posted by Inkwell77 View Post
                                                      Miss St and Oregon St jobs go to two offensive coordinators.

                                                      Both hires are having decent positive feedback
                                                      The Morehead hire is a good one. Im not sold on a 38 yr old oc whos only experience saw regression from the year prior. That osu job is a pretty large rebuild they were pretty experienced this year. I feel for purdue if they lose Brohm to Tennessee. Hes special and that program was on the rise. I also don't see him as a SEC type of guy.

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                                                        Originally posted by Drnkyourmlkshk View Post
                                                        The Morehead hire is a good one. Im not sold on a 38 yr old oc whos only experience saw regression from the year prior. That osu job is a pretty large rebuild they were pretty experienced this year. I feel for purdue if they lose Brohm to Tennessee. Hes special and that program was on the rise. I also don't see him as a SEC type of guy.
                                                        Agreed on Purdue-hoping they can retain Brohm for another year or two. If Brohm leaves I wonder if Sumlin would go to Purdue since it's his alma mater.

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                                                          herm edwards to zona st.................

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                                                            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                                                            Agreed on Purdue-hoping they can retain Brohm for another year or two. If Brohm leaves I wonder if Sumlin would go to Purdue since it's his alma mater.
                                                            They can't afford him. Hes not a budget kind of guy with the buy out he just got. He would be a fit at fsu initially. He recruits his tail off but not a emphasis on D would hurt him long term.

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                                                              Dave Doeren just turned down Tennessee, so funny they can't find anyone who wants the job
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                                                                Originally posted by kane View Post
                                                                Dave Doeren just turned down Tennessee, so funny they can't find anyone who wants the job
                                                                2 unnamed assistants from the SEC both turned down the Vols job as well neither had HC experience reported by SI and Finebaum. Im positive one was Jeremy Pruitt who can name his school and price.
                                                                Who would want that job? 5 star Fr QB who showed nothing, starting over on D and st's. A 6-7 win cieling and a fan base, booster club expectation of 10 with a history of firing you after 2 years and making you unhireable afterwards.
                                                                And if Tennessee wasnt crazy enough look at Arkansas maybe even worst.

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                                                                  I would imagine another sticking point with Tennessee job might be the incoming coach has to be wondering who his new boss will be as AD Currie might very well get canned in 6 months or so after screwing up this hire.

                                                                  Agree with all the above points Drink makes about the fan base. UT is under .500 for last 10 years but they still have unreal expectations.

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                                                                    On a different note ....Checking the accuracy of a Nebraska rumor. This would not be a scoop at this point, but it will be interesting to see how close the prevailing rumor for the past 2 weeks turns out to be. That is that Frost will receive $35 Million for a 7 year contract. Should find out Sunday or Monday if those #'s are right.

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                                                                      Originally posted by kane View Post
                                                                      FSU now becomes the best job available, I wonder who they go after
                                                                      It's official, Fisher is an Aggie, really curious who gets the Seminole job
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                                                                        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                                                                        I would imagine another sticking point with Tennessee job might be the incoming coach has to be wondering who his new boss will be as AD Currie might very well get canned in 6 months or so after screwing up this hire.

                                                                        Agree with all the above points Drink makes about the fan base. UT is under .500 for last 10 years but they still have unreal expectations.
                                                                        Fulmer hand picking the next coach

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                                                                          Fisher's contract is definitely Jumbo....
                                                                          The art of learning is learning who to ignore ~LeAnn Rimes

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                                                                            Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                                                                            Fulmer hand picking the next coach
                                                                            By consolation it has to be Tee Martin.
                                                                            The art of learning is learning who to ignore ~LeAnn Rimes

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                                                                              Chad Morris to Arkansas
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                                                                                Troy Dye @Tdye15dbTroy
                                                                                He lied straight to my dads face in my living room Thursday night. He didn't keep his word to me Monday. Lost all my respect. https://twitter.com/aaronjfentress/status/938449692131696640 …

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                                                                                  Alabama D.C. Jeremy Pruitt to Tennessee.

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