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    Props if u have this stuff figured out.

    Celts were +1.5 for game One and +250 for series.

    One thing can't be in doubt. Is there a better Coach/GM combo than Stevens/Ainge?

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    Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

    Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
    Props if u have this stuff figured out.

    Celts were +1.5 for game One and +250 for series.

    One thing can't be in doubt. Is there a better Coach/GM combo than Stevens/Ainge?


    NO.

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    • #3
      Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

      With the 4 Sides of the Ball on the Court at the same time, that being the Boston Offense/ Defense, and the Cleveland Offense/Defense, and after a Finished Regular Season and 2 Rounds of the Playoffs , I would say that the Worst Side of the 4, is the Cleveland Defense.

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      • #4
        Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

        Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
        Props if u have this stuff figured out.

        Celts were +1.5 for game One and +250 for series.

        One thing can't be in doubt. Is there a better Coach/GM combo than Stevens/Ainge?
        This is the first I am hearing of it. Do you think that was mispriced? If so, me too, they probably should have been +300

        I'm being serious, btw.
        Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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        • #5
          Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

          Hard to know when GameBred is serious and when he's merely trolling.

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          • #6
            Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

            Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
            Hard to know when GameBred is serious and when he's merely trolling.
            I only troll the trolls. Chucky is good people.

            Just ask me and I'll tell you, I am 100% serious. I have no idea what is going to happen but I can't imagine Boston beats them 3 out of the next 6 games.
            Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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            • #7
              Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

              ChuckyG has a pleasant personality, on and off the forum.

              Similar pointspread from Game 1 to Game 2 in the Eastern Conference Finals.

              Game 1 total, however, climbed as high as 205.5 whereas the Game 2 total opened and is currently 202.5.

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              • #8
                Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
                ChuckyG has a pleasant personality, on and off the forum.

                Similar pointspread from Game 1 to Game 2 in the Eastern Conference Finals.

                Game 1 total, however, climbed as high as 205.5 whereas the Game 2 total opened and is currently 202.5.
                Let me drop a dime on myself. Game 2, GameBred isn't walking through that door; there ain't gonna be no motivational speech.

                As a matter of fact, I'm fucking worried that I'm not worried.

                IM0, Boston isn't going to win in Cle so the Cavs just need to win 1 in Boston.
                Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                • #9
                  Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                  Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
                  Props if u have this stuff figured out.

                  Celts were +1.5 for game One and +250 for series.

                  One thing can't be in doubt. Is there a better Coach/GM combo than Stevens/Ainge?
                  I agree with Max Good, the Celtics talents is way underrated. Marcus Smart was best hs player in nation his Sr year, Hortford is big time, Baynes is smart

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                  • #10
                    Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                    Stevens and Ainge are good but getting too much credit imo

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                    • #11
                      Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                      GBred, a lot to digest. Opinions sway so quickly. Usually, the questions are better answered on Monday morning.

                      Just one game, but I heard SO many people saying that u can't bet vs the King in this series. I do have one observation from this post-season. How good is Irving?

                      I'm of the opinion that he's not that valuable. Produces a lot of stats. But he may be a small Net + player, once u sort out his contributions on offense + defense.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                        Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
                        GBred, a lot to digest. Opinions sway so quickly. Usually, the questions are better answered on Monday morning.

                        Just one game, but I heard SO many people saying that u can't bet vs the King in this series. I do have one observation from this post-season. How good is Irving?

                        I'm of the opinion that he's not that valuable. Produces a lot of stats. But he may be a small Net + player, once u sort out his contributions on offense + defense.
                        This is what I was yelling, kicking and screaming about, I'm on the record as saying that Kyrie doesn't scare me one fuck. He's unguardable and there is value in that but that's it. Swap out Big Al (Who I ID'ed as the MVP of this team very early on while running counter surveillance) for Kyrie and the C's don't get out of Rd1, IMO.

                        BTW, Smart has replaced Bradley as my favorite C.
                        Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                          Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                          Let me drop a dime on myself. Game 2, GameBred isn't walking through that door; there ain't gonna be no motivational speech.

                          As a matter of fact, I'm fucking worried that I'm not worried.

                          IM0, Boston isn't going to win in Cle so the Cavs just need to win 1 in Boston.
                          I think we need a speech. I know I said that before the Toronto series but I lost sight that they were from Canada for a second. This Boston team is dangerous because they think they are suppose to win. Lets get the speeches started before we are asking ourselves what if.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                            Boston is the better team, but Cleveland has LeBron, he's the equalizer, he needs to be great or his team can't win.
                            All great genius encounters violent opposition from mediocre minds

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                              Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                              I think we need a speech. I know I said that before the Toronto series but I lost sight that they were from Canada for a second. This Boston team is dangerous because they think they are suppose to win. Lets get the speeches started before we are asking ourselves what if.
                              Who the fuck do they think they are

                              A bunch of Boston Beanie Babies think they are going to behead our King?

                              Ray's calling for a speech.... does this mean you have a Series position on the Cavs? I'm so proud of you if you do
                              Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                              • #16
                                Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
                                Props if u have this stuff figured out.

                                Celts were +1.5 for game One and +250 for series.

                                One thing can't be in doubt. Is there a better Coach/GM combo than Stevens/Ainge?
                                Chucky, the Ainge /Stevens combo is the best in the NBA. The other top duo's are Buford/Pop, Myers/Kerr, Riley/Spo, Morey/Dantoni, and Lindsey/Snyder
                                All great genius encounters violent opposition from mediocre minds

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                                • #17
                                  Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                  Originally posted by kane View Post
                                  Boston is the better team, but Cleveland has LeBron, he's the equalizer, he needs to be great or his team can't win.
                                  He was feeling them out tonight and taking what he could get; Boston did a great job making LBJ look human. The Non-LeBrons turned into useless fucks again; they shall turn back into the guys I've watched all season. Once again, Lue is no fucking help and is overmatched but once LBJ downloads the data and the Non-LeBrons shoot anywhere close to their averages; they will be too tough to beat.
                                  Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                  • #18
                                    Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                    Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                    Who the fuck do they think they are

                                    A bunch of Boston Beanie Babies think they are going to behead our King?

                                    Ray's calling for a speech.... does this mean you have a Series position on the Cavs? I'm so proud of you if you do
                                    Nah but no point in giving the gallery some much needed material for their side of the argument.

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                                    • #19
                                      Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                      Other than Lebron, the Celtics have the better player at every other position, they also have home court, and the much better coach. LeBron has to be great, there's no one else who can take up the slack if he has an off game. I don't know who wins the series, but I know the Cavs can't win without Superman LeBron
                                      All great genius encounters violent opposition from mediocre minds

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                                      • #20
                                        Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                        GBred, another chance to see reality play out.

                                        Gm2 price set around pk-em.

                                        Adjusted series price is now: Clev -125, Bost +105

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                                        • #21
                                          Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                          Originally posted by kane View Post
                                          Chucky, the Ainge /Stevens combo is the best in the NBA. The other top duo's are Buford/Pop, Myers/Kerr, Riley/Spo, Morey/Dantoni, and Lindsey/Snyder
                                          Kane, StASmith had a great video roasting PHI HC Brown. It's rare that u credit an NBA HC for a series win and his adversary for a Loss. But that's what happened.

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                                          • #22
                                            Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                            Originally posted by kane View Post
                                            Other than Lebron, the Celtics have the better player at every other position, they also have home court, and the much better coach. LeBron has to be great, there's no one else who can take up the slack if he has an off game. I don't know who wins the series, but I know the Cavs can't win without Superman LeBron
                                            Incorrect. This should read, "The much, much better coach."

                                            The only problem for you now is, where do you go from here? You already got your, "Coach game." Going in, I was going to hand you a game on that fact alone. I thought it would go 5 originally, I'll update it to 6.
                                            Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                            • #23
                                              Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                              How about what Marcus Morris said recently: Nobody except for Kawhi Leonard guards LeBron James like I do.

                                              James claimed after the Game 1 loss: "I have zero level of concern at this stage."

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                                              • #24
                                                Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
                                                GBred, another chance to see reality play out.

                                                Gm2 price set around pk-em.

                                                Adjusted series price is now: Clev -125, Bost +105
                                                PK? Shouldn't this be around 2 for Cle?

                                                Thanks for the series updates.
                                                Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                • #25
                                                  Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                  Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
                                                  How about what Marcus Morris said recently: Nobody except for Kawhi Leonard guards LeBron James like I do.

                                                  James claimed after the Game 1 loss: "I have zero level of concern at this stage."
                                                  We are from the same cosmic egg; I'm just not concerned at this point at all. Even if they lose game 2, I'm going to hold the line. If they go down 0-3, then we have a fucking problem
                                                  Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                  • #26
                                                    Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                    Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                                    PK? Shouldn't this be around 2 for Cle?

                                                    Thanks for the series updates.
                                                    Based solely on situation sure, 2 maybe even Cle 2.5. However Bos stock especially home stock increased again with this performance. I do like Cle at Pk for game 2 but I understand why it is where it is.

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                                                    • #27
                                                      Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                      Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                                      PK? Shouldn't this be around 2 for Cle?

                                                      Thanks for the series updates.
                                                      If u believe in the zig-zag theory, I would say Yes. Not sure how market operates nowadays.

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                                                      • #28
                                                        Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                        Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                                        Based solely on situation sure, 2 maybe even Cle 2.5. However Bos stock especially home stock increased again with this performance. I do like Cle at Pk for game 2 but I understand why it is where it is.

                                                        Boston this postseason improved to 8-0 straight-up and against the spread in home games.

                                                        Thanks for dinner last night, Ray.

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                                                        • #29
                                                          Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                          Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                                          Based solely on situation sure, 2 maybe even Cle 2.5. However Bos stock especially home stock increased again with this performance. I do like Cle at Pk for game 2 but I understand why it is where it is.
                                                          Recency Bias in full affect. Bos is a really good team, no doubt about but Cle's A-Game trumps theirs which is why I am thinking Cle - 2 to -2' is Fair. Who knows, Cle is impossible to price anyway, at least game-to-game.
                                                          Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                          • #30
                                                            Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                            Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
                                                            If u believe in the zig-zag theory, I would say Yes. Not sure how market operates nowadays.
                                                            Wasn't thinking zig-zag but I guess that's what it amounts to. I just think they have a better A-Game.
                                                            Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                            • #31
                                                              Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                              Originally posted by ChuckyG View Post
                                                              GBred, another chance to see reality play out.

                                                              Gm2 price set around pk-em.

                                                              Adjusted series price is now: Clev -125, Bost +105
                                                              Series price seems low. After Boston won game 1 against Phily they were still a series dog of +185. They're gaining respect and deserve it. I like the Celtics in this series. I think price goes up and I will wait.
                                                              "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                                                              • #32
                                                                Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                                                Recency Bias in full affect. Bos is a really good team, no doubt about but Cle's A-Game trumps theirs which is why I am thinking Cle - 2 to -2' is Fair. Who knows, Cle is impossible to price anyway, at least game-to-game.
                                                                I think the scariest part of the game tonight for Cle backers is the way Boston defended Lebron. They decided to do all they could to take Lebron out of the game and they were successful beyond what I thought possible. Despite Cle shooting poorly they will still have to make some real adjustments if they want to be successful in this series.

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                                                                • #33
                                                                  Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                  Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
                                                                  Boston this postseason improved to 8-0 straight-up and against the spread in home games.

                                                                  Thanks for dinner last night, Ray.
                                                                  Any time John. Enjoyed it.

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                                                                  • #34
                                                                    Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                    Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                                                    I think the scariest part of the game tonight for Cle backers is the way Boston defended Lebron. They decided to do all they could to take Lebron out of the game and they were successful beyond what I thought possible. Despite Cle shooting poorly they will still have to make some real adjustments if they want to be successful in this series.
                                                                    I'm just not scared, which scares me. I think they know they are better than this team and for whatever reason it manifested itself in an Ass-kicking. Now, the attitude is, let's go out and prove we are better; which I believe they are and they will. If I'm wrong, there is a first time for everything
                                                                    Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                    • #35
                                                                      Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                      Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                                                      I'm just not scared, which scares me. I think they know they are better than this team and for whatever reason it manifested itself in an Ass-kicking. Now, the attitude is, let's go out and prove we are better; which I believe they are and they will. If I'm wrong, there is a first time for everything
                                                                      I bet them game 2 so I agree but I'm not firing like a really mean it lol.

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                                                                      • #36
                                                                        Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                        Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                                                        I bet them game 2 so I agree but I'm not firing like a really mean it lol.
                                                                        Save that shit for the Finals!!!
                                                                        Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                        • #37
                                                                          Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                          Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                                                          I bet them game 2 so I agree but I'm not firing like a really mean it lol.
                                                                          It sounds strange to say, but Boston got their attention. They still may lose Game 2 but I don't see them losing the Series. I think they win Game 2 but however it plays out, they only need 1 win in Boston and I think they take care of HC.
                                                                          Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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                                                                          • #38
                                                                            Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                            Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                                                            I think the scariest part of the game tonight for Cle backers is the way Boston defended Lebron. They decided to do all they could to take Lebron out of the game and they were successful beyond what I thought possible. Despite Cle shooting poorly they will still have to make some real adjustments if they want to be successful in this series.
                                                                            Yeah. The C's play solid team defense. If you can force LeBron to take perimeter shots, you can frustrate him if he's not playing out of his mind.

                                                                            If I was a Cavs backer, I'd be more concerned about their defense than their offense. How many teams are you going to beat when allowing 60+ points in the paint?

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                                                                            • #39
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                                                                              Originally posted by GameBred View Post
                                                                              Save that shit for the Finals!!!
                                                                              Lol. Won't catch me doing that either. I'm a big Gol St guy. I truly don't think sabermetrics/ or any other math model can quantify how good Gol St really is. Now Gol st -170 series vs the Rockets? I bet that like a fucking meant it. Keep in mind I've lost tons of bets that I've made with authority lol.

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                                                                              • #40
                                                                                Re: Another NBA head-scratcher

                                                                                Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                                                                Lol. Won't catch me doing that either. I'm a big Gol St guy. I truly don't think sabermetrics/ or any other math model can quantify how good Gol St really is. Now Gol st -170 series vs the Rockets? I bet that like a fucking meant it. Keep in mind I've lost tons of bets that I've made with authority lol.
                                                                                LOL. I know, I know. You'll fucking unload on those Born of Woman, Nerds, the first chance you get if they play Cle

                                                                                Full Disclosure: If/when Cavs get there, I may come right out of the box w/ a speech
                                                                                Men are born for games. Nothing else... the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the pride of victory & the humiliation of defeat; which are themselves sufficient stake... But trial of chance or worth, all games aspire to the condition of war, for here, that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

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