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  • #81
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    A state should hire Pinnacle employees as consultants.

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    • #82
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      Originally posted by TheGuesser View Post
      Depends on the pool it goes into. If Will Hill is running it in both states, I suspect it goes into the common Will Hill pool, same as throughout Nevada. But it'll be fun to see how this all plays out.
      Hopefully that's not the case. Would be nice to have 30 or so outs on a weekend. You could set up a network shopping for lines taking the best each state has to offer. This really has some tremendous potential.
      I LET THE DOGS OUT

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      • #83
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        Originally posted by Valuist View Post
        Hatch is from Utah. They would be the last state to offer sports betting. No big deal. I also think you will never see it in Hawaii.
        Yeah, UT and HI most anti-gambling states in the Union. Was told by guy that there are some underground poker games in Honolulu.

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        • #84
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          Originally posted by Valuist View Post
          I think Disney and ESPN will be big winners in this. ESPN's subscriber numbers have been falling the past couple years. Have to believe this could put a stop to that.


          Definitely. If they market it correctly, like having a daily half hour or hour show about the betting opportunities. They have shitty shows about nothing anyway... may as well do something productive. Gotta wonder if they will try to buy out VSIN or the action network...

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          • #85
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            Originally posted by blueline View Post
            Nebraska governor against it

            Sounds like there are still a lot of states against it... I’m lucky to be within 2 hours of 6 different states that will offer it within the next year or so... nj, pa, ny, ct, ri and mass. My current state (ct) should have it going in no time.

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            • #86
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              Originally posted by BenoitPaire View Post
              Definitely. If they market it correctly, like having a daily half hour or hour show about the betting opportunities. They have shitty shows about nothing anyway... may as well do something productive. Gotta wonder if they will try to buy out VSIN or the action network...
              Eat and Bet with The Meatman. Could be simulcast on the Food Network.

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              • #87
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                Mebbe VSiN could buy ESPN . . .
                Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                • #88
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                  Originally posted by BenoitPaire View Post
                  Sounds like there are still a lot of states against it... I’m lucky to be within 2 hours of 6 different states that will offer it within the next year or so... nj, pa, ny, ct, ri and mass. My current state (ct) should have it going in no time.
                  Hard to see the forest for the trees. Normalization of gambling is happening, and has accelerated, almost everywhere in America. This has mirrored the waning influence of churches, especially among younger people.

                  In Houston right now, there are multiple "legal" poker clubs. They are advertising on radio. One of them is listed under the "food" sign on I-610, the big loop around Houston's city area. These places are operating on the margins of the law by requiring daily membership fees, but they're just really expensive poker rooms at this point. Playing real games. And they're full. This isn't an underground Chinatown game, either. It's within a mile of one of the biggest malls in America. It's across the street from Whole Foods. It has a valet and an off-duty sheriff's works, in uniform, inside the room. My home game in Houston is going away because of it. The game's operator, who has been one of the best in town for a decade, shut down one of his days and talked to me about doing something different soon.

                  Casinos are popping up everywhere. Odds and lines are becoming a part of sports commentary in a much more open way. The sports leagues have changed their tune.

                  Anecdotally, my formerly hyper-conservative Baptist mother, from South Carolina, who once got so mad at finding my offshore account that she didn't want to talk to me for weeks, called me last November to ask me for picks for a free entry football pool in the local newspaper. She was giddy when she won $50, even though it meant they posted her name as the winner.

                  Laws have a way of normalizing things rather than the other way around. Governments are sources of EXTREME authority. Whey they sanction something (or do the opposite), it signals bigly that the something is appropriate. That's why this matters.

                  After a couple of years, when ESPN is REALLY talking about betting. And the state next to yours has betting and the world doesn't explode. And people learn that it's ok for people to bet $50 on their favorite team without them turning into Satan, more states will around. It wasn't really all that long ago that this country banned alcohol. Cultures can shift in a hurry, and this one is well on its way.

                  Old foagies and cockheads who appeal to old foagies still dominate state legislatures, which was incredibly regressive. But this is changing with every old, close-minded fuck that dies off. The most encouraging thing for the expansion of freedom is that Republicanism on some level is shifting away from religious right domination and Democraticism is shifting away from nanny-stating. Both parties have more of a populist/libertarian strain among the younger adherents.

                  I know in South Carolina, the Democratic state senators I might have expected to play the nanny state card are leading the fight for legalized sports gambling, calling out the Republicans there for giving up potential revenue. Sports betting and betting at large has for decades run into resistance because it was like the one area where both parties could find common ground (for different reasons). This is changing, even though it may be hard to see it that way.

                  I'm not sure you'll ever see state-legalized sports betting in Utah. But I wouldn't put it past some of the Southern states where the demographics and dynamics are changing. It remains to be seen how "conservatives" respond to issues like this in the future when that generation of conservatives hasn't been brain-washed by shitty churches.

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                  • #89
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                    Not all that long ago South Carolina had video poker. The goofy looking yellow buildings still dot the state line especially the NC border. Despite its bible thumping reputation SC has been progressive when looking at gambling to replace revenue from the textile industry collapsing.

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                    • #90
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                      Originally posted by Almost Allright View Post
                      Not all that long ago South Carolina had video poker. The goofy looking yellow buildings still dot the state line especially the NC border. Despite its bible thumping reputation SC has been progressive when looking at gambling to replace revenue from the textile industry collapsing.
                      I know a guy who spent two years researching places to retire. He checked into everything, except gambling because he didn't gamble. He ended up moving to Greenville SC. I kind of dismissed it due to no gambling possibilities. I may need to re-think it. Cost of living there very, very reasonable but home prices starting to climb.

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                      • #91
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                        Originally posted by Valuist View Post
                        I know a guy who spent two years researching places to retire. He checked into everything, except gambling because he didn't gamble. He ended up moving to Greenville SC. I kind of dismissed it due to no gambling possibilities. I may need to re-think it. Cost of living there very, very reasonable but home prices starting to climb.
                        Options now are lotto. They killed the video poker thing after several years. There is a Harrah’s hundred miles north in NC. Talk of another in NC only an hour drive. Back to the video poker, some of the worst pay tables ever when it was up and running.

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                        • #92
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                          Looks like Memorial Day the 28th will be the first day.

                          I will try to get there and report if I can

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                          • #93
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                            Originally posted by ChiTownJoe View Post
                            Will Pinnacle allow US customers now?
                            Don't think anything has changed there so I'd say no.

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                            • #94
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                              The legal rules that prompted Pinnacle to cease US operations were unaffected by yesterday's Supreme Court decision.

                              After yesterday's decision, states now can legalize sports betting within their respective jurisdictions -- not across state or international lines. That's all the decision changes by holding that PASPA -- not any other federal statute affecting sports betting -- is unconstitutional.
                              Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                              • #95
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                                Originally posted by raycabino View Post
                                Don't think anything has changed there so I'd say no.
                                With BITCOIN coming onto the scene, Pinnacle could have been taking US customers for a long time now... They apparently don't want us.

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                                • #96
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                                  Originally posted by njdave View Post
                                  Looks like Memorial Day the 28th will be the first day.

                                  I will try to get there and report if I can


                                  but who is paying the extra tax NJ wants ? player or book ?

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                                  • #97
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                                    Best as I recall, Top, NJ hasn't passed that law with an extra tax as yet.

                                    So neither.

                                    Bills are not laws.
                                    Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                                    • #98
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                                      Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                                      • #99
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                                        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-legal-betting




                                        this came in early today

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                                        • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                          May 28th open for sports
                                          Monmouth
                                          Lick my ice cream and kiss my pinky ring

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                                            https://www.northjersey.com/story/sp...day/610634002/

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                                            • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                              Originally posted by Ray Luca View Post
                                              May 28th open for sports
                                              Monmouth
                                              Place will be PACKED
                                              ​STAY FOCUSED

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                                              • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                CA they say is a few years away as the issue will have to go to popular vote, then the state will need to get their hands in the mix and f-it-up, so likely 3 years under current conditions, and that is a big stretch, but having starved liberals running CA which needs tax dollars at all cost, look for it to happen.

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                                                  Originally posted by FISHHEAD View Post
                                                  Place will be PACKED
                                                  Pricing -110 ..Dimeline MLB ?

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                                                  • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                    Originally posted by Ray Luca View Post
                                                    May 28th open for sports
                                                    Monmouth
                                                    I never thought that would ever be a reality. Really. Different times today. I love gambling and I love watching sports. Great for us gamblers and fans. It’s so monumental.

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                                                      Before I pop the cork do we have a idea pricing structure..Heard a Will-Hill spokesperson on about 5 shows ..how their ready to go 13 days blah blah..not one mention of pricing..

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                                                        The 3 SCUMBAG Liberals voted no.In dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the court had erred by using a "wrecking ball" to destroy the 1992 federal law. "Congress permissibly exercised its authority to regulate commerce by instructing the states and private parties to refrain from operating sports-gambling schemes," she wrote. Justice Sonia Sotomayor agreed, and Justice Stephen G. Breyer agreed in part with her dissent.

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                                                        • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                          Don't know how they open and take bets without a set of rules and regulations in place that have been approved by the state.

                                                          Consider me a skeptic. The way the ruling came down, the states can operate in place of any federal regs being in place. Much like what happened with UIGEA, would it shock you if they snuck some prohibition clause into a federal budget plan at the last minute that needed to pass that night and this was all a big waste of time?

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                                                            Buying some Boyd Gaming and Caesers stocks today.
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                                                            • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                              Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
                                                              A state should hire Pinnacle employees as consultants.
                                                              if it were 2005, the current pinnacle employees are not that sharp

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                                                              • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                                Lets see if this happens....

                                                                Legal sports betting in N.J. set to launch on Memorial Day May 28th at Monmouth Park NJ

                                                                http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/05/just_in_time_for_summer_sports_betting_at_monmouth.html

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                                                                • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                                  Another link...

                                                                  http://www.njbiz.com/article/2018051...betting-may-28

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                                                                  • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                                    Former Raiders LB Napoleon Harris is now a Senator in Illinois. His proposal is outlandish: 12.5% tax on all revenues on top of an integrity fee.

                                                                    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ports-betting/

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                                                                    • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                                      Originally posted by Valuist View Post
                                                                      Former Raiders LB Napoleon Harris is now a Senator in Illinois. His proposal is outlandish: 12.5% tax on all revenues on top of an integrity fee.

                                                                      https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ports-betting/
                                                                      Don't worry...they will give out 1free drink ticket

                                                                      😊

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                                                                        Originally posted by MrTop View Post
                                                                        Don't worry...they will give out 1free drink ticket

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                                                                        ​STAY FOCUSED

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                                                                          Watch them put taxes on everything..and nobody bets...lol

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                                                                          • Re: Supreme Court rules with NJ

                                                                            Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                                                                            With BITCOIN coming onto the scene, Pinnacle could have been taking US customers for a long time now... They apparently don't want us.
                                                                            I said a long time ago. US. players beat them up on US. sports. The sharps vs. the big 3. They would rather book European and S. American soccer.

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                                                                              Originally posted by JavyBaez9 View Post
                                                                              With BITCOIN coming onto the scene, Pinnacle could have been taking US customers for a long time now... They apparently don't want us.
                                                                              Lets leave aside for just a second the notion that Pinny might not want to run afoul of the hyper-aggressive US government.

                                                                              On a much more business-focused note, why on earth would Pinny want to get in the Bitcoin business? They take a $1000 bitcoin deposit from a donkey bettor. Said donkey bets badly & Pinny nets $1000, right? Nope. Pinny gets whatever they can cash out their bitcoin deposit back into dollars, which given recent bitcoin volatility may be anywhere from a $4000 loss to a $4000 gain at any given moment.

                                                                              Its not all "they don't want us". Bitcoin is great for speculation, but until it stabilizes as a currency, it sucks for business. Its like funding your account with a penny stock. I realize bettors get all wiggly on shit like that ("i might make even more!"), but its a terrible business decision.

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                                                                                Originally posted by Valuist View Post
                                                                                I know a guy who spent two years researching places to retire. He checked into everything, except gambling because he didn't gamble. He ended up moving to Greenville SC. I kind of dismissed it due to no gambling possibilities. I may need to re-think it. Cost of living there very, very reasonable but home prices starting to climb.
                                                                                VAL:

                                                                                Saw your post. A few comments:

                                                                                1) What type of weather do u prefer? Columbia/Greenville area is an oven in middle of summer. For me, the worst weather. Feels like you're sitting on top of a skittle. South Carolina weather vastly different Coast vs Inland.

                                                                                2) Gaming options maybe not too bad. Not THAT long of a drive to Cherokee NC. And I believe that Harrah's recently opened another property in NC.

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                                                                                  Originally posted by Valuist View Post
                                                                                  Former Raiders LB Napoleon Harris is now a Senator in Illinois. His proposal is outlandish: 12.5% tax on all revenues on top of an integrity fee.

                                                                                  https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ports-betting/
                                                                                  Need to have someone w/ a clue talk about this. Really, very few in the know.

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