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  • #41
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    We don't know if that days games will be up at 8am...just means the doors are open

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    • #42
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      Originally posted by TobyTyler View Post
      We don't know if that days games will be up at 8am...just means the doors are open


      roxy said many years ago he wanted to move LVSC to east coast if it ever went to NJ. Matter of fact I think he said he was looking for real estate. How long before Cantor , paddy power & MGM start putting pressure on Offshore ?

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      • #43
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        Originally posted by MrTop View Post
        so that means with squarepants info the lines in NJ will be out before Las vegas . 8am NJ time is 5am las vegas


        has the balance shifted ? what is Las vegas game plan?
        NJ books won't put out any new lines at 8am ET. They may use the baseball overnights at low limits, offshore lines, or just keep games off the board until Nevada opens.

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        • #44
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          Originally posted by ComptrBob View Post
          NJ books won't put out any new lines at 8am ET. They may use the baseball overnights at low limits, offshore lines, or just keep games off the board until Nevada opens.


          no plans in the future ? what if cantor moved HQ ?

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          • #45
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            The early 8am ET openings are only for Sat and Sun AM when lines are essentially already set in football and with overnights. Of course, NJ books may shade some of their lines or eventually take large enough bets that move some Nevada books or even offshore "on air". Time will tell, but I doubt if NJ takes any sort of a "lead" on putting out lines.

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            • #46
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              CB 5 years ago i disagreed with you on N.J. getting sports betting before the metlife superbowl. You were correct. I was off by 5 years or so . Timing was way off . You factored in the attorneys I did not.
              I respectfully disagree with you on N.J. not taking the lead with putting out the lines before vegas not this year but somewhere before or at KO of superbowl 2019-20.
              Here is my conspiracy if cantor is not sold and if they still give the line to some of las vegas sports books currently they move their HQ so any of the NJ can open earlier to get the bettors in AC and up northern Jersey 3 full hour jump on business which they do not have as of now. I will also throw in paddy power , which i have no idea where they are getting their lines from will want to open 3 hours early at the meadowlands to get a jump on business. Offshore will still be the first one to post openers .

              what is your opinion how NJ gets their lines in the 1st place ??? must come by data lines correct ? how are they not in violation of the wire act as of tomorrow.

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              • #47
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                Borgata (no surprise) starting it up in AC at 11am Thursday morning.

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                • #48
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                  No way they can screw it up any worse than Delaware. How stupid are these people?
                  https://www.gamingtoday.com/race_spo...sports_bettors

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                  • #49
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                    William Hill US Retweeted Steve Edelson‏ @steveedelsonapp 6h6 hours ago

                    NJ sports betting: Complete list of sports betting options at Monmouth Park https://on.app.com/2Mmqeu9 via @asburyparkpress

                    https://www.app.com/story/sports/201...ark/697702002/
                    Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                    • #50
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                      So, if I'm a multi-jurisdictional sports book operator with exposure in both Nevada and on the East Coast, does my overall market open on a weekend football morning when my East Coast books open at 8 am ET there (5am PT) or instead when my Nevada books open at 8 am PT?

                      If the answer is 8 am ET, then if I'm the head linesmaker/risk manager for the overall outfit, do I want to live somewhere where my overall market opens at 5 am my time or 8 am my time?

                      I'm not much of a morning person, unless it involves room service for two at the Mandarin Oriental, with someone who understands that the three most important words in the world are "here's your coffee." (just can't figure out why I'm still single . . . )

                      So, for me, if I've got to get up and start assessing risk, I want to do it with my market opening at 8 am my time rather than 5 am.

                      It's why I have considered in passing doing football offseasons back east so that stock market regular trading hours would start at 930 am local rather than 630 am local for me.
                      Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                      • #51
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                        Originally posted by Bfo View Post
                        No way they can screw it up any worse than Delaware. How stupid are these people?
                        https://www.gamingtoday.com/race_spo...sports_bettors
                        Any brand new business will have its startup costs and learning curves.

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                        • #52
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                          Originally posted by Biff41 View Post
                          Any brand new business will have its startup costs and learning curves.
                          Perfectly understandable, but whoever made the decision to shut off all the TVs in the 4th quarter of an NBA Finals game should be fired and never allowed to be involved in the sportsbook business ever again.

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                          • #53
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                            Originally posted by ComptrBob View Post
                            10pm PT is 1am ET.

                            Understood.

                            But I've seen so many sports books in Nevada close before they should.

                            Terrible customer service.

                            South Point has the right idea by going 24 hours.

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                            • #54
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                              Originally posted by John Kelly View Post
                              Understood.

                              But I've seen so many sports books in Nevada close before they should.

                              Terrible customer service.

                              South Point has the right idea by going 24 hours.
                              I don’t suspect the book itself does much business between midnight and 8:00am, except maybe on football weekends.

                              The real advantage for SP may come by being able to keep closer tabs on what’s going on offshore during that time, so as not to be caught with their pants down at open.

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                              • #55
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                                Originally posted by ejd_5277 View Post
                                I don’t suspect the book itself does much business between midnight and 8:00am, except maybe on football weekends.

                                The real advantage for SP may come by being able to keep closer tabs on what’s going on offshore during that time, so as not to be caught with their pants down at open.
                                Nah, they’re not putting nearly that much thought into it, I suspect it’s mostly for the publicity and the tradition of being the only one open 24 hours that they continue doing it.

                                Them monitoring odds offshore is kind of laughable when they are the ones notorious for being caught sleeping with stale numbers on futures. A case in point is they had Nevada at 50-1 to win the NCAA BB title a few weeks ago when everyone else in town was half that.

                                Stuff like that should never happen if you are open 24 hours, what the hell else does your night supervisor have to do in the middle of the night but go over futures pricing?

                                Actually it would be impossible to get caught with your pants down upon opening in a Vegas book. The first thing the morning guy does is open the screen and adjust the numbers to account for any moves overnight. Those stale limes from the night before are never even accessible to the public.

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                                • #56
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                                  if you plug monmouth park into twitter lots of updates

                                  WH CEO is there , Darren Rovell, Christie and crew, etc

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                                  • #57
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                                    and of course Stu Feiner

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                                          • #61
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                                            • #62
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                                              all of them are there for one reason. To see stu feiner


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                                              • #63
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                                                Originally posted by ejd_5277 View Post
                                                I don’t suspect the book itself does much business between midnight and 8:00am, except maybe on football weekends.

                                                The real advantage for SP may come by being able to keep closer tabs on what’s going on offshore during that time, so as not to be caught with their pants down at open.
                                                Originally posted by Bfo View Post
                                                Nah, they’re not putting nearly that much thought into it, I suspect it’s mostly for the publicity and the tradition of being the only one open 24 hours that they continue doing it.

                                                Them monitoring odds offshore is kind of laughable when they are the ones notorious for being caught sleeping with stale numbers on futures. A case in point is they had Nevada at 50-1 to win the NCAA BB title a few weeks ago when everyone else in town was half that.

                                                Stuff like that should never happen if you are open 24 hours, what the hell else does your night supervisor have to do in the middle of the night but go over futures pricing?

                                                Actually it would be impossible to get caught with your pants down upon opening in a Vegas book. The first thing the morning guy does is open the screen and adjust the numbers to account for any moves overnight. Those stale limes from the night before are never even accessible to the public.
                                                All great points, Bfo. Thanks for chiming in

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                                                • #64
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                                                  ocean resort casino sports book will be william hill

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                                                  • #65
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                                                    Originally posted by TobyTyler View Post

                                                    Pretty much emptied out an hour after opening. One big issue that will need to be addressed if they want people to spend time there. There needs to be more seating. There is seating in the 'sports bar' area, but aside from that nothing.

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                                                    • #66
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                                                      sports betting in NJ will be online in 30 days which will empty some of the crowd .

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                                                      • #67
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                                                        Originally posted by Scatana Fas View Post
                                                        Pretty much emptied out an hour after opening. One big issue that will need to be addressed if they want people to spend time there. There needs to be more seating. There is seating in the 'sports bar' area, but aside from that nothing.
                                                        Yup, spot on. There is seating upstairs but its not a bar with tvs and no board with lines.

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                                                        • #68
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                                                          Literally just had a non betting buddy text me saying "Giants are 35-1 what a great # lets put something on it"

                                                          They will get that action from casual guys throwing a hundred on those who dont play offshore, dont know its a bad line, and dont really care.

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                                                          • #69
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                                                            Originally posted by TobyTyler View Post
                                                            Literally just had a non betting buddy text me saying "Giants are 35-1 what a great # lets put something on it"

                                                            They will get that action from casual guys throwing a hundred on those who dont play offshore, dont know its a bad line, and dont really care.

                                                            people bet 1000's not knowing what the line is too.

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                                                            • #70
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                                                              wow, great stuff tt......

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                                                              • #71
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                                                                Originally posted by TobyTyler View Post
                                                                Yup, spot on. There is seating upstairs but its not a bar with tvs and no board with lines.

                                                                They are going to do something upstairs with the book, according to the bartender in the clubhouse.

                                                                I got there at 2:15 and the bar area was packed & they had 5 or 6 windows open.

                                                                Outside, they had about 15 windows open and no lines.

                                                                I'm sure they will have fewer tellers tomorrow.

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                                                                • #72
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                                                                  Thanks for the report, Fifty.

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                                                                  • #73
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                                                                    Originally posted by TobyTyler View Post
                                                                    Literally just had a non betting buddy text me saying "Giants are 35-1 what a great # lets put something on it"

                                                                    They will get that action from casual guys throwing a hundred on those who dont play offshore, dont know its a bad line, and dont really care.

                                                                    Thanks for the eyewitness account, TT.

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                                                                    • #74
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                                                                      Originally posted by TobyTyler View Post
                                                                      Cool pics Tobe!

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                                                                      • #75
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                                                                        Are these lines identical to the William Hill Lines in Delaware and the William Hill Lines in Nevada? Common Pool throughout the US?

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                                                                        • #76
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                                                                          I wasn't there! Pics from twitta

                                                                          Will be there one day next week

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                                                                          • #77
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                                                                            Originally posted by TobyTyler View Post
                                                                            I wasn't there! Pics from twitta

                                                                            Will be there one day next week

                                                                            Got it.

                                                                            Enjoy your trip.

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                                                                            • #78
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                                                                              On Father's Day, it's always good to remember that there's still a few mothers around (like the guy at the end of the article):

                                                                              https://deadspin.com/you-can-t-bet-o...the-1826862724

                                                                              (via an @DavidPurdum retweet)

                                                                              Good thing is, the new books have until late August to work all the kinks out and get everything set up just right before football season.

                                                                              I imagine that -- like in Nevada -- the silly rules about not being able to bet on in-state college teams will fall by the wayside eventually, even if state legislative action is required ("the law is just a reed in the wind").

                                                                              Sure hope this provides a boost to horse racing.
                                                                              Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                                                                              • #79
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                                                                                The motto for Cherry Hill, New Jersey, the site of the former Garden State Park Racetrack (basically right next to Philadelphia, PA, and only 2 hours from NYC):

                                                                                "You couldn't pick a better place."

                                                                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_Hill,_New_Jersey
                                                                                Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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                                                                                • #80
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                                                                                  (The motto perhaps may have been framed instead as a question in the past.)
                                                                                  Never confuse price with value, consensus with wisdom, or conformity with courage.

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