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  • #41
    Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

    Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
    Excellent points Taylor...The only thing I'll say is that if Cutler hasn't learned a thing or two by now (this is his 9th year in the nfl), he isn't learning anything. He is who he is. Years 10-15 is usually when qb's start to decline.

    That's what puts me off...It's his 9th year, you'd figure he would realize that just slinging the ball without thinking would hurt the team more than help...But no.

    Who knows maybe this year could be the turn around. only 2 picks thru 3 games is pretty good for a guy like him. So maybe he has learned something and he's just good at hiding it from us.

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    • #42
      Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

      Bears have faced Manuel, Smith along with Kaep and the underachieving Niner offense. Will be exposed here and 2 weeks from now in Atlanta. 49 was a soft number considering GB gets 30+

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      • #43
        Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

        Originally posted by hustledouble View Post
        Probably 6 or 7? Can't win the Superbowl with the 8th best QB and that defense.
        Why can't you? WHere did you have R Wilson last season?
        Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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        • #44
          Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

          Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
          Entering this season. Cutler with the Bears is 39-28 (decent), 60.4% completions (very average), 101 tds 75 ints (very average), 219 yards per game (very average). 81.8 qbr (very average).

          Those numbers tell me he is a SLIGHTLY better than average qb. He does have a great arm but absolutely no intangibles.

          Delete his 1st year with Bears "2009" he has a 34-20 current won loss record. Not sure what intangiibles are missing. I believe his leadership is questioned, his smarts, what else? Please give example of intangibles that Foles, Stafford, etc have that Cutler is lacking? P.S. FWIW Cutler graduated from Vanderbilt. Vandy is considered a top academic school.
          "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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          • #45
            Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

            You cant just delete certain games/years. Heck if you want to delete things, lets delete his 101 td's in a Bears uniform, then his td to int ratio is 0-75.


            Also, as far as Vandy being a top academic school, I'm sure Cutler showed up to class and completed all courses without any "help", just like all top collegiate athletes do.
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            • #46
              Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

              I'm deleting his Lovie years

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              • #47
                Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                ALso, look what happened the one time Cutler got hurt. Their bum backup stepped in and performed even better and led the team to a better W/L record than Cutler did last year. Something like 12-1 td/int ratio and a higher completion %. And a better team W/L record.

                Cutler was easily replaced last year.
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                • #48
                  Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                  Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                  You cant just delete certain games/years. Heck if you want to delete things, lets delete his 101 td's in a Bears uniform, then his td to int ratio is 0-75.


                  Also, as far as Vandy being a top academic school, I'm sure Cutler showed up to class and completed all courses without any "help", just like all top collegiate athletes do.

                  You can argue 2009 was a rebuilding year, a new QB, new relationship, new system for Cutler to adjust too. On top of all this Cutler doesn't possess those intangibles so his initial year in a new system can be deleted for this analysis. Please recompute all your stats after removing the 2009 season.
                  "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                  • #49
                    Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                    now McCown is better than Cutler?

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                    • #50
                      Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                      Bears were 2-2 with Josh McCown starting last year. It wasn't the QB that killed their season, it was the horrible run defense.
                      Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                      • #51
                        Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                        Of course McCown isn't better than Cutler. I'm saying the Bears didn't miss a beat when Cutler got hurt. And I believe that the Bears were 3-2 with Mccown as starter and 5-6 with Cutler last year.

                        Also, how many CAREER playoff wins does Cutler have? I believe the answer is 1 and it was against a 7-9 Seattle team in 2010. Name any other elite qb who has been in the NFL for 9+ years that has only 1 career playoff win?

                        He's an average/slightly above average qb, that's it.
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                        • #52
                          Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                          The fact he did as well as he did during the Lovie years given the hand he was dealt is a testament to his ability. Would he be my first choice if I needed to win one game..no but he would be my choice over many other QBs.

                          For me it's the equivalent of a barn change for a horse. He's in a new barn now let's see what the new trainer can do with him.

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                          • #53
                            Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                            Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                            Of course McCown isn't better than Cutler. I'm saying the Bears didn't miss a beat when Cutler got hurt. And I believe that the Bears were 3-2 with Mccown as starter and 5-6 with Cutler last year.

                            Also, how many CAREER playoff wins does Cutler have? I believe the answer is 1 and it was against a 7-9 Seattle team in 2010. Name any other elite qb who has been in the NFL for 9+ years that has only 1 career playoff win?

                            He's an average/slightly above average qb, that's it.
                            McCown was 3-2, missed an earlier game.

                            You don't need an elite QB to win a SB if the rest of your team is strong.
                            Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                            • #54
                              Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                              Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                              ALso, look what happened the one time Cutler got hurt. Their bum backup stepped in and performed even better and led the team to a better W/L record than Cutler did last year. Something like 12-1 td/int ratio and a higher completion %. And a better team W/L record.

                              Cutler was easily replaced last year.
                              Very misleading comment. Bears were 3-2 in games started by backup. 1 of the 3 wins was an absolute gift. Referees absolutely screwed Green Bay when the Bears won 27-20 in Lambeau. Another win was at Soldier Field in the slop with a rain delay beating Balt 23-20 in Ot "another lucky win". Backup's 3rd win was 45-28 win at home against the worst defense around the "Dallas Cowboys. Most of the offesnsive stats were inflated by this win and his performace as a sub against the Redskins in a game the Bears lost 45-41. Sample size is way to small "5 games" and stats are very misleading, to place any value on your comment. Also proof that your comment is misleading look at the backup's record this year. Bears were bad last. It didn't matter who the quarterback was. Yes in this situation he was easily replaced. But this doesn't mean McCown is a better QB and doesn't mean that Cutler is always easily replaced. Lot's of intangibles have to be factored in before any value can be placed on your comment.
                              "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                              • #55
                                Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                Originally posted by blueline View Post
                                The fact he did as well as he did during the Lovie years given the hand he was dealt is a testament to his ability. Would he be my first choice if I needed to win one game..no but he would be my choice over many other QBs.

                                For me it's the equivalent of a barn change for a horse. He's in a new barn now let's see what the new trainer can do with him.
                                I like the barn change analogy.

                                But between Cutler being in a high powered offense in Denver and his numerous offensive coordinators in Chicago, how many barn changes does this guy need? Eventually the trainer of the horse will say, hmm maybe its not the trainer, maybe its that the horse just isn't that good.
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                                • #56
                                  Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                  Originally posted by Bigrunner View Post
                                  Very misleading comment. Bears were 3-2 in games started by backup. 1 of the 3 wins was an absolute gift. Referees absolutely screwed Green Bay when the Bears won 27-20 in Lambeau. Another win was at Soldier Field in the slop with a rain delay beating Balt 23-20 in Ot "another lucky win". Backup's 3rd win was 45-28 win at home against the worst defense around the "Dallas Cowboys. Most of the offesnsive stats were inflated by this win and his performace as a sub against the Redskins in a game the Bears lost 45-41. Sample size is way to small "5 games" and stats are very misleading, to place any value on your comment. Also proof that your comment is misleading look at the backup's record this year. Bears were bad last. It didn't matter who the quarterback was. Yes in this situation he was easily replaced. But this doesn't mean McCown is a better QB and doesn't mean that Cutler is always easily replaced. Lot's of intangibles have to be factored in for your comment to carry any value.
                                  You just made my point for me. Look how bad of a qb Mccown is...and the Bears didn't miss a beat going from Cutler to Mccown.

                                  You guys didn't answer my earlier question...you guys think Cutler is a top tier qb, name 1 other top qb that has been in the league 9+ years that only has 1 playoff win (he's lucky they got Seattle in that game or he would most likely be at 0)? Can you really come up with 9 years of excuses?
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                                  • #57
                                    Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                    Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                                    I like the barn change analogy.

                                    But between Cutler being in a high powered offense in Denver and his numerous offensive coordinators in Chicago, how many barn changes does this guy need? Eventually the trainer of the horse will say, hmm maybe its not the trainer, maybe its that the horse just isn't that good.
                                    look at the hand he was dealt here with the previous regime
                                    now he has the tools to succeed
                                    let's see what happens

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                                    • #58
                                      Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                      Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                                      I like the barn change analogy.

                                      But between Cutler being in a high powered offense in Denver and his numerous offensive coordinators in Chicago, how many barn changes does this guy need? Eventually the trainer of the horse will say, hmm maybe its not the trainer, maybe its that the horse just isn't that good.
                                      Tampa fans will find this out with Lovie. He puts next to zero emphasis on offense and tries to win with D and ST. That was why McCown was a horrible signing for TB - anyone can hand the ball off and play not to lose.
                                      Michael Jordan isn't anywhere near as athletic as lebron James. Jordan wouldn't even be a top 20 athlete in the game right now in his prime. - Cleveland Homer Big Deemer
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                                      • #59
                                        Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                        Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                                        You just made my point for me. Look how bad of a qb Mccown is...and the Bears didn't miss a beat going from Cutler to Mccown.

                                        You guys didn't answer my earlier question...you guys think Cutler is a top tier qb, name 1 other top qb that has been in the league 9+ years that only has 1 playoff win (he's lucky they got Seattle in that game or he would most likely be at 0)? Can you really come up with 9 years of excuses?

                                        Another misleading statement. The point I made is your comment that Cutler was easily replaced carries zero value. The other point I made is the Bears were bad last year, the QB position was irrelavent. You know what happened in 2011 after Cutler broke his thumb making a touchdown saving tackle against S.D. The Bears were 7-3 when he was injured. The proceeded to lose 5 straight with Caleb Hanie and Josh McCown as starting QB's. Go figure?

                                        Then in 2012 with a record of 10-6 the Bears missed the playoffs becuase of Cutler, oops I mean a tiebreaker. Again your new comment is misleading. Cutler I believe has only been in 2 playoff games so once again the sample size is small. And he's only been in the league 8 seasons not 9+. He's only been to the playoffs 1 season, came very close 2 other times. The other 5 seasons his teams didn't make the playoffs obviously in your eyes was his fault. In Summary:

                                        2006 Rookie year became starter mid season replacing Jake the Snake missed playoffs

                                        2007 7-9 record missed playoffs

                                        2008 Elected captain by offensive teamates. For the season, Cutler ranked third in the NFL in passing completions (first in the AFC), second in passing attempts (first in the AFC), third in passing yards (first in the AFC) and seventh in passing touchdowns (third in the AFC). Cutler was also selected as the FedEx Air Player of the Week for his performances during Week 10, 13 and 14 of the season. Cutler finished third in fan voting for AFC quarterbacks for pro bowl.] Three quarterbacks are chosen to play in the game. Fan voting accounts for one-third of the total voting (players and coaches account for the other two-thirds). He was officially picked to play in his first Pro Bowl when selections were announced on December 16, 2008. Cutler was chosen as a reserve. Missed playoffs, but I don't think it was because of Jay!

                                        2009 7-9 record, rough year

                                        2010 11-5 record, 1st round bye, beat Seattle for in his 1st ever playoff game, lost to Green Bay in NFC Championship game. These are the only 2 playoff games Cutler has started and played in.

                                        2011 Cutler led Bears started season 7-3 on their way to the playoffs. Cutler gets injured game 10 and misses games 11-15. Bears finish season going 1-5 for a final record of 8-8.

                                        2012 Cutler leads Bears to a 10-6 record but Bears miss playoffs because of tiebreaker rules.

                                        2013 Bears finish season 8-8. Cutler goes 5-6, backup goes 3-2.

                                        For what it's worth your statement "name 1 other top qb that has been in the league 9+? years and has only 1 playoff win" is misleading and has very little value!
                                        "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                                        • #60
                                          Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                          Pretty good resume if you ask me. Became starter rookie year! Elected captain and to pro-bowl after 1st 2 seasons. Elected player of the week 3 times in his 3rd season of play. Good years in 2010, 2011, & 2012. Initial year with Bears was rough, and 2013 was tough.

                                          Critics are way too harsh when it comes to Jay Cutler. I remember all these same critics calling him a pussy, saying he was soft because he sat out a 2nd half of a playoff game. Cutler has proven time and again he's a tough, gutty, competitor. The opposite of being soft. Very obvious the critics were wrong about this! IMO This harsh criticism creates biased opinions and fuzzy evaluations.
                                          "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                                          • #61
                                            Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                            enough of the cutler ball washing...he has had a slightly above average career

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                                            • #62
                                              Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                              Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
                                              enough of the cutler ball washing...he has had a slightly above average career
                                              I agree with that take but the way I see it is the guy never gets ball washed just bashed and he is like you said Above Average......

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                                              • #63
                                                Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
                                                enough of the cutler ball washing...he has had a slightly above average career
                                                On recent Bears teams that had terrible offensive lines. Put him on a team with a good OL his career would be better.
                                                "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                                                • #64
                                                  Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                  Originally posted by Bigrunner View Post
                                                  On recent Bears teams that had terrible offensive lines. Put him on a team with a good OL his career would be better.
                                                  Everyone that claims their QB is a top 10 can say "Get our QB an O-line that will give him all the time in the world, and he'll be better" Then you have guys that are the Elite QB's like Manning and he needs 2 seconds and knows exactly where the ball is going. Cutler is 10X the athlete of Manning, better arm, mobile....But why is manning the elite QB that he is? He knows what he has and doesn't try to go for the homerun play 10X a game.

                                                  Plug the top 10 QB's in with this bears team and they'd "wow" you with their stats and the bears would be in the playoffs every single season. Even with that defense.

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                                                  • #65
                                                    Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                    plug manning into the offense the Bears had the recent years and you would have had to scrape manning up off the turf

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                                                    • #66
                                                      Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                      That's the problem though. All the Cutler apologists always have an excuse for his play. Its the o-lines fault, no weapons, no defense, receiver ran the wrong route, bad offensive coordinators (all 8 of them), bad head coach. The guy played in Denver for 3 years, no playoff appearances...I know, each year it was everyone else's fault. But then the 2nd year after he left, Kyle Orton and TIM TEBOW somehow led them to the playoffs under goofy Josh McDaniels and even won a playoff game. Yeah yeah they must have had a better team than Cutler had. The excuses seem to be endless.
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                                                      • #67
                                                        Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                        it's starting to sound like he didn't stop and sign an autograph when someone asked

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                                                        • #68
                                                          Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                          I have never seen Cutler get that emotional....in fact I think he likes people to perceive him in that way.....

                                                          Wish he had the fire of Jimmy Mac......
                                                          Everyone dies......but not everyone lives.....

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                                                          • #69
                                                            Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                            No blueline, that's why Mark Grace is on my shit-list.

                                                            I just don't like Cutler. He's cocky, arrogant and thinks he's better than he is.
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                                                            • #70
                                                              Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                              I don't care about his personality.
                                                              I want him to play well.
                                                              Does he make bad throws and and make some bad decisions...yes.
                                                              Now with him having the things he needs to succeed he should play well.
                                                              Let's see what happens

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                                                              • #71
                                                                Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                Lets definitely re-visit this thread in a couple months.
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                                                                • #72
                                                                  Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                  if you don't like cocky and arrogant I guess you must have hated McMahon

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                                                                  • #73
                                                                    Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                    Originally posted by blueline View Post
                                                                    plug manning into the offense the Bears had the recent years and you would have had to scrape manning up off the turf

                                                                    ?
                                                                    Manning would get rid of the ball in 2 seconds. He wouldn't hold the ball for 10 seconds waiting to see which guy he can throw to 35 yards down the field (WR or CB, take your pick)


                                                                    Bears O-line has been poor, but doesn't help when you have a QB that's always trying to make something out of nothing every other play.

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                                                                    • #74
                                                                      Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                      Originally posted by ttaylor89 View Post
                                                                      Everyone that claims their QB is a top 10 can say "Get our QB an O-line that will give him all the time in the world, and he'll be better" Then you have guys that are the Elite QB's like Manning and he needs 2 seconds and knows exactly where the ball is going. Cutler is 10X the athlete of Manning, better arm, mobile....But why is manning the elite QB that he is? He knows what he has and doesn't try to go for the homerun play 10X a game.

                                                                      Plug the top 10 QB's in with this bears team and they'd "wow" you with their stats and the bears would be in the playoffs every single season. Even with that defense.
                                                                      This is funny! Did you see last year's superbowl? Plug Cutler in place of Manning and Denver may have won. We will never know. Again in 2010 cutler led the Bears to the Conference title and NFC Championship game. In 2011 he was on his way to other conference championship. Bears were 7-3, Cutler gets hurt; missing next 5 games. Bears finished 8-8. 2012 Cutler led Bears finish 10-6. Taylor you crack me up. Open mouth and insert foot.
                                                                      "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                                                                      • #75
                                                                        Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                        Originally posted by ttaylor89 View Post
                                                                        ?
                                                                        Manning would get rid of the ball in 2 seconds. He wouldn't hold the ball for 10 seconds waiting to see which guy he can throw to 35 yards down the field (WR or CB, take your pick)
                                                                        the foundation of the Martz offense was the 7 step drop, add in literally the worst offensive line in the league and receivers who didn't run the correct routes and Manning would have been broken in half

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                                                                        • #76
                                                                          Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                          Originally posted by blueline View Post
                                                                          if you don't like cocky and arrogant I guess you must have hated McMahon
                                                                          I was 10 when the Bears won that Super Bowl with Mcmahon but I don't recall people ever thinking he was an elite qb.
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                                                                          • #77
                                                                            Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                            Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                                                                            I was 10 when the Bears won that Super Bowl with Mcmahon but I don't recall people ever thinking he was an elite qb.
                                                                            McMahon was smart and fearless not to mention cocky and arrogant
                                                                            who is claiming Cutler is elite or top 5?

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                                                                            • #78
                                                                              Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                              Originally posted by Bigrunner View Post
                                                                              This is funny! Did you see last year's superbowl? Plug Cutler in place of Manning and Denver may have won. We will never know. Again in 2010 cutler led the Bears to the Conference title and NFC Championship game. In 2011 he was on his way to other conference championship. Bears were 7-3, Cutler gets hurt; missing next 5 games. Bears finished 8-8. 2012 Cutler led Bears finish 10-6. Taylor you crack me up. Open mouth and insert foot.


                                                                              Plug Cutler back into Denvers team last year and they don't make the playoffs...so who cares about the superbowl.

                                                                              Plug Manning into last years bears team and they are in the superbowl!

                                                                              Cutler is a middle of the pack QB. Has every physical trait of being a great (top 5) QB, has all the weapons he needs to be a top 5 QB, doesn't have a great O-line, doesn't have a brain.

                                                                              Plug any of the "top 10" QB's in the bears system now, and they'd be 3-0 and likely be leading the NFL in every offensive category.

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                                                                              • #79
                                                                                Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                                Originally posted by richsox24 View Post
                                                                                I was 10 when the Bears won that Super Bowl with Mcmahon but I don't recall people ever thinking he was an elite qb.
                                                                                Is this thread about Elite QB'S? I thought it was about playoff wins? Btw I'll pay you the $30 next week.
                                                                                "its time to start killing journalist" Mr. Merlin. 07-02-17

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                                                                                • #80
                                                                                  Re: For those trashing the Bears and their win... (Cutler bashers too)

                                                                                  Originally posted by Bigrunner View Post
                                                                                  Is this thread about Elite QB'S? I thought it was about playoff wins? Btw I'll pay you the $300 next week.
                                                                                  Corrected it for ya.
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