Muslims in the American Army

[jay28]

The Rise of Islam - Harun Yahya

Muslims in the American Army




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The Muslim presence in the American army is increasing day by day. At the beginning of the 1990s there were 2,500 Muslims in the army; now there are between 15,000 and 20,000 soldiers.50 There are two reasons for this rapid increase: the general increase of the Muslim population in America and that some soldiers who served in Muslim countries converted. Their continual increase has allowed them to perform their religious duties in peace. The first of these was the army's appointment of a Muslim chaplain to minister to Muslim soldiers, an important indication that the Muslims' presence in the army has been officially recognized. Colonel Herman Keizer spoke of this fact in a 1994 speech: "This reflected the growing number of Muslims in the services over the past 10 years. It mirrors growth in the US society ? where Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States."51
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The famous John Hancock Center and the Sears Tower were constructed by a Muslim architect.​

</td> </tr> </tbody></table> As a result, the army has made some concessions to make life easier for Muslim soldiers. For example, pork is not included in their meals, they can perform their Friday congregational prayers, and those who wish to make pilgrimage have an easier time of fulfilling this obligation. These concessions were reported in the Washington Post in 1998:

During Ramadan, when Muslims refrain from food and drink during daylight hours, military commanders are urged to accommodate their fasting servicemen and women-excusing them, in some cases, from rigorous physical exercise. The commanders also allow flexible work hours so Muslims can take iftar, the traditional fast-ending meal, and attend the social gatherings and community prayers that usually follow.52​

Thus the American armed forces are genuinely interested in Muslims and try to meet their needs when possible. One of the main reasons for this is certainly the religious character of the American people. The belief of many Americans in God has led them to adopt a respectful and tolerant attitude toward Muslims, especially after they have learned about Islamic values. On of the best instances of this can be seen in an address given by the former Deputy Defense Secretary John Hamre:
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I think that as Muslims and as Christians, we understand what it means to live under a world of authority-the authority that's been revealed to us by God?. We are partners and we are friends and we celebrate with our Islamic brothers and sisters tonight in this feast, and throughout the year. In an America that sometimes is too busy worrying about the latest fad in clothes, or the newest model of car or other material things, it is good to be with people who think in a broader way, who think about their relationship to God, who think about charity, alms giving, as one of the central mandates of life. This is a great thing. You're a great people to be with.53​

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

I used to work out with many Black Muslims.....their main reason for converting was the sublimation of their women....the women had to obey their men.....I have to admit.....it does sound pretty good.:dancefool :dancefool :dancefool

P.S. Just kidding....I like strong , independent women.arty

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Nice ZZ Well the main reason it has been said is because if men wants to have sex, and if the women don't give it to them. The men would probably go some where else and might commit a crime or start looking for porns on internet , which are been forbidden in Islam

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Nice ZZ Well the main reason it has been said is because if men wants to have sex, and if the women don't give it to them. The men would probably go some where else and might commit a crime or start looking for porns on internet , which are been forbidden in Islam

I think the Quran needs a little update from Mohammed. HeHeHe.

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well ZZ, the Quran is the only Bible which will never ever change. Because God himself has promised. He himself will take care of it.

That's the reason, even arabs don't quite understand the Quran properly because arabic itself has changed. There are translations to it but Quran stayed same.

I think the Quran needs a little update from Mohammed. HeHeHe.

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well ZZ, the Quran is the only Bible which will never ever change. Because God himself has promised. He himself will take care of it.

That's the reason, even arabs don't quite understand the Quran properly because arabic itself has changed. There are translations to it but Quran stayed same.

Can't God change his mind.....he is indeed, God, right?

P.S. What if a greater God comes along and tells him to change it?

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well he doesn't have to. Because he is God who created all mankind. If that really happen, there would be no difference between human and God himself.

God could of change his mind before he created all mankind because he know that they will kill and commit crimes. But still he called all the angels to bow to Adam. But Satan(Iblis) refused. He said why should the one who is made from the fire should bow to the Adam, refused due to his pride. Satan promised him that he will continuously deceive man kind. God is the forgiver. God himself has said if man commits crimes of the whole sea and comes to me for forgiveness, he will forgive the mankind. That's his promised to Satan(Iblis) and to mankind.

Can't God change his mind.....he is indeed, God, right?

P.S. What if a greater God comes along and tells him to change it?

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well he doesn't have to. Because he is God who created all mankind. If that really happen, there would be no difference between human and God himself.

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Well, then we'd be as similiar as you and I in comparison to Bill Gates. But if we work real hard, we can attain Bill Gate's status. As children of God , why can't we also work real hard and be better than God, the father?

 

[ynot]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Hard work won't make you "better than God."

You need perfection and as a human that is impossible without Gods intervention.

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

I'm afraid that's not possible. And the reason behind is that even after 21 century, there are alot of things that we don't know which actually God created.

The only thing that we have to do is compare the religion with science and then decide.

Miracles of the Quran
Miracles of the Quran - Google Video


Miracles in QURAN
Miracles in QURAN - Google Video

Well, then we'd be as similiar as you and I in comparison to Bill Gates. But if we work real hard, we can attain Bill Gate's status. As children of God , why can't we also work real hard and be better than God, the father?

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Hard work won't make you "better than God."

You need perfection and as a human that is impossible without Gods intervention.

As we are imperfectly made wouldn't that be the fault of our Maker? And if we improve to perfection....wouldn't that make us better?

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

I'm afraid that's not possible.






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So, if we have children ourselves, our kids can never be better than us?

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Not really ZZ. We got a brain too. We talk, move, walk. Do you know humans are the most intelligent species on this whole universe.

 

[ynot]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

I don't think it is by fault as much as by design. You are being tested to see if you will reject the worldly ways for an eternal life for your soul.

If you want to challenge this ... all right game is on...........I challenge you to be perfect.:houra

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

ZZ, you really have to watch the videos that I just give you.

I believe humans can't go really far based on their knowledge and understanding. We still need blood. There are alot of diseases which still can easily take over and kill us. We won't know until we die. But if we die, it's going to be too late to go back too. Because the creator already send like million of prophets. We have the realize the fact.

A really nice quote:
"Live like you'll die today. Dream like you'll live forever."

So, if we have children ourselves, our kids can never be better than us?

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Not really ZZ. We got a brain too. We talk, move, walk. Do you know humans are the most intelligent species on this whole universe.

I think that place where Spock is from has smarter people, surely wiser.

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

I don't think it is by fault as much as by design. You are being tested to see if you will reject the worldly ways for an eternal life for your soul.

If you want to challenge this ... all right game is on...........I challenge you to be perfect.:houra

I'm working on it Y....but if God made us this way....wouldn't our imperfections be her fault? So, if I only slightly improve myself, wouldn't that be better than what she has done with NO improvements?arty

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

ZZ, you really have to watch the videos that I just give you.

I believe humans can't go really far based on their knowledge and understanding. We still need blood. There are alot of diseases which still can easily take over and kill us. We won't know until we die. But if we die, it's going to be too late to go back too. Because the creator already send like million of prophets. We have the realize the fact.

A really nice quote:
"Live like you'll die today. Dream like you'll live forever."

Why would it be too late to go back when we die? Doesn't the Good Book say, "With God, all things are possible?"

P.S. Why did God not make us perfect, so we all could go to Heaven? I know, but I am curious to see if anybody else here knows.

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Nice one Ynot. We are not perfect. God knew about it before he send us to planet earth. Planet earth was already made by God before Adam and Eve eat that apple. He knew what will happen. He knew about Satan. And He knows that Satan will deceive humans. That's the reason he already created Heaven and Hell. Because He is God.

We can't be him. We don't even know what will happen in future. Are we going to be alive within half hour or live.

That's the reason. As God says. The biggest sin is when you do bad to his creation then the one which you would probably do to him. Because that's his creation.

God loves his creation really much. It's like this if you create something and someone else come and destroys it. You would probably get made.

I don't think it is by fault as much as by design. You are being tested to see if you will reject the worldly ways for an eternal life for your soul.

If you want to challenge this ... all right game is on...........I challenge you to be perfect.:houra

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Why would anybody's God create a Hell? Wouldn't that indicate that they are not the embodiment of love that religions profess to?

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

http://www.geocities.com/islamimiracles4/adams_peak.htm

Prophet Adam's Peak

Jutting sharply skyward from the lush jungles of southwestern Sri Lanka is the 7362 foot (2243 meter) peak of Sri Pada, the 'Holy Footprint'. Also called Adam’s Peak, the mountain has the unique distinction of being sacred to the followers of four of the world's major religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. Long before the development of these religions, however, the mountain was worshipped by the aboriginal inhabitants of Sri Lanka, the Veddas.

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A Buddha near the Foot Print of Prophet Adam (A.S)​

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Are you sure that wasn't paul bunyon?

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

ZZ, these are really tough questions, and can be answered if you ask from philosophers.

I believe only those people will go to hell who harm God's creation, in any means. And those people who share someone with God. I.e., Jesus, Moses, Stones etc. Because Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Mohammad, everyone teach us to worship only one God. He doesn't have any friends, son, wife. These are all Satan put in us so that Satan can betray us.


All others will first pay their bad deads first i.e., all the bad things that your ear hear, you tonge spoke, your hand did. At the end days you will not speak but your hands, tonge, ears and feets will speak.

Why would anybody's God create a Hell? Wouldn't that indicate that they are not the embodiment of love that religions profess to?

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

ZZ, these are really tough questions, and can be answered if you ask from philosophers.

I believe only those people will go to hell who harm God's creation, in any means. And those people who share someone with God. I.e., Jesus, Moses, Stones etc. Because Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Mohammad, everyone teach us to worship only one God. He doesn't have any friends, son, wife. These are all Satan put in us so that Satan can betray us.


All others will first pay their bad deads first i.e., all the bad things that your ear hear, you tonge spoke, your hand did. At the end days you will not speak but your hands, tonge, ears and feets will speak.

No disrespect Jay.......but you must be in possession of some good shit.....:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

 

[The Devil]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well ZZ, the Quran is the only Bible which will never ever change. Because God himself has promised. He himself will take care of it.

That's the reason, even arabs don't quite understand the Quran properly because arabic itself has changed. There are translations to it but Quran stayed same.

AND WHICH GOD IS THAT JAY????? TELL ME JAY WHEN DID YOU HEAR GOD'S PROMISE??? OR DID YOU READ IT IN THE QURAN????

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well that's one of Mirracles of Quran. That's the reason there are alot of people who memorized the Quran. As soon as there is anything change, when they read it they can find out whether it's a mistake or it's been changed.

 

[The Devil]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well ZZ, the Quran is the only Bible which will never ever change. Because God himself has promised. He himself will take care of it.

That's the reason, even arabs don't quite understand the Quran properly because arabic itself has changed. There are translations to it but Quran stayed same.

YOU SAY HERE IT NEVER CHANGES......

 

[The Devil]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well that's one of Mirracles of Quran. That's the reason there are alot of people who memorized the Quran. As soon as there is anything change, when they read it they can find out whether it's a mistake or it's been changed.

AND YOU SAY HERE IT CHANGES???????

IS THAT THE MIRACLE OF QURAN??? IT DOESN'T CHANGE, BUT IT CHANGES?????????????

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

One of the Miracle of Quran is that It will never change. Quran has never been changed and never will be. It gets printed. And rewritten. But if there are any changes, People can find it out really easily. Because alot of them Memorized it.

By the way, it's the only religion whose Bible can be memorized.

 

[The Devil]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

JAY,

DID YOU READ THE UNABRIDGED VERSION???

WHY DO YOU THINK OTHER BIBLES CAN'T BE MEMORIZED?????

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well I believe only a true believer can memorize their Bible.

Some muslims actually memorized Bible as well as Quran.

 

[ZZ CREAM]

USE THOSE BRAINS GOD GAVE YOU PEOPLE!

USE THOSE BRAINS GOD GAVE YOU PEOPLE!

Many really religious people simply do not want to use the brains God gave them for anything other than blind allegiance, something some will call faith, no matter how misguided. I think this is true of almost all religions.

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

That's true ZZ. For every verse God send us, we have to know why is it like that. Knowledge is power. The more knowledge people have, the more power they have.

There are people who actually take the verses wrong. There is no compulsion in religions.
There is No Compulsion in Religion, Source: The Holy Quran and the Prophet's teachings

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[THEONE]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

He doesn't have any friends, son, wife.

so you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God,
and all your other ramblings lead me to believe you yourself could be in danger of hell fire if you don't wake up to the truth of life.

 

[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

He doesn't have any friends, son, wife.

so you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God,
and all your other ramblings lead me to believe you yourself could be in danger of hell fire if you don't wake up to the truth of life.

Good one TO! Hellfire! Would you follow a God who condemns people to an eternal torture? Uuh, now I see where president Bush gets his torture ethics now.

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

He doesn't have any friends, son, wife.

so you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God,
and all your other ramblings lead me to believe you yourself could be in danger of hell fire if you don't wake up to the truth of life.

Well Theone, Muslims believe that there is only One God. He doesn't have son, wife, friend. He alone runs the whole universe. He send about million of Prophets including Abraham, Jesus, Moses, and Mohammad.

Abraham didn't worship Jesus or Mary or someone else but the One True God.

The Spirit that you are talking about is actually Gabriel, an angel.

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[ZZ CREAM]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Jay, what's up with the promise of 72 Virgins you always hear when Muslims are rewarded with in heaven.....is that true?

 

[THEONE]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

of course it is not true because there are not 72 virgins alive over the age of 9.
anyway..god does not condemn us to hell. we condemn ourselves with our actions.
Of course Abraham did not worship Jesus since he came hundreds of years later, same with Mary, catch a clue.

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well Quran doesn't talk about 72 Virgins in heaven. And Jihad only came on self defense. The truth is Muslims are not allowed to kill any non-muslims.

There is No Compulsion in Religion, Source: The Holy Quran and the Prophet's teachings

[SIZE=-1]The teachings of the Prophet on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how to government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)[/SIZE]

You might find some verses, again we have to know why some verses came from God that actually tells the Muslims to fight.




There is No Compulsion in Religion, Source: The Holy Quran and the Prophet's teachings
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[SIZE=-1]Anti-Islamic people often use the following verses to justify the stereotype that Islam is a religion of violence and intolerance, which was spread by the sword. The explanations here were aided by Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary on the Holy Quran.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Sura 9.5 "When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Sura 47.4 "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives."[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]Sura 8 is about a BATTLE - the Battle of Badr - not just some daily affair. A battles take two side to occur. Are you under the impression that while these 'horrid' Muslims were fighting, the enemies were simply standing there like good little peaceful men?[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Sura 47 was revealed during the first year of Hijrah when the Muslims were under *threat of extinction* by invasion from Makkah.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Sura 9 is interesting. Non-Muslims almost invariably quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6. Why? Because verse 4 says, "But the treatires are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God Loves the righteous."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]And verse 6 says, "If one among the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that he may hear the Word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]So basically what has been done above is:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]1. The background to each sura was shown. One cannot take a verse revealed for a battle and insist it is if for the daily affairs of Muslims.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]2. It was shown how Non-muslims who wish to attack Islam, conveniently leave out verses before and after their quoted verse. Above, I have shown only one of the many examples.[/SIZE]

Now let's come to the 72 Virgins. You might not find anything in Quran but there is a Hadith (Hadith are the saying of Prophet Mohammad but put on paper after his death. We don't know whether it's true or not.)

Hadith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing in the Koran specifically states that the faithful are allotted 72 virgins apiece. For this elaboration we turn to the hadith, traditional sayings traced with varying degrees of credibility to Muhammad. Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as the Sunan al-Tirmidhi says, "The least [reward] for the people of Heaven is 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby."

 

[jay28]

Re: Muslims in the American Army

Well the truth is all prophets talked about The Only One God.
Judaism says that Moses is the Son of God.
Christians says that Jesus is the Son of God.

But the reality is that Non of them are actually Son of God.
All of them were Prophets who were send there to guide us.

of course it is not true because there are not 72 virgins alive over the age of 9.
anyway..god does not condemn us to hell. we condemn ourselves with our actions.
Of course Abraham did not worship Jesus since he came hundreds of years later, same with Mary, catch a clue.