C'Mon - do the right thing here!!!!!!!!!
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Journeyman
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heartbreaking
heartbreaking
Blondie
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Yes, but why should the little girl be punished for what he did. In reality is this about him seeing his daughter, or is this about HER getting to say goodbye to him?
It is heartbreaking, and I have seen many times people that are dying hang on just to see one person. Why make the girl suffer more. If she is hanging on to see him, then for the love of God let her have her wish..
Yes, but why should the little girl be punished for what he did. In reality is this about him seeing his daughter, or is this about HER getting to say goodbye to him?
It is heartbreaking, and I have seen many times people that are dying hang on just to see one person. Why make the girl suffer more. If she is hanging on to see him, then for the love of God let her have her wish..
WVU
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So should we start letting everyone out of prison for family emergencies? I don't like to see her suffer, but how does seeing her convict of a Dad help? Letting her dad out to see her would open up a can of worms.
So should we start letting everyone out of prison for family emergencies? I don't like to see her suffer, but how does seeing her convict of a Dad help? Letting her dad out to see her would open up a can of worms.
raycabino
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All this is true and I surely feel for the little girl but if one exception is made then Billy, Bob, and Bart are going to want exceptions made on their behalf as well.
All this is true and I surely feel for the little girl but if one exception is made then Billy, Bob, and Bart are going to want exceptions made on their behalf as well.
NoNewbieca
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Like the avatar Blondie - who is she? Great legs!
Like the avatar Blondie - who is she? Great legs!
winkyduck
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if their daughter is on her deathbed i have no problem with doing it. the guy got what he dserved as far as his sentence for his crime but extraordinary situations call for extraordinary exceptions. let the guy see his baby girl one last time and as Blondie pointed out - not so much for HIM but HER
if their daughter is on her deathbed i have no problem with doing it. the guy got what he dserved as far as his sentence for his crime but extraordinary situations call for extraordinary exceptions. let the guy see his baby girl one last time and as Blondie pointed out - not so much for HIM but HER
Blondie
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Very true, and while I understand that. What is more important dealing with Billy, Bob, and Bart afterwards or letting this little girl die in peace. It should be on a situational basis. As I said I have seen too many people lay in agony waiting on one person to show up before they would go...
When you watch someone lay in a hospital bed in pain for days on end and just linger waiting on one person so they can say goodbye it changes your perspective.
The clip stated the family pays for the times he is allowed to see her. If the family is willing to pay the expenses for her to be able to see him, then to me she should get this wish.
Not to mention, while he will have one day with her. He will have to go back to prison after that day. HE will spend his time in prison seeing that image of her and most people would suffer more with a vision like that engraved in their head. He will know that she is there and he is not with her.
Very true, and while I understand that. What is more important dealing with Billy, Bob, and Bart afterwards or letting this little girl die in peace. It should be on a situational basis. As I said I have seen too many people lay in agony waiting on one person to show up before they would go...
When you watch someone lay in a hospital bed in pain for days on end and just linger waiting on one person so they can say goodbye it changes your perspective.
The clip stated the family pays for the times he is allowed to see her. If the family is willing to pay the expenses for her to be able to see him, then to me she should get this wish.
Not to mention, while he will have one day with her. He will have to go back to prison after that day. HE will spend his time in prison seeing that image of her and most people would suffer more with a vision like that engraved in their head. He will know that she is there and he is not with her.
WVU
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so should we set asside 100 million so that we can have a committee review and accept or reject those applying for hardship release? We would need lawyers, judges, psychologists, courtrooms, etc. Don't forget about an appeals process for those who get rejected.
so should we set asside 100 million so that we can have a committee review and accept or reject those applying for hardship release? We would need lawyers, judges, psychologists, courtrooms, etc. Don't forget about an appeals process for those who get rejected.
OMNIVOROUS FROG
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I'm sorry, lock those nonviolent offenders up, three strike them. Fill the prisons because it is actually big business and a revenue generator for the gubment. What else is a police state supposed to do? Besides, we taxpayers subsidize this fiasco.
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I'm sorry, lock those nonviolent offenders up, three strike them. Fill the prisons because it is actually big business and a revenue generator for the gubment. What else is a police state supposed to do? Besides, we taxpayers subsidize this fiasco.
Best Wishes...OF :+cops-2+
Blondie
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Now wait, they do not want him released. They want him to have a VISIT. VERY different.
He is in for meth. From what we know no violent crimes were committed. We are talking about two guards (maybe three but normally two), a van for transport and gas money.
I am simply stating that IMO this little girl should be allowed to have her dying wish, each case is different, and I do not agree with the decision on this one.
Besides the majority of the time by the time the person completed all the hoops you suggested above the situation would be over and it would be too late anyhow. :doh1
Now wait, they do not want him released. They want him to have a VISIT. VERY different.
He is in for meth. From what we know no violent crimes were committed. We are talking about two guards (maybe three but normally two), a van for transport and gas money.
I am simply stating that IMO this little girl should be allowed to have her dying wish, each case is different, and I do not agree with the decision on this one.
Besides the majority of the time by the time the person completed all the hoops you suggested above the situation would be over and it would be too late anyhow. :doh1
Blondie
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You make a good point. Why not have the warden himself tell her. He made the decision he should be willing to stand behind it right? Let him look at this little girl and explain to her that she will not get to say goodbye to her daddy because he (the warden) does not want to deal with the others that will come along saying they have a similar circumstance.
You make a good point. Why not have the warden himself tell her. He made the decision he should be willing to stand behind it right? Let him look at this little girl and explain to her that she will not get to say goodbye to her daddy because he (the warden) does not want to deal with the others that will come along saying they have a similar circumstance.
Tuckman
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its not the wardens fault her father lived a crime filled life now is it? why should it be his/ hers responsibilty to break the bad news to this poor lil girl...I'm sure the father can tell his daughter over the phone how he fucked up and they wont bend the laws/ rules for him to see her in person before she passes...
its not the wardens fault her father lived a crime filled life now is it? why should it be his/ hers responsibilty to break the bad news to this poor lil girl...I'm sure the father can tell his daughter over the phone how he fucked up and they wont bend the laws/ rules for him to see her in person before she passes...
Blondie
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Oh but see this decision was made at the warden's discretion. It was his choice as to whether or not the father got to see his daughter. So in an essence, if he firmly believes he made the "right" decision then he should have no problem telling her. right?
and I never said it was his/her RESPONSIBILITY I am saying that they should have no problem doing so, since they made the "right" decision.
Oh but see this decision was made at the warden's discretion. It was his choice as to whether or not the father got to see his daughter. So in an essence, if he firmly believes he made the "right" decision then he should have no problem telling her. right?
and I never said it was his/her RESPONSIBILITY I am saying that they should have no problem doing so, since they made the "right" decision.
Tuckman
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there are lotsa decisions made by people who dont owe an explination for it, and this falls in the same scenerio...If the father was really a "family" man, he woulda did what was right from the start and not have put himself into this situation...Do i feel it would be nice for him to get out to see his daughter sure, but its not the wardens responsibilty to explain why he made the ultimate choice to decline the request
there are lotsa decisions made by people who dont owe an explination for it, and this falls in the same scenerio...If the father was really a "family" man, he woulda did what was right from the start and not have put himself into this situation...Do i feel it would be nice for him to get out to see his daughter sure, but its not the wardens responsibilty to explain why he made the ultimate choice to decline the request
The Devil
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DID ANYONE MENTION THE DISTANCE???
I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT AT LEAST TWO GUARDS WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH HIM AT ALL TIMES.......IF IT IS SAY A 6 HOUR RIDE TO SEE HIS DAUGHTER, PROBABLY MORE GUARDS WOULD BE NEEDED........LOTS OF OVERTIME ETC.......
DID ANYONE MENTION THE DISTANCE???
I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT AT LEAST TWO GUARDS WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH HIM AT ALL TIMES.......IF IT IS SAY A 6 HOUR RIDE TO SEE HIS DAUGHTER, PROBABLY MORE GUARDS WOULD BE NEEDED........LOTS OF OVERTIME ETC.......
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
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Take a sign to the streets of LA Winky.
Take a sign to the streets of LA Winky.
Blondie
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Once again, never said it was the warden's responsibility.
As for him being allowed to see her, I could care less about what would be best for him. What bothers me is that this dying little girl will not get to say goodbye to him, because of one person's decision. It was stated that he had been there to see her before but only for a couple of hours. So they have let this happen before, just for a shorter time span. If the family would be willing to pay the expenses, what would be the problem of extending the time.
Once again, never said it was the warden's responsibility.
As for him being allowed to see her, I could care less about what would be best for him. What bothers me is that this dying little girl will not get to say goodbye to him, because of one person's decision. It was stated that he had been there to see her before but only for a couple of hours. So they have let this happen before, just for a shorter time span. If the family would be willing to pay the expenses, what would be the problem of extending the time.
WVU
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A prisoner here was being transported a couple months ago and overpowered the police driver and shot him in the head and pushed him out of the van.
A prisoner here was being transported a couple months ago and overpowered the police driver and shot him in the head and pushed him out of the van.
Blondie
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After doing a little research and a mapquest it is approximately 2 hours and 45 minutes from the prison camp he is in and the town where they live.
After doing a little research and a mapquest it is approximately 2 hours and 45 minutes from the prison camp he is in and the town where they live.
OMNIVOROUS FROG
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Root cause, our failed war on drugs. This low level offender would be better served in rehab. Supressing the source and incarcarating the addicts is a colossal failure of epic proportions. There was a warden in the midwest, OKlahoma I think. He said the same thing. They fired him. They have had judges step down and resign, unhappy being stuck with no leniency mandatory sentencing guidelines. This is a total cluster fuck with no end. They even incarcarate old grandmas who smoke weed for pain relief or cancer after chemo. This is just not working and getting worse.
Best wishes...OF :smokesmal
Root cause, our failed war on drugs. This low level offender would be better served in rehab. Supressing the source and incarcarating the addicts is a colossal failure of epic proportions. There was a warden in the midwest, OKlahoma I think. He said the same thing. They fired him. They have had judges step down and resign, unhappy being stuck with no leniency mandatory sentencing guidelines. This is a total cluster fuck with no end. They even incarcarate old grandmas who smoke weed for pain relief or cancer after chemo. This is just not working and getting worse.
Best wishes...OF :smokesmal
Ego74
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Rest in peace Jayci
Jayci Yaeger loses cancer battle Friday morning
By the Lincoln Journal Star
Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 09:45:33 am CDT
The 10-year-old daughter of an inmate who fought the system to see her has died of brain cancer.
Jayci Yaeger?s uncle, Ed Yaeger, said his niece passed away at 1:47 a.m. Friday at The Monarch, a Lincoln hospice.
Jayci Yaeger lived long enough to see her father, Jason Yaeger, for about 45 minutes on Wednesday.
rest of story at link below:
JournalStar.com - Lincoln, Nebraska - News - Local
Rest in peace Jayci
Jayci Yaeger loses cancer battle Friday morning
By the Lincoln Journal Star
Friday, Mar 28, 2008 - 09:45:33 am CDT
The 10-year-old daughter of an inmate who fought the system to see her has died of brain cancer.
Jayci Yaeger?s uncle, Ed Yaeger, said his niece passed away at 1:47 a.m. Friday at The Monarch, a Lincoln hospice.
Jayci Yaeger lived long enough to see her father, Jason Yaeger, for about 45 minutes on Wednesday.
rest of story at link below:
JournalStar.com - Lincoln, Nebraska - News - Local
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
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It hurts me thinking about this little girl passing of cancer so young and all the other children I have seen when taking my own child for care at Riley's in INDY. That place will wake up anyone with an ounce of care in their body.
RIP, Jayci
It hurts me thinking about this little girl passing of cancer so young and all the other children I have seen when taking my own child for care at Riley's in INDY. That place will wake up anyone with an ounce of care in their body.
RIP, Jayci
winkyduck
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my nephew was diagnosed with diabetes around 18 months old. here it is some 9 years later and while he is learning to live with it - and thanks to "the pump" is oing so - it kills me to see him like this and know he will all his life unless some cure is found
i told my sis and bro-in-law that while it sucks he has this of all the bad things he could have gotten this is one of the better ones. he can still lead a long productive life and compared to cancer or similar he got off relatively easy
10 year old kids aren't supposed to die or cancer let alone die yet stuff like this happens all the time and then the biggest MoFo assholes live to be 4,000 years old
somerimes things just ain't kosher
my nephew was diagnosed with diabetes around 18 months old. here it is some 9 years later and while he is learning to live with it - and thanks to "the pump" is oing so - it kills me to see him like this and know he will all his life unless some cure is found
i told my sis and bro-in-law that while it sucks he has this of all the bad things he could have gotten this is one of the better ones. he can still lead a long productive life and compared to cancer or similar he got off relatively easy
10 year old kids aren't supposed to die or cancer let alone die yet stuff like this happens all the time and then the biggest MoFo assholes live to be 4,000 years old
somerimes things just ain't kosher
The General
Another Day, Another Dollar
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Sorry about your nephew Winky. I have a female friend whose daughter is 5 yrs old and has to be tested many times a day. It is sad also for her to have and go thru it, esp when she doesn't want anything to eat but her mother has to try hard to get food in her. She HAS to. It is essential for the disease. 5 year olds don't quite understand the seriousness of the illness. Take care buddy.
Sorry about your nephew Winky. I have a female friend whose daughter is 5 yrs old and has to be tested many times a day. It is sad also for her to have and go thru it, esp when she doesn't want anything to eat but her mother has to try hard to get food in her. She HAS to. It is essential for the disease. 5 year olds don't quite understand the seriousness of the illness. Take care buddy.
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
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he lives in Vegas but comes to visit every so often. i'll never forget when he was younger - say 5-ish and was ready for bed and my sister said he couldn't go to bed until he ate something and he protested how he wasn't hungry and didn't wanna eat. for "normal" kids this happens all the time and no biggie you just send them to bed - no problem. but for a diabetic - it is a huge problem
my cousin got married within the last 3-5 years. my nephew was in the wedding party. he crashed during the ceremony and had to miss the reception because he was too low. i am scared to death later in life he will lose a limb or eye or.........like many do because they stop taking care of themselves. his father is 5'8" and 250+ and while my sis is not fat my nephew is a big boy - not fat but a tad heavier than he should. he golfs but does very little else and i am scared that when he gets older he will stop taking care of himself. i am 33 years old so i might not be around when he is in his 60s - and maybe that will be a good thing
he lives in Vegas but comes to visit every so often. i'll never forget when he was younger - say 5-ish and was ready for bed and my sister said he couldn't go to bed until he ate something and he protested how he wasn't hungry and didn't wanna eat. for "normal" kids this happens all the time and no biggie you just send them to bed - no problem. but for a diabetic - it is a huge problem
my cousin got married within the last 3-5 years. my nephew was in the wedding party. he crashed during the ceremony and had to miss the reception because he was too low. i am scared to death later in life he will lose a limb or eye or.........like many do because they stop taking care of themselves. his father is 5'8" and 250+ and while my sis is not fat my nephew is a big boy - not fat but a tad heavier than he should. he golfs but does very little else and i am scared that when he gets older he will stop taking care of himself. i am 33 years old so i might not be around when he is in his 60s - and maybe that will be a good thing