seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

DimeDR

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SEISMIC "SPIKES"

Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on September 11 that has still not been explained.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

The Palisades seismic record shows that ? as the collapses began ? a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth. These unexplained "spikes" in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses.

A "sharp spike of short duration" is how seismologist Thorne Lay of Univ. of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground nuclear explosion appears on a seismograph.

The two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses and occurred in the East-West seismic recording as the buildings began to fall.

Lerner-Lam told AFP that a 10-fold increase in wave amplitude indicates a 100-fold increase in energy released. These "short-period surface waves," reflect "the interaction between the ground and the building foundation," according to a report from Columbia Earth Institute.

"The seismic effects of the collapses are comparable to the explosions at a gasoline tank farm near Newark on January 7, 1983," the Palisades Seismology Group reported on Sept. 14, 2001.

One of the seismologists, Won-Young Kim, told AFP that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. These blasts are caused by 80,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2. Kim said the 1993 truck-bomb at the WTC did not register on the seismographs because it was "not coupled" to the ground.

Experts cannot explain why the seismic waves peaked before the towers hit the ground. Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told AFP, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated."

"Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion," Lerner-Lam said. "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small."

Last November, Lerner-Lam said, "During the collapse, most of the energy of the falling debris was absorbed by the towers and the neighboring structures, converting them into rubble and dust or causing other damage ? but not causing significant ground shaking,"
Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the huge towers.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

Too many words for the FLOCK to be able to understand ...

We got on em the run ... GREAT JOB AS USUAL !!!

:party:party:party:party:party
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

funny thing, i see the most twisted of them all only refuge now is making sexual attacks on me ...

its ok, proven he has run outta ideas ... the same guy who claimed "I won a big bet on making you lose your (dimedr) temper."

he flatters himself with neocon lies.

i notice he never debates our obvious facts.

i have a list started on the jessica lynch thread if anyone feels like adding to it.

have a good weekend
dimedr
 

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roscoe

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Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

the facts!:party
Seismic Spikes

Claim: Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded the events of 9/11. "The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before falling debris struck the earth," reports the Web site WhatReallyHappened.com.

A columnist on Prisonplanet.com, a Web site run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, claims the seismic spikes (boxed area on Graph 1) are "indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down" the towers. The Web site says its findings are supported by two seismologists at the observatory, Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam. Each "sharp spike of short duration," says Prisonplanet.com, was consistent with a "demolition-style implosion."




Fine Lines: Revisionists say sharp spikes (graph 1, above) mean bombs toppled the WTC. Scientists disprove the claim with the more detailed graph 2 (below). (Seismograph readings by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University: Won-Young Kim, senior research scientist; Arthur Lerner-Lam, associate director; Mary Tobin, senior science writer)

FACT: "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."

The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.

On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear ? misleadingly ? as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves ? blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower ? start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

roscoe,

another simple yes or no for you that i hope you wont ignore ...

is there any aspect of the official story that is in doubt for you? and if you say yes, please elaborate.

thanks,
dimedr
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

thank you .... so lets clarify, is there anything you doubt? please list anything?
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

ok so all of the 2 year delayed 9/11 commission was kosher,

the floating passports and bandanas,

the olson phone calls (and cell phones working at 40K feet when they wont work at ground level in shanksville),

norad officials changing their stories several times,

2 planes vaporizing,

no serial numbers ever matched from plane parts,

all the security cams confiscated and never released other than 5 still frames,

the boxcutters trained at military installations and allowed into the country with expired passports,

hani being capable of flying a 757 all the way back from WV by sight,

and all the DNA found and matched,

mineta testifying that cheney entered the bunker 30 mins before he claimed he did--

pilots for the truth proving from gov. information that flight 77 and 93 could not have flown their stated paths

all publicly proven things, or agreed upon, you are OK with?

just checking here, bc if you agree there no reason for either one of us to ever debate anything, seeing you are 100% positive the official story has no loopholes :) dont you agree?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Dime:

what patience you have .... I bow in your presence as Roscoe is like
that doll that you slap and it bounds back up
 

roscoe

EOG Veteran
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

ok so all of the 2 year delayed 9/11 commission was kosher,

the floating passports and bandanas,

the olson phone calls (and cell phones working at 40K feet when they wont work at ground level in shanksville),

norad officials changing their stories several times,

2 planes vaporizing,

no serial numbers ever matched from plane parts,

all the security cams confiscated and never released other than 5 still frames,

the boxcutters trained at military installations and allowed into the country with expired passports,

hani being capable of flying a 757 all the way back from WV by sight,

and all the DNA found and matched,

mineta testifying that cheney entered the bunker 30 mins before he claimed he did--

pilots for the truth proving from gov. information that flight 77 and 93 could not have flown their stated paths

all publicly proven things, or agreed upon, you are OK with?

just checking here, bc if you agree there no reason for either one of us to ever debate anything, seeing you are 100% positive the official story has no loopholes :) dont you agree?
do not agree with all you said. agree with the basic premise of the 9-11 comission.
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

fair enough, roscoe, then lets agree to never address one another again b/c i have nothing left to say to you and no hard feelings .... you blindly believe in the official story and i choose to investigate things that dont make sense to me that you fully find no problems with...

so start you own threads and use your own mind and i wont enter those, hows that sound? :)
 

The Devil

EOG Master
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

DIME ARE YOU TOTALLY ANTI AMERICAN????

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WE WALKED ON THE MOON........YOU DO NOT BELIEVE KENNEDY WAS SHOT BY OSWALD, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE 9-11 WAS DONE BY TERRORISTS.......

DO YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING GOOD THIS COUNTRY HAS DONE?
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

Dime:

love it .... ol Freddie now claims you are ANTI-AMERICAN while his mind
has digested and accepted all the "OFFICIAL VERSIONS" regarding 9-11
from the most criminal Political group in American history !!
 

DimeDR

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=* valign="top"><TBODY><TR><TD class=title vAlign=bottom noWrap align=left width=*>Famous Thomas Jefferson Quote </TD><TD vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE class=header cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=logo vAlign=bottom></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=5 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width="100%"><CENTER><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD class=quote vAlign=top width="100%">
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
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The Devil

EOG Master
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

GUESS THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS TALKING ABOUT IRAQ.......

What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

Wow ...

Ol Devil brings "Literary Classics" to another Level ...

Devil .... like Bush ... have you ever seen the inside of a Library?
 
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stucco43

Guest
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

DIME ARE YOU TOTALLY ANTI AMERICAN????

YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WE WALKED ON THE MOON........YOU DO NOT BELIEVE KENNEDY WAS SHOT BY OSWALD, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE 9-11 WAS DONE BY TERRORISTS.......

DO YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING GOOD THIS COUNTRY HAS DONE?
another pointless post by a sell-out traitor...
to go against scientific fact is incredible...
put then again the sociopath makes his own reality up...
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: seismic problems on 9/11 and wtcs

pay no mind to a MJer, they didnt want thor, agent nor myself ... they are ultimate bellsheep ...

again, no evidence showing this seismic truth, sad cloaking by the neocons
 
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