What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
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Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
When did innovation come into play? I thought your plan was to set the price so we pay what we want to pay and everything gets better.
On a serious note, the only way to drive the price down is to lower our dependence (demand) on it. Any innovations we can make to that end will have an impact on the price. It's not that we need a land without oil-dependent vehicles, it's just that we need less of them. We need to get out of the Saudi bed and create an incentive program that will make it worthwhile for inventors/entrepreneurs/manufacturers to find alternative energy power systems.
When did innovation come into play? I thought your plan was to set the price so we pay what we want to pay and everything gets better.
On a serious note, the only way to drive the price down is to lower our dependence (demand) on it. Any innovations we can make to that end will have an impact on the price. It's not that we need a land without oil-dependent vehicles, it's just that we need less of them. We need to get out of the Saudi bed and create an incentive program that will make it worthwhile for inventors/entrepreneurs/manufacturers to find alternative energy power systems.
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
I envision a massive effort like the Manhatten project as neccessary. In the meanwhile, life goes on and oil costs go back to pre Bush. Why the hell should our nation's future be tied to oil industry balance sheets? OPEC and Exxon have had their day and it's time for them to get out of the way. The public and industry get oil base energy at an affordable cost till we've got something to replace it with. The economy will be thriving at say a dollar a gallon. If there is no viable alternative to fossil fuel (something oil would like us to beleive) then we run out a few years sooner. That's the chance we take if we value preserving our way of life. Ain't no guarantees in this, but it's a move we must make. Exxon and OPEC, with their enormous power, do all they can to prevent competition from other energy sources and it's time we quite being pawns in their game. Our future's are riding on it.
I envision a massive effort like the Manhatten project as neccessary. In the meanwhile, life goes on and oil costs go back to pre Bush. Why the hell should our nation's future be tied to oil industry balance sheets? OPEC and Exxon have had their day and it's time for them to get out of the way. The public and industry get oil base energy at an affordable cost till we've got something to replace it with. The economy will be thriving at say a dollar a gallon. If there is no viable alternative to fossil fuel (something oil would like us to beleive) then we run out a few years sooner. That's the chance we take if we value preserving our way of life. Ain't no guarantees in this, but it's a move we must make. Exxon and OPEC, with their enormous power, do all they can to prevent competition from other energy sources and it's time we quite being pawns in their game. Our future's are riding on it.
HotShotHarvey
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
The towel-headed camel jockey terrorists will make sand castles, urinate on one another, make love to their donkeys, and beat their wives into submission!! Just like most of them do NOW!!
The towel-headed camel jockey terrorists will make sand castles, urinate on one another, make love to their donkeys, and beat their wives into submission!! Just like most of them do NOW!!
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
The can go back to harvesting sand for all I care.
The can go back to harvesting sand for all I care.
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
From Canadian article: Too bad for OPEC
Hundreds of semitrailer trucks zipping along North American highways are now powered in part by hydrogen. These 18-wheelers make hydrogen as they go, eliminating the need for high-pressure, cryogenic storage tanks or hydrogen filling stations, which, by the way, don't yet exist.
These truckers aren't just do-gooders. They like Canadian Hydrogen Energy's Hydrogen Fuel Injection, or HFI, system because it lets them save fuel, get more horsepower and, as a bonus, cause less pollution.
"We're saving $700 a month per truck on fuel," said Sherwin Fast, president of Great Plains Trucking in Salina, Kansas. The company tried the HFI system on four trucks and has ordered 25 more.
"Drivers like the increased power and noticed there is a lot less black smoke coming out of the stacks," said Fast.
HFI is a bolt-on, aftermarket part that injects small amounts of hydrogen into the engine air intake, said Canadian Hydrogen Energy's Steve Gilchrist. Fuel efficiency and horsepower are improved because hydrogen burns faster and hotter than diesel, dramatically boosting combustion efficiency.
"You get more work from the same amount of fuel," said Gilchrist.
This is not a new idea. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology published research on the uses of hydrogen as a combustion-enhancing agent in the early 1970s. But the ability to make hydrogen on the go is novel.
From Canadian article: Too bad for OPEC
Hundreds of semitrailer trucks zipping along North American highways are now powered in part by hydrogen. These 18-wheelers make hydrogen as they go, eliminating the need for high-pressure, cryogenic storage tanks or hydrogen filling stations, which, by the way, don't yet exist.
These truckers aren't just do-gooders. They like Canadian Hydrogen Energy's Hydrogen Fuel Injection, or HFI, system because it lets them save fuel, get more horsepower and, as a bonus, cause less pollution.
"We're saving $700 a month per truck on fuel," said Sherwin Fast, president of Great Plains Trucking in Salina, Kansas. The company tried the HFI system on four trucks and has ordered 25 more.
"Drivers like the increased power and noticed there is a lot less black smoke coming out of the stacks," said Fast.
HFI is a bolt-on, aftermarket part that injects small amounts of hydrogen into the engine air intake, said Canadian Hydrogen Energy's Steve Gilchrist. Fuel efficiency and horsepower are improved because hydrogen burns faster and hotter than diesel, dramatically boosting combustion efficiency.
"You get more work from the same amount of fuel," said Gilchrist.
This is not a new idea. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology published research on the uses of hydrogen as a combustion-enhancing agent in the early 1970s. But the ability to make hydrogen on the go is novel.
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Interesting article ....
Germany in call for ban on oil speculation
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 10:49pm BST 26/05/2008
German leaders are to propose a worldwide ban on oil trading by speculators, blaming the latest spike in crude prices on manipulation by hedge funds.
It is the most drastic proposal to date amid escalating calls from Europe, the US and Asia for controls on market forces, underscoring the profound shift in the political climate since the credit crunch began. India has already suspended futures trading of five commodities.
Uwe Beckmeyer, transport chief for Germany's Social Democrats, said his party would call for joint measures by the G8 powers to prohibit leveraged trading on energy contracts. "It's an extreme step but it has to be done," he told the Berlin media.
Mr Beckmeyer said the last 25pc rise in the price of oil to $135 a barrel had nothing to do with underlying supply and demand. ?It?s pure speculation,? he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/...
Interesting article ....
Germany in call for ban on oil speculation
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 10:49pm BST 26/05/2008
German leaders are to propose a worldwide ban on oil trading by speculators, blaming the latest spike in crude prices on manipulation by hedge funds.
It is the most drastic proposal to date amid escalating calls from Europe, the US and Asia for controls on market forces, underscoring the profound shift in the political climate since the credit crunch began. India has already suspended futures trading of five commodities.
Uwe Beckmeyer, transport chief for Germany's Social Democrats, said his party would call for joint measures by the G8 powers to prohibit leveraged trading on energy contracts. "It's an extreme step but it has to be done," he told the Berlin media.
Mr Beckmeyer said the last 25pc rise in the price of oil to $135 a barrel had nothing to do with underlying supply and demand. ?It?s pure speculation,? he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/...
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Hey ....
Georgey swapping spit with another man is as natural as John Daly drinking
a case of beer
Hey ....
Georgey swapping spit with another man is as natural as John Daly drinking
a case of beer
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Capper Jed,
You forgot to add the rest of the article from wired.com which includes some of the drawbacks of going with a hydrogen fuel injection system,they are:
1.It costs $5.00 a gallon to make hydrogen
2.Fuel savings are only 10% overall,the benefit is a reduction in pollution emissions
3.The HFI units cost between $4000.-$14,000 a big upfront outlay
4.Hydrogen fuel cells are years if ever away as 2040 is mentioned
BTW your source was:
Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power
Here's the rest of the story:
The sticking point for hydrogen has always been getting it. Unlike crude oil, natural gas, wind or solar energy, hydrogen doesn't exist freely in nature. It costs $5 a gallon to make hydrogen from natural gas.
But the HFI system uses electricity from an engine's alternator to power the electrolysis of water to produce hydrogen as needed from small amounts of distilled water.
"That's a big advantage and a bit of a novelty," said Venki Raman, an expert on hydrogen-energy applications who started Protium Energy Technologies.
HFI's manufacturer guarantees 10 percent fuel savings, which likely won't interest car companies or consumers, Raman said. But a reduction of pollution emissions could spur broader use.
Trucks with the HFI system produce half the amount of particulates -- microscopic, unburned bits of diesel. The system also reduces nitrogen-oxide emissions, which are major contributors to harmful air pollution, by up to 14 percent, according to Canada's Environmental Technology Verification Program.
The HFI units are relatively small and cost between $4,000 and $14,000, depending on the size of the vehicle.
"It looks like a good transition technology to hydrogen fuel cells, which are still at least 15 years away from commercialization," said Raman.
It will take at least until 2040 before fuel cells begin to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, according to the National Hydrogen Association, Gilchrist pointed out.
"We vehemently disagree with governments picking the fuel cell as the single path to a cleaner environment," he said.
Gilchrist recently argued just this point in meetings with California officials, who are considering buying prototype fuel-cell vehicles that will cost more than $1 million each. That money could buy many HFI systems, which would provide "300 times" the air-pollution reductions of one fuel-cell vehicle, he said.
Capper Jed,
You forgot to add the rest of the article from wired.com which includes some of the drawbacks of going with a hydrogen fuel injection system,they are:
1.It costs $5.00 a gallon to make hydrogen
2.Fuel savings are only 10% overall,the benefit is a reduction in pollution emissions
3.The HFI units cost between $4000.-$14,000 a big upfront outlay
4.Hydrogen fuel cells are years if ever away as 2040 is mentioned
BTW your source was:
Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power
Here's the rest of the story:
The sticking point for hydrogen has always been getting it. Unlike crude oil, natural gas, wind or solar energy, hydrogen doesn't exist freely in nature. It costs $5 a gallon to make hydrogen from natural gas.
But the HFI system uses electricity from an engine's alternator to power the electrolysis of water to produce hydrogen as needed from small amounts of distilled water.
"That's a big advantage and a bit of a novelty," said Venki Raman, an expert on hydrogen-energy applications who started Protium Energy Technologies.
HFI's manufacturer guarantees 10 percent fuel savings, which likely won't interest car companies or consumers, Raman said. But a reduction of pollution emissions could spur broader use.
Trucks with the HFI system produce half the amount of particulates -- microscopic, unburned bits of diesel. The system also reduces nitrogen-oxide emissions, which are major contributors to harmful air pollution, by up to 14 percent, according to Canada's Environmental Technology Verification Program.
The HFI units are relatively small and cost between $4,000 and $14,000, depending on the size of the vehicle.
"It looks like a good transition technology to hydrogen fuel cells, which are still at least 15 years away from commercialization," said Raman.
It will take at least until 2040 before fuel cells begin to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, according to the National Hydrogen Association, Gilchrist pointed out.
"We vehemently disagree with governments picking the fuel cell as the single path to a cleaner environment," he said.
Gilchrist recently argued just this point in meetings with California officials, who are considering buying prototype fuel-cell vehicles that will cost more than $1 million each. That money could buy many HFI systems, which would provide "300 times" the air-pollution reductions of one fuel-cell vehicle, he said.
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
The oil industry ie Exxon and OPEC want us to beleive there is no viable alternative to fossil fuel. Research and Development on a Manhattan Project scale with thousands of our sceintists and engineers on it, is a far more hopeful scenario than the country's current defeatest posture with everyone knowing we're getting screwed and oil is running low and seeing no option other than ever increasing and ridiculous fuel costs. I don't expect the oil boys to go quietlly as true patriotism is trumped by their bottom line which is hitting every pocketbook and every industry real hard. As with global warming they will lie and stall while 300 million of us are taking it up the backside.
Iceland phasing out fossil fuels for clean energy
By Peggy Mihelich
CNN
REYKJAVIK, Iceland (CNN) -- Iceland may be best known for world-famous musical export Bjork but there's a new star quickly gaining this island nation worldwide acclaim -- clean energy.
This hydrogen fuel cell car is leading an energy revolution in Iceland.
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more photos ?
For more than 50 years Iceland has been decreasing its dependence on fossil fuels by tapping the natural power all around this rainy, windswept rock of fire.
Waterfalls, volcanoes, geysers and hot springs provide Icelanders with abundant electricity and hot water.
Virtually all of the country's electricity and heating comes from domestic renewable energy sources -- hydroelectric power and geothermal springs.
It's pollution-free
The oil industry ie Exxon and OPEC want us to beleive there is no viable alternative to fossil fuel. Research and Development on a Manhattan Project scale with thousands of our sceintists and engineers on it, is a far more hopeful scenario than the country's current defeatest posture with everyone knowing we're getting screwed and oil is running low and seeing no option other than ever increasing and ridiculous fuel costs. I don't expect the oil boys to go quietlly as true patriotism is trumped by their bottom line which is hitting every pocketbook and every industry real hard. As with global warming they will lie and stall while 300 million of us are taking it up the backside.
Iceland phasing out fossil fuels for clean energy
By Peggy Mihelich
CNN
REYKJAVIK, Iceland (CNN) -- Iceland may be best known for world-famous musical export Bjork but there's a new star quickly gaining this island nation worldwide acclaim -- clean energy.
This hydrogen fuel cell car is leading an energy revolution in Iceland.
1 of 4
more photos ?
For more than 50 years Iceland has been decreasing its dependence on fossil fuels by tapping the natural power all around this rainy, windswept rock of fire.
Waterfalls, volcanoes, geysers and hot springs provide Icelanders with abundant electricity and hot water.
Virtually all of the country's electricity and heating comes from domestic renewable energy sources -- hydroelectric power and geothermal springs.
It's pollution-free
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
There is plenty of legal precedent for taking over an industry during times of national emergency and that's what I'd call five bucks a gallon and rising:
In our history during times of national emergency, there have been many drastic incursions on private property rights: the government’s nationalization of the railroads, the telegraph lines, and the Smith & Wesson Company during World War I; the railroads, the coal mines, the midwest trucking operators, and many other companies during World War II; During the Korean War, a failed attempt to seize the steel industry when President Harry S Truman ordered the Secretary of Commerce to seize and operate most of the country’s steel mills for the purpose of maintaining production of critical munitions.
One thing I agree with the right wingers on: We are at war. Big oil wants us to believe there are no viable alternatives to fossil fuel and prefers seeing the entire country on its knees in an utterly defeatist posture to a massive, Manhattan Project like, focus on energy alternatives. Any sacrifice of its record bottom line profits which are hitting every pocketbook and every industry hard is unacceptable to Exxon and OPEC. Now we ever so clearly understand why Bush holds hands with the oil shieks as the world oil industry girds against alternative energy. Time to roll back gas prices to pre Bush years. We've got plenty enough in our domestic supply to sell at a buck a gallon till our scientists and engineers get to working on a very solvable problem. Our economy will thrive again. It will surely die on the vine with current and, still rising rapidly, fuel costs. Big oil needs to get out of the way.
There is plenty of legal precedent for taking over an industry during times of national emergency and that's what I'd call five bucks a gallon and rising:
In our history during times of national emergency, there have been many drastic incursions on private property rights: the government’s nationalization of the railroads, the telegraph lines, and the Smith & Wesson Company during World War I; the railroads, the coal mines, the midwest trucking operators, and many other companies during World War II; During the Korean War, a failed attempt to seize the steel industry when President Harry S Truman ordered the Secretary of Commerce to seize and operate most of the country’s steel mills for the purpose of maintaining production of critical munitions.
One thing I agree with the right wingers on: We are at war. Big oil wants us to believe there are no viable alternatives to fossil fuel and prefers seeing the entire country on its knees in an utterly defeatist posture to a massive, Manhattan Project like, focus on energy alternatives. Any sacrifice of its record bottom line profits which are hitting every pocketbook and every industry hard is unacceptable to Exxon and OPEC. Now we ever so clearly understand why Bush holds hands with the oil shieks as the world oil industry girds against alternative energy. Time to roll back gas prices to pre Bush years. We've got plenty enough in our domestic supply to sell at a buck a gallon till our scientists and engineers get to working on a very solvable problem. Our economy will thrive again. It will surely die on the vine with current and, still rising rapidly, fuel costs. Big oil needs to get out of the way.
scrimmage
What you contemplate you imitate
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Some Icelandic facts from https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html :
<TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">Population:
In the absence of other natural resources (except for abundant geothermal power), the economy depends heavily on the fishing industry, which provides 70% of export earnings and employs 6% of the work force.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Icelands poulation is only 1/1000th the size of the US,the main industry is low energy intensive fishing,and the climate is moderate year round so there's less need for heating or cooling.
Iceland by luck of geography has ample geo and hydro power resources for all the energy needs of its small population,and Iceland only uses 18,000+ barrels of oil per day,compared to the US 22,000,000 per day consumption.
Comparing Iceland and the US on an energy basis is not valid IMO.
A Manhattan Project to develop fantastic new sources of energy sounds good,but faith in technology runs up against the hard reality of physics specifically EROEI Energy Return on Energy Invested.
Oil has been king and the energy of choice that helped the US to the top of the superpower heap with its 30-1 net yield.
Any alternative energy comes nowhere near that return,and any amount of research and development won't change that fact,just look at the Ethanol fiasco.
Alternative energy is fine,but a major change in the current American lifestyle would have to accompany its wide spread implementation for that to be an effective course to take.
Some Icelandic facts from https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html :
<TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">Population:
</TD><TD vAlign=top width="80%" bgColor=#ffffff>https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html#2119304,367 (July 2008 est.)
<TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">Oil - consumption:
<TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">
</TD><TD vAlign=top width="80%" bgColor=#ffffff>https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html#2174
</TD><TD vAlign=top width="80%" bgColor=#ffffff></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
18,460 bbl/day (2005 est.)
<TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">
fish, hydropower, geothermal power, diatomite </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">
temperate; moderated by North Atlantic Current; mild, windy winters; damp, cool summers </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">
Natural resources:
</TD><TD vAlign=top width="80%" bgColor=#ffffff>fish, hydropower, geothermal power, diatomite </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=FieldLabel vAlign=top width="20%">
Climate:
</TD><TD vAlign=top width="80%" bgColor=#ffffff>temperate; moderated by North Atlantic Current; mild, windy winters; damp, cool summers </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
In the absence of other natural resources (except for abundant geothermal power), the economy depends heavily on the fishing industry, which provides 70% of export earnings and employs 6% of the work force.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Icelands poulation is only 1/1000th the size of the US,the main industry is low energy intensive fishing,and the climate is moderate year round so there's less need for heating or cooling.
Iceland by luck of geography has ample geo and hydro power resources for all the energy needs of its small population,and Iceland only uses 18,000+ barrels of oil per day,compared to the US 22,000,000 per day consumption.
Comparing Iceland and the US on an energy basis is not valid IMO.
A Manhattan Project to develop fantastic new sources of energy sounds good,but faith in technology runs up against the hard reality of physics specifically EROEI Energy Return on Energy Invested.
Oil has been king and the energy of choice that helped the US to the top of the superpower heap with its 30-1 net yield.
Any alternative energy comes nowhere near that return,and any amount of research and development won't change that fact,just look at the Ethanol fiasco.
Alternative energy is fine,but a major change in the current American lifestyle would have to accompany its wide spread implementation for that to be an effective course to take.
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
The Jihadists back OPEC, of course. They'll be looking for work when American sceintists and engineers put them out of business with alternate energy forms. It ain't just bones from which we can extract energy and OPEC and Exxon don't want us to know this.
The Jihadists back OPEC, of course. They'll be looking for work when American sceintists and engineers put them out of business with alternate energy forms. It ain't just bones from which we can extract energy and OPEC and Exxon don't want us to know this.
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Scrimmage:
Nice work Senor!!
Well done ... good info
Scrimmage:
Nice work Senor!!
Well done ... good info
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Yea, like all the other OPEC and Exxon lackies scrimmage and anti want us to think there's no alternatives to fossil fuel. That the state of technology and knowlege we have today is the best we can expect. Yea great job scrimmage.
Yea, like all the other OPEC and Exxon lackies scrimmage and anti want us to think there's no alternatives to fossil fuel. That the state of technology and knowlege we have today is the best we can expect. Yea great job scrimmage.
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Capper:
not true ... I am open if it makes sense
Capper:
not true ... I am open if it makes sense
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama want to raise the price of oil, as well as most everything else, and lower the value of the pension and mutual funds that union members and retirees depend on.
Of course, they don't describe their plan that way. Instead, they call for a windfall-profits tax on the oil companies.
But it's the same thing.
Taxing a "windfall" sounds appealing, but stock prices are based on expected profits. Throw a new tax on profits, and retirement portfolios of regular people take a hit.
"Hillary will impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and use the money to temporarily suspend the 18.4 cent per gallon federal gas tax and the 24.4 cent per gallon diesel tax during the upcoming peak summer driving months," says her website (http://************/3jtlfp).
"They sure can afford it," she told an audience in Indianapolis.
Whom does she think "they" are?
Obama says: "It isn't right that oil companies are making record profits at a time when ordinary Americans are going into debt. ... That's why we'll put a windfall profits tax on oil companies...".
Taxing "windfalls" is politically rewarding, but in the final analysis, only people pay taxes. When a corporation is taxed, the burden falls on workers (through smaller raises), consumers (through higher prices) and shareholders (through lower stock prices).
Do Clinton and Obama really want to tax these innocent people just to spite oil executives for high profits?
Anyway, what is a "windfall"? Any answer is arbitrary. Obama says it's the profit made off oil that's priced above $80 a barrel. Why not $70? Or $90? Did he pull that number out of a hat?
At least he's honest enough to call his tax a windfall profits "penalty." But why do the companies deserve to be penalized? Have they behaved badly?
It's not their fault that demand for oil skyrocketed because of booming economies in China and India, and that tensions in the Middle East pushed prices up. It's not their fault government regulation keeps them from drilling in promising locations like Alaska and offshore, and harasses them when they want to build new refineries or expand old ones. It's not their fault the dollar has deteriorated dramatically.
Being in the oil business is profitable, but not as profitable as you may think. Last year, average earnings in the industry (net income divided by sales) were 8.3 percent. (They are lower this year.) Other industries have done better. Beverage and tobacco firms had returns of over 19 percent.
Yes, oil company profits have surged as the price of oil rose, but bigger profits are good for America. The vast majority of the money goes not to the pockets of oil executives, but to exploration for new oil. If you take the money away, who is hurt?
We don't have to speculate because we have experience to draw on. "We tried this windfall profits scheme in 1980," The Wall Street Journal writes. "It backfired. The Congressional Research Service found in a 1990 analysis that the tax reduced domestic oil production by 3 (percent) to 6 (percent) ...".
Repeating that would not be a good thing for the harried working families Clinton and Obama claim to champion.
Spiking prices and profits encourage investors to take risks to find more oil, develop oil substitutes and increase efficiency. We don't need a "national energy policy" because we already have one. It's called the free market. When oil prices rose a few years ago, old fields with hard-to-reach oil in Oklahoma were suddenly worth operating (http://************/5bqmog).
Economics 101: incentives matter. Now that the price of oil has reached a new high, oil companies and other entrepreneurs have more incentive to find new sources of energy.
Only that -- letting the profit-motive work -- will bring the price of oil down.
Interfering with markets may be good for politicians, but it's bad for everyone else.
Townhall.com::Windfall-Profit Nonsense::By John Stossel
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama want to raise the price of oil, as well as most everything else, and lower the value of the pension and mutual funds that union members and retirees depend on.
Of course, they don't describe their plan that way. Instead, they call for a windfall-profits tax on the oil companies.
But it's the same thing.
Taxing a "windfall" sounds appealing, but stock prices are based on expected profits. Throw a new tax on profits, and retirement portfolios of regular people take a hit.
"Hillary will impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and use the money to temporarily suspend the 18.4 cent per gallon federal gas tax and the 24.4 cent per gallon diesel tax during the upcoming peak summer driving months," says her website (http://************/3jtlfp).
"They sure can afford it," she told an audience in Indianapolis.
Whom does she think "they" are?
Obama says: "It isn't right that oil companies are making record profits at a time when ordinary Americans are going into debt. ... That's why we'll put a windfall profits tax on oil companies...".
Taxing "windfalls" is politically rewarding, but in the final analysis, only people pay taxes. When a corporation is taxed, the burden falls on workers (through smaller raises), consumers (through higher prices) and shareholders (through lower stock prices).
Do Clinton and Obama really want to tax these innocent people just to spite oil executives for high profits?
Anyway, what is a "windfall"? Any answer is arbitrary. Obama says it's the profit made off oil that's priced above $80 a barrel. Why not $70? Or $90? Did he pull that number out of a hat?
At least he's honest enough to call his tax a windfall profits "penalty." But why do the companies deserve to be penalized? Have they behaved badly?
It's not their fault that demand for oil skyrocketed because of booming economies in China and India, and that tensions in the Middle East pushed prices up. It's not their fault government regulation keeps them from drilling in promising locations like Alaska and offshore, and harasses them when they want to build new refineries or expand old ones. It's not their fault the dollar has deteriorated dramatically.
Being in the oil business is profitable, but not as profitable as you may think. Last year, average earnings in the industry (net income divided by sales) were 8.3 percent. (They are lower this year.) Other industries have done better. Beverage and tobacco firms had returns of over 19 percent.
Yes, oil company profits have surged as the price of oil rose, but bigger profits are good for America. The vast majority of the money goes not to the pockets of oil executives, but to exploration for new oil. If you take the money away, who is hurt?
We don't have to speculate because we have experience to draw on. "We tried this windfall profits scheme in 1980," The Wall Street Journal writes. "It backfired. The Congressional Research Service found in a 1990 analysis that the tax reduced domestic oil production by 3 (percent) to 6 (percent) ...".
Repeating that would not be a good thing for the harried working families Clinton and Obama claim to champion.
Spiking prices and profits encourage investors to take risks to find more oil, develop oil substitutes and increase efficiency. We don't need a "national energy policy" because we already have one. It's called the free market. When oil prices rose a few years ago, old fields with hard-to-reach oil in Oklahoma were suddenly worth operating (http://************/5bqmog).
Economics 101: incentives matter. Now that the price of oil has reached a new high, oil companies and other entrepreneurs have more incentive to find new sources of energy.
Only that -- letting the profit-motive work -- will bring the price of oil down.
Interfering with markets may be good for politicians, but it's bad for everyone else.
Townhall.com::Windfall-Profit Nonsense::By John Stossel
Spytheweb
EOG Addicted
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
They will be sitting pretty. They will own half of the United States and maybe one or 2 of the NFL teams. America is for sale and the arabs are buying. They may even buy stock in the Federal Reserve Bank. They can now buy city blocks of homes cheap. They will be doing fine.
They will be sitting pretty. They will own half of the United States and maybe one or 2 of the NFL teams. America is for sale and the arabs are buying. They may even buy stock in the Federal Reserve Bank. They can now buy city blocks of homes cheap. They will be doing fine.
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
OK FRANK ARE THESE LARGE ENOUGH ???
DO NOT WORRY NOT MANY SHEEP ARE BARFING.THOSE FOOLs DO NOT HAVE A CLUE OF HOW MUCH IS BEING STOLEN FROM THEM.
President Bush Addresses Members of the Knesset
President George W. Bush receives a standing ovation by members of the Knesset Thursday, May 15, 2008, in Jerusalem. Acknowledging the 60th anniversary of Israel’s independence, the President told the Israeli parliament, “Earlier today, I after a long consultation with dual citizen Frank Johnson. I signed executive order #1948. Authorizing Israel as the only beneficiary of every Available American Tax dollar !!! No more money for any person who resides in any of the 50 states or Puerto Rico. Everything for Israel. Whatever they want they can have. Are you happy yet Crapperjed ???
WAIT A MINUTE DUAL Citizens of Israel FIRST STATE IN THE UNION still WANT EVEN MORE !!!
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD>President George W. Bush acknowledges Dalia Itzik, Speaker of the Knesset, as he visits the Israeli parliament Thursday, May 15, 2008, in Jerusalem. At right is Israel’s President Shimon Peres " HEY great you own me & congress. Do you want me start another war for you guys ??? "
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD>President George W. Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush stand with Mrs. Aliza Olmert, spouse of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert." Look just give me the word ....I will start bombing Iran tomorrow ...Syria on Friday , Lebanon on Saturday and France on Sunday !!! Just give me the go ahead. "
"Wow this IS fun you people really do run AMERICA.Boy those sheep are so DUMB !!!"
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Click on photo for larger image which will make you barf!
OK FRANK ARE THESE LARGE ENOUGH ???
DO NOT WORRY NOT MANY SHEEP ARE BARFING.THOSE FOOLs DO NOT HAVE A CLUE OF HOW MUCH IS BEING STOLEN FROM THEM.
President Bush Addresses Members of the Knesset
President George W. Bush receives a standing ovation by members of the Knesset Thursday, May 15, 2008, in Jerusalem. Acknowledging the 60th anniversary of Israel’s independence, the President told the Israeli parliament, “Earlier today, I after a long consultation with dual citizen Frank Johnson. I signed executive order #1948. Authorizing Israel as the only beneficiary of every Available American Tax dollar !!! No more money for any person who resides in any of the 50 states or Puerto Rico. Everything for Israel. Whatever they want they can have. Are you happy yet Crapperjed ???
WAIT A MINUTE DUAL Citizens of Israel FIRST STATE IN THE UNION still WANT EVEN MORE !!!
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD>President George W. Bush acknowledges Dalia Itzik, Speaker of the Knesset, as he visits the Israeli parliament Thursday, May 15, 2008, in Jerusalem. At right is Israel’s President Shimon Peres " HEY great you own me & congress. Do you want me start another war for you guys ??? "<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=515 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 bgColor=#000000 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center align=middle><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD>President George W. Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush stand with Mrs. Aliza Olmert, spouse of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert." Look just give me the word ....I will start bombing Iran tomorrow ...Syria on Friday , Lebanon on Saturday and France on Sunday !!! Just give me the go ahead. "
"Wow this IS fun you people really do run AMERICA.Boy those sheep are so DUMB !!!"
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G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Frank Johnson get a grip on reality. You really are obsessed about Diggin , RD & I.
What did you have a one minute delay on your flight back from Israel ??? Is that what is upsetting you ??? Or did you forget to shot your quota of Arab children under the age of ten years old ???
Beside humanity central will ALWAYS EMPLOY ME TO COUNTER YOUR UTTER BALDERDASH . So I have Job security for a good ten life times.
Frank Johnson get a grip on reality. You really are obsessed about Diggin , RD & I.
What did you have a one minute delay on your flight back from Israel ??? Is that what is upsetting you ??? Or did you forget to shot your quota of Arab children under the age of ten years old ???
Beside humanity central will ALWAYS EMPLOY ME TO COUNTER YOUR UTTER BALDERDASH . So I have Job security for a good ten life times.
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
What is the matter Frank you seeing those American Dollars for Israel being siphoned off by the Arabs ???
I see some other people ruining / running America & they are not the Amish !!!
What is the matter Frank you seeing those American Dollars for Israel being siphoned off by the Arabs ???
I see some other people ruining / running America & they are not the Amish !!!
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Hey Temu, you know it to be so as your concubiine Diggin posted it, but Israel gets slightly less than 3 billion a year in aid from the U.S. That's about a week's cost of the Iraq war and not much in the scheme of things to support a fabulous nation with achievements beyond its tiny numbers..............and a democracy as well. Just keep on hating, sucka. Like I said, you're a hideous caricature of frustration and hatred. Don't forget Temu baby, Israel was Judea, the Jewish homeland before Islam was even founded and the survivors from the holocaust just drive you crazy you poor slob.
Hey Temu, you know it to be so as your concubiine Diggin posted it, but Israel gets slightly less than 3 billion a year in aid from the U.S. That's about a week's cost of the Iraq war and not much in the scheme of things to support a fabulous nation with achievements beyond its tiny numbers..............and a democracy as well. Just keep on hating, sucka. Like I said, you're a hideous caricature of frustration and hatred. Don't forget Temu baby, Israel was Judea, the Jewish homeland before Islam was even founded and the survivors from the holocaust just drive you crazy you poor slob.
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Here is a scoop for you schizophrenic child....
[1] You are Frank Johnson alias FATMAMATANG aka KatzkillsKenny Arab hater extraordinaire !!!
[2] CrapperJeb you fool some of the people some of the time & most of the American sheep all the time .But you can not dupe ylee old Mr. TEMUJIN anytime !!!
Methinks you need mental help !!!
Here is a scoop for you schizophrenic child....
[1] You are Frank Johnson alias FATMAMATANG aka KatzkillsKenny Arab hater extraordinaire !!!
[2] CrapperJeb you fool some of the people some of the time & most of the American sheep all the time .But you can not dupe ylee old Mr. TEMUJIN anytime !!!
Methinks you need mental help !!!
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
That is 3 billion bucks to many Frannie girl. Frank why do you always take credit for Israel's success . Even amongst Jews you are a laughing stock. You still are a pathetic putz .
I drive you crazy . I thought you left never to return.
SAME OLD FRANK B.S.
I will keep shinning the light of truth on you little fibber !!!
That is 3 billion bucks to many Frannie girl. Frank why do you always take credit for Israel's success . Even amongst Jews you are a laughing stock. You still are a pathetic putz .
I drive you crazy . I thought you left never to return.
SAME OLD FRANK B.S.
I will keep shinning the light of truth on you little fibber !!!
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Just cause you are jealous of and hate Jews doesn't mean I hate Arabs, though a sizeable number such as yourself and Adolf Hitler some years back covet our annhilation. The arab masses are sold a bill of goods, living in squalor, while their oil shieks tool around in Mercedes and hire guys like you to keep them off target on who's actually giving it to them in the butt. Just get your sand harvest skills honed cause the day for oil will soon be over. Hydro, sugar and more will take its place. See, Temu baby, it's not just bones from which we can extract energy.
Just cause you are jealous of and hate Jews doesn't mean I hate Arabs, though a sizeable number such as yourself and Adolf Hitler some years back covet our annhilation. The arab masses are sold a bill of goods, living in squalor, while their oil shieks tool around in Mercedes and hire guys like you to keep them off target on who's actually giving it to them in the butt. Just get your sand harvest skills honed cause the day for oil will soon be over. Hydro, sugar and more will take its place. See, Temu baby, it's not just bones from which we can extract energy.
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Today's technology and knowlege can be quickly outdated by Yankee sceintists and engineers working round the clock to perfect clean and viable energy sources. We're seeing just the tip of the iceberg with sugar in Brazil, hydrogen in Canada and the sceintific possiblities remaining to be discovered can't be any more daunting than gently setting down the Phoenix lander on Mars the other day. Exxon and OPEC give us a global warming like propoganda effort to eliminate the competition to oil, but hopefully 300 million Americans hopes and dreams will win out over five dollars and rising a gallon real soon.
Today's technology and knowlege can be quickly outdated by Yankee sceintists and engineers working round the clock to perfect clean and viable energy sources. We're seeing just the tip of the iceberg with sugar in Brazil, hydrogen in Canada and the sceintific possiblities remaining to be discovered can't be any more daunting than gently setting down the Phoenix lander on Mars the other day. Exxon and OPEC give us a global warming like propoganda effort to eliminate the competition to oil, but hopefully 300 million Americans hopes and dreams will win out over five dollars and rising a gallon real soon.
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Your right you do not hate Arabs... you despise everyone.
What are you smokin Fran ???
You really are deluded .
I post the HONEST TRUTH !! Then you project your paranoids self delusions on to my sane straight forward factual observastions. You twist , distort and out right lie to make people feel shame for your sorry tuchas.
What a devious deviant you are. Michael Lerner , David Horowitz , Sumner Redstone , Norman Finklestein , Noam Chomsky and many , many others say you do not speak for them you stupid schmuck .
Your right you do not hate Arabs... you despise everyone.
What are you smokin Fran ???
You really are deluded .
I post the HONEST TRUTH !! Then you project your paranoids self delusions on to my sane straight forward factual observastions. You twist , distort and out right lie to make people feel shame for your sorry tuchas.
What a devious deviant you are. Michael Lerner , David Horowitz , Sumner Redstone , Norman Finklestein , Noam Chomsky and many , many others say you do not speak for them you stupid schmuck .
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
My final word to OPEC queen Temu Baby.
My final word to OPEC queen Temu Baby.
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Your final word ???
You are so full of camel dung. You spew forth inane worthless mutterings to stir up trouble. You have innumerable temper tantrums . Wanting everyone to look at frank , look at frank , look at frank , look at frank. Pay frank attention , pay frank attention , pay frank attention.
Read is moronic postings.
I have yet to see someone post how brilliant you are crapperjed aka fatmamatang alias FRANK JOHNSON.
Nor have I read one , just one thread boosting of your fantastic logic , super insight & marvelous intellect. Am I missing something wonder boy ???
Just because bubby says you are a world renowned genius does not make it so in the real world. You are a uncrafty kook !!!
Your final word ???
You are so full of camel dung. You spew forth inane worthless mutterings to stir up trouble. You have innumerable temper tantrums . Wanting everyone to look at frank , look at frank , look at frank , look at frank. Pay frank attention , pay frank attention , pay frank attention.
Read is moronic postings.
I have yet to see someone post how brilliant you are crapperjed aka fatmamatang alias FRANK JOHNSON.
Nor have I read one , just one thread boosting of your fantastic logic , super insight & marvelous intellect. Am I missing something wonder boy ???
Just because bubby says you are a world renowned genius does not make it so in the real world. You are a uncrafty kook !!!
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Your starting to scare me.
Hey another great comeback !!!!
Hey , come on Fran just between you & I ... I promise not to tell did come up with that witty reply on your own or Bubbii whisper it in to her little man's ear ???
Hey please tell me I swear not to tell anyone ghost writes your terrible material !!!
Hey Fran settle down you are going to have a coronary or stroke !!!
Hey Fran you should ask katzkills central for all your shekels back for that class you took on How to win friends and influence people learn childish crapperjed charisma techniques like a Wall Street Pro !!
Sorry took so long to respond still vomiting over those pictures of you & Bush.
Your starting to scare me.
Hey another great comeback !!!!
Hey , come on Fran just between you & I ... I promise not to tell did come up with that witty reply on your own or Bubbii whisper it in to her little man's ear ???
Hey please tell me I swear not to tell anyone ghost writes your terrible material !!!
Hey Fran settle down you are going to have a coronary or stroke !!!
Hey Fran you should ask katzkills central for all your shekels back for that class you took on How to win friends and influence people learn childish crapperjed charisma techniques like a Wall Street Pro !!
Sorry took so long to respond still vomiting over those pictures of you & Bush.
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
WHATEVER YOU SAY FRAN
CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang Debating Techniques
Often times a lot of what we read enters the back of our minds at a subconscious level and it lies there, latent and gently percolating away until such time as an outside event prompts our conscious recollection of it. Such it is with crapperJed's debating style.Taboos are very useful for putting sensitive subjects beyond debate, as CrapperJed himself has pointed out. The one thing the CrapperJed fear above all else is an even-handed and totally open investigation into his long and checkered history, for the ugliness thereby revealed would be simply beyond the belief of all bar the most heavily initiated of persons. Not surprisingly, therefore, CrapperJed has developed a series of techniques for stifling debate on such issues and avoiding having to address these sensitive matters AT ALL. One such technique and its most eloquent exponent CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang discussion philosphy.
Those of us who espouse views which are generally taken to be outside the current spectrum of "acceptable opinion" by the popular media will if we are lucky enough to get a platform in the first place often find ourselves taken to task in the presence of a poster like CrapperJed who falsely purports to be a well informed person on on a wide variety of issues & topics. Many, many years ago, such encounters were the norm and indeed unfettered, free and open debate was quite properly regarded as the only viable route to establishing the real, underlying truth. But that was some decades ago when the self chosen stranglehold over ''permissible utterances'' & main stream media was very much weaker. I refer of course to those increasingly distant days prior to the advent of this political-correctness nonsense.
Now, if one has something dreadful to hide for which one can offer no valid excuse, it does not benefit one to debate one's beliefs in the forums spotlight, for fear of being caught short of an appropriate response to an unwelcome or unexpected question or accusation.
CrapperJed and her oh so many personalities uniquely, has developed the perfect techniques in such awkward situations:
{1} call your adversary a " Nazi " and / or " Jihadist "
{2} if that does not succeeds always fain ''the disgusted upset walk-out.'' vowing never to return.
CrapperJed's ''storm of self-righteous indignation" method offers a number of benefits for any of CrapperJed's debating opponent who's been caught off-guard on a sensitive issue. Namely:
1. It lends to him the elevated self chosen '' moral authority '' .Then he appears to occupy the high moral ground by virtue of storming off in feigned disgust with his nose in the air, rather than '' lowering himself '' to bandy words with those of seemingly fixed opinions hostile to Israel real control of America.
2. It avoids him having to answer any awkward questions concerning his people and their ''interesting history'' such as All those American Tax dollars for Israel or the genocide in Palestine. That his interlocutor might confront him about from out of the blue with hard, indisputable evidence.
3. It creates in the audience a sense of sympathy and respect for CrapperJed, who though clearly so grievously insulted, exercised immense dignity and self-control by simply walking out, rather than defend fibbs with even more outrageous lies .
4. Most importantly of course, it enables the CrapperJed to yet again escape ScottyL-free without ever having to address a single allegation made against him & who really runs / ruins many facets of America's way of life and/or their complex and deeply troubling history.
CrapperJed is the self chosen Grand Master of the self-righteous storm-out. CrapperJed specialty is storming out in self-righteous indignation the moment anyone raised any uncomfortable facts concerning the Tribe of YOU KNOW WHO.
CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang has it down to a very fine art and really should have been a character actor in films. The moment anyone ventured into any area that was REMOTELY critical of the Jews or Israel, CrapperJed assume a deathly grave tone, solemnly gather his keyboard together, throw down his mouse and with well-practiced theatricality, and simply walk out of a thread without a word, shaking his head in disgust. Seemingly no one ever worked out that the move was simply a ruse to avoid having to address the issue raised. CrapperJed would subsequently hope to enjoy sympathy heaped upon him by empathetic viewers for his noble refusal to get down and dirty with '' Nazis , Jihadist , rednecks , kkkmen , racists and other well known anti-Semites " .
So, well informed post / forum reader, please remember that CrapperJed who storms out of threads is not really offended at all. He simply cannot justify himself or Israel running America. CrapperJed has no answers that the rest of us would deem acceptable.
And CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang KNOWS IT !!!!!!
WHATEVER YOU SAY FRAN
CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang Debating Techniques
Often times a lot of what we read enters the back of our minds at a subconscious level and it lies there, latent and gently percolating away until such time as an outside event prompts our conscious recollection of it. Such it is with crapperJed's debating style.Taboos are very useful for putting sensitive subjects beyond debate, as CrapperJed himself has pointed out. The one thing the CrapperJed fear above all else is an even-handed and totally open investigation into his long and checkered history, for the ugliness thereby revealed would be simply beyond the belief of all bar the most heavily initiated of persons. Not surprisingly, therefore, CrapperJed has developed a series of techniques for stifling debate on such issues and avoiding having to address these sensitive matters AT ALL. One such technique and its most eloquent exponent CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang discussion philosphy.
Those of us who espouse views which are generally taken to be outside the current spectrum of "acceptable opinion" by the popular media will if we are lucky enough to get a platform in the first place often find ourselves taken to task in the presence of a poster like CrapperJed who falsely purports to be a well informed person on on a wide variety of issues & topics. Many, many years ago, such encounters were the norm and indeed unfettered, free and open debate was quite properly regarded as the only viable route to establishing the real, underlying truth. But that was some decades ago when the self chosen stranglehold over ''permissible utterances'' & main stream media was very much weaker. I refer of course to those increasingly distant days prior to the advent of this political-correctness nonsense.
Now, if one has something dreadful to hide for which one can offer no valid excuse, it does not benefit one to debate one's beliefs in the forums spotlight, for fear of being caught short of an appropriate response to an unwelcome or unexpected question or accusation.
CrapperJed and her oh so many personalities uniquely, has developed the perfect techniques in such awkward situations:
{1} call your adversary a " Nazi " and / or " Jihadist "
{2} if that does not succeeds always fain ''the disgusted upset walk-out.'' vowing never to return.
CrapperJed's ''storm of self-righteous indignation" method offers a number of benefits for any of CrapperJed's debating opponent who's been caught off-guard on a sensitive issue. Namely:
1. It lends to him the elevated self chosen '' moral authority '' .Then he appears to occupy the high moral ground by virtue of storming off in feigned disgust with his nose in the air, rather than '' lowering himself '' to bandy words with those of seemingly fixed opinions hostile to Israel real control of America.
2. It avoids him having to answer any awkward questions concerning his people and their ''interesting history'' such as All those American Tax dollars for Israel or the genocide in Palestine. That his interlocutor might confront him about from out of the blue with hard, indisputable evidence.
3. It creates in the audience a sense of sympathy and respect for CrapperJed, who though clearly so grievously insulted, exercised immense dignity and self-control by simply walking out, rather than defend fibbs with even more outrageous lies .
4. Most importantly of course, it enables the CrapperJed to yet again escape ScottyL-free without ever having to address a single allegation made against him & who really runs / ruins many facets of America's way of life and/or their complex and deeply troubling history.
CrapperJed is the self chosen Grand Master of the self-righteous storm-out. CrapperJed specialty is storming out in self-righteous indignation the moment anyone raised any uncomfortable facts concerning the Tribe of YOU KNOW WHO.
CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang has it down to a very fine art and really should have been a character actor in films. The moment anyone ventured into any area that was REMOTELY critical of the Jews or Israel, CrapperJed assume a deathly grave tone, solemnly gather his keyboard together, throw down his mouse and with well-practiced theatricality, and simply walk out of a thread without a word, shaking his head in disgust. Seemingly no one ever worked out that the move was simply a ruse to avoid having to address the issue raised. CrapperJed would subsequently hope to enjoy sympathy heaped upon him by empathetic viewers for his noble refusal to get down and dirty with '' Nazis , Jihadist , rednecks , kkkmen , racists and other well known anti-Semites " .
So, well informed post / forum reader, please remember that CrapperJed who storms out of threads is not really offended at all. He simply cannot justify himself or Israel running America. CrapperJed has no answers that the rest of us would deem acceptable.
And CrapperJed aka FrankJohnson alias Fatmamatang KNOWS IT !!!!!!
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
Not so fran/crapper .
[1] I would never be caught dead with that evil lying murdering immoral Tyrant Bush !!!
{a personality sort of like you , but that creep has the power to destroy , something you wish you had }
[2] I am better looking , older , wiser & more spiritual then that member of the house of Saud .
[3] How is your planned attack on Iran coming dual citizen ???
TEMUJIN WITH BUSH
Not so fran/crapper .
[1] I would never be caught dead with that evil lying murdering immoral Tyrant Bush !!!
{a personality sort of like you , but that creep has the power to destroy , something you wish you had }
[2] I am better looking , older , wiser & more spiritual then that member of the house of Saud .
[3] How is your planned attack on Iran coming dual citizen ???
G. K. TEMUJIN
EOG Veteran
Re: What will OPEC nations do when oil obsolete?
TEMPER , TEMPER TIMEOUT
ARE YOU TALKING TO T0EJAMSKY ???
:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
TEMPER , TEMPER TIMEOUT
ARE YOU TALKING TO T0EJAMSKY ???
:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO