CLASSIC WRESTLING THREAD (Greatest ever face/heel turns)
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Was ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED when Barry Windham turned on Lex Luger and joined the Four Horsemen
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Was ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED when Barry Windham turned on Lex Luger and joined the Four Horsemen
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Hulk Hogan joins the NWO
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Hulk Hogan joins the NWO
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Shawn Michaels turns on Marty Janetty on the "Barber Shop"
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Shawn Michaels turns on Marty Janetty on the "Barber Shop"
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Ego74
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Ole Anderson turns on Dusty Rhodes (they just don't do it like this anymore, listen to the crowd trying to drown out Ole's interview)
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Ole Anderson turns on Dusty Rhodes (they just don't do it like this anymore, listen to the crowd trying to drown out Ole's interview)
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Jimmy Garvin turns face to save "brother" Ronnie Garvin
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Jimmy Garvin turns face to save "brother" Ronnie Garvin
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Wildfire was my favorite!!! The fact that we shared the name Tommy didn't hurt. I saw Wildfire wrestle Harley Race in the Omni for the heavyweight title when I was a kid. Tommy's mother was in the front row and got into a shouting match with Harley as a distraction.
Ole was just an EVIL SOB back then.
Wildfire was my favorite!!! The fact that we shared the name Tommy didn't hurt. I saw Wildfire wrestle Harley Race in the Omni for the heavyweight title when I was a kid. Tommy's mother was in the front row and got into a shouting match with Harley as a distraction.
Ole was just an EVIL SOB back then.
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Hulk Hogan turning bad and joining the NWO is possibly the biggest ever.
Turns against Hogan over the years have also been huge:
- Andre The Giant turning bad so he could face Hogan at WM-III.
- Paul Orndorff turning on Hogan resulting in a monumental feud.
- Randy Savage turning on Hogan to set up WM-V.
Sgt. Slaughter turning bad back in 1990 was huge as well - one of the biggest American Hero's turning his back and joining up with the heels.
Roddy Piper being turned face by the WWF in 1987 en route to his "retirement match" was big at the time. Before that was one of the biggest heels in the business.
Randy Savage turning good in 1987 after WM-III was big also. Was one of the biggest heels for years and had to fill the face void of Steamboat's departure and Jake Roberts's regular injuries.
Ric Flair turning face in 1989 was a big change in the NWA/WCW. They really had no new faces for him to feud with after his classic feud with Ricky Steamboat was over. So they turned him good with a brutal attack by Terry Funk. Of course, they turned him back to heel less than a year later but it was fun while it lasted.
Lex Luger's eventual face turn in the WWE after starting as a heel was big because he had to fill the void of Hulk Hogan being gone. Despite trying to make him the top face, they never let him win the title.
As someone else mentioned, Barry Windham turning heel in 1988 was easily one of the biggest heel turns ever. No one saw it coming with him and Luger being face tag champs together. But the NWA reached a point where they just didn't have enough heels go they had to turn him and eventually also turned Ron Garvin a couple months later which shocked people also.
The various Russians over the years turning face always felt big. Nikita Koloff turning face in 1986 after Magnum TA's accident was huge. Losing Magnum was tough and they needed to spice things up.
The Rock and Steve Austin had some heel/face turns that were big and kept their feud going a long time. They kept switching Rock from face to heel to face, and then heel when he finally became WWF champ the first time. Austin changed a few times also.
Some of the Undertaker's heel and face turns were big. He had the drawing power to be the top heel or face at anytime - the WWF could spin him however they needed him and it would all keep working.
So many turns! I could go on so much here.
Hulk Hogan turning bad and joining the NWO is possibly the biggest ever.
Turns against Hogan over the years have also been huge:
- Andre The Giant turning bad so he could face Hogan at WM-III.
- Paul Orndorff turning on Hogan resulting in a monumental feud.
- Randy Savage turning on Hogan to set up WM-V.
Sgt. Slaughter turning bad back in 1990 was huge as well - one of the biggest American Hero's turning his back and joining up with the heels.
Roddy Piper being turned face by the WWF in 1987 en route to his "retirement match" was big at the time. Before that was one of the biggest heels in the business.
Randy Savage turning good in 1987 after WM-III was big also. Was one of the biggest heels for years and had to fill the face void of Steamboat's departure and Jake Roberts's regular injuries.
Ric Flair turning face in 1989 was a big change in the NWA/WCW. They really had no new faces for him to feud with after his classic feud with Ricky Steamboat was over. So they turned him good with a brutal attack by Terry Funk. Of course, they turned him back to heel less than a year later but it was fun while it lasted.
Lex Luger's eventual face turn in the WWE after starting as a heel was big because he had to fill the void of Hulk Hogan being gone. Despite trying to make him the top face, they never let him win the title.
As someone else mentioned, Barry Windham turning heel in 1988 was easily one of the biggest heel turns ever. No one saw it coming with him and Luger being face tag champs together. But the NWA reached a point where they just didn't have enough heels go they had to turn him and eventually also turned Ron Garvin a couple months later which shocked people also.
The various Russians over the years turning face always felt big. Nikita Koloff turning face in 1986 after Magnum TA's accident was huge. Losing Magnum was tough and they needed to spice things up.
The Rock and Steve Austin had some heel/face turns that were big and kept their feud going a long time. They kept switching Rock from face to heel to face, and then heel when he finally became WWF champ the first time. Austin changed a few times also.
Some of the Undertaker's heel and face turns were big. He had the drawing power to be the top heel or face at anytime - the WWF could spin him however they needed him and it would all keep working.
So many turns! I could go on so much here.
Ego74
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Tommy was the "Hulk Hogan" of Pro Wrestling from about 1980-1983
Should of gotten either a longer reign as NWA Champion or no reign at all. That five days as champion caused more harm than good for his career (along with a few other things)
Was sad to see him wrestling in a Jr High School gym as a member of the "New" Fabulous Ones in 1984 while Vince McMahon was expanding nationally
Tommy was the "Hulk Hogan" of Pro Wrestling from about 1980-1983
Should of gotten either a longer reign as NWA Champion or no reign at all. That five days as champion caused more harm than good for his career (along with a few other things)
Was sad to see him wrestling in a Jr High School gym as a member of the "New" Fabulous Ones in 1984 while Vince McMahon was expanding nationally
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Yes, I was very sad to see Tommy's demise, as well.
Yes, I was very sad to see Tommy's demise, as well.
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Here's the Orndorff heel turn on Hogan
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Here's the Orndorff heel turn on Hogan
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Munchkin Man
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Greetings:
As a late arriver to this thread, the Munchkin Man deeply appreciates the memories provided those who posted about some of the greatest face and heel turns in the history of professional wrestling.
The Munchkin Man's all time favorite heel turn was the night that Hulk Hogan joined the nWo and told the fans to "stick it!"
One heel turn that has not been mentioned was the one in which Paul Jones turned against his tag team partner, Ricky Steamboat, by piledriving him after a two-ring battle royal.
The Munchkin Man was shocked.
The Munchkin Man had to look up the date for this one. According to one source, it was in December of 1978 and took place in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Best Wishes,
Munchkin Man
Greetings:
As a late arriver to this thread, the Munchkin Man deeply appreciates the memories provided those who posted about some of the greatest face and heel turns in the history of professional wrestling.
The Munchkin Man's all time favorite heel turn was the night that Hulk Hogan joined the nWo and told the fans to "stick it!"
One heel turn that has not been mentioned was the one in which Paul Jones turned against his tag team partner, Ricky Steamboat, by piledriving him after a two-ring battle royal.
The Munchkin Man was shocked.
The Munchkin Man had to look up the date for this one. According to one source, it was in December of 1978 and took place in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Best Wishes,
Munchkin Man
joe67
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ego,I remember mid atlantic as well.great television.
bulldog brower,dino bravo,blackjack daniels,flair,paul jones,steamboat,valentine,rufus r jones'the freight train',baron von raschke and the'claw'.my favorite was a polish wrestler the mighty igor.I will never forget when brower ruined igors birthday by smashing him in the face with some coins.igor used to come out with a little dog.
god,I was a little kid and that brings back some memories.funny stuff
great thread
I would love some classic flair interviews,he really was another gorgeous george in his prime.great showman.
we need a classic television thread.all the stuff from the 70s,like afterschool specials,great commercials.love this thread
ego,I remember mid atlantic as well.great television.
bulldog brower,dino bravo,blackjack daniels,flair,paul jones,steamboat,valentine,rufus r jones'the freight train',baron von raschke and the'claw'.my favorite was a polish wrestler the mighty igor.I will never forget when brower ruined igors birthday by smashing him in the face with some coins.igor used to come out with a little dog.
god,I was a little kid and that brings back some memories.funny stuff
great thread
I would love some classic flair interviews,he really was another gorgeous george in his prime.great showman.
we need a classic television thread.all the stuff from the 70s,like afterschool specials,great commercials.love this thread
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Thanks Joe :cheers
Here's the beginning of the Wahoo McDaniel heel turn (video not the greatest quality)
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Thanks Joe :cheers
Here's the beginning of the Wahoo McDaniel heel turn (video not the greatest quality)
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Roddy Piper exposes Eric Bischoff as a fraud
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Roddy Piper exposes Eric Bischoff as a fraud
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Andy Kaufman dupes "The King" into teaming with him
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Andy Kaufman dupes "The King" into teaming with him
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Roddy Piper exposing the Bischoff NWO turn was a great interview when it aired live. I think Bischoff becoming heel was just so inevitable. No one liked him as an announcer, a booker, or anything else he's ever done so it made perfect sense. And with how they built it up with Piper exposing it was great.
The Jimmy Garvin face turn was big at the time it happened. And that whole incident boosted both Ron and Jimmy into big time faces. Not only the feud with the Midnight Express and Cornette but eventually getting Ron and Jimmy into the world title picture against Ric Flair - with Ron eventually winning the belt from him for a while. I liked 1987 a lot - one of the best years ever for wrestling.
Roddy Piper exposing the Bischoff NWO turn was a great interview when it aired live. I think Bischoff becoming heel was just so inevitable. No one liked him as an announcer, a booker, or anything else he's ever done so it made perfect sense. And with how they built it up with Piper exposing it was great.
The Jimmy Garvin face turn was big at the time it happened. And that whole incident boosted both Ron and Jimmy into big time faces. Not only the feud with the Midnight Express and Cornette but eventually getting Ron and Jimmy into the world title picture against Ric Flair - with Ron eventually winning the belt from him for a while. I liked 1987 a lot - one of the best years ever for wrestling.
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Eddie Gilbert dupes Tommy Rich
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Eddie Gilbert dupes Tommy Rich
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This is a great thread, lots of memories, lots of classics.
The most memorable heel turn for me was the Orndorff-Hogan. I remember it so clearly. Orndorff was one of my favorites at the time and I was still kinda naive, it shocked me.
I bet those boys (Bundy, Studd, Orndorff, Hogan) have some crazy stories from the road eh. But probly can't touch the clique?
This is a great thread, lots of memories, lots of classics.
The most memorable heel turn for me was the Orndorff-Hogan. I remember it so clearly. Orndorff was one of my favorites at the time and I was still kinda naive, it shocked me.
I bet those boys (Bundy, Studd, Orndorff, Hogan) have some crazy stories from the road eh. But probly can't touch the clique?
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I couldn't understand it back then either. Barry Windham or Nikita Koloff would have been way better choices. But those were the start of the days when the NWA wanted to go head to head with the WWF and my guess is they had to pick someone to beat Flair who wouldn't use the title to build themselves up and jump ship. So they couldn't have someone too good win it and they knew Garvin could at least work some good matches with Flair. I still think the "Garvin Stomp" might have been one of lamest wrestling routines ever done.
I couldn't understand it back then either. Barry Windham or Nikita Koloff would have been way better choices. But those were the start of the days when the NWA wanted to go head to head with the WWF and my guess is they had to pick someone to beat Flair who wouldn't use the title to build themselves up and jump ship. So they couldn't have someone too good win it and they knew Garvin could at least work some good matches with Flair. I still think the "Garvin Stomp" might have been one of lamest wrestling routines ever done.
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Thanks Salo :cheers
Orndorff was perfect for the arrogant "Mr. #1derful" character.
Thanks Salo :cheers
Orndorff was perfect for the arrogant "Mr. #1derful" character.
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Yeah, Windham and Flair had some of the best matches ever. They'd regularly have matches that would last 45 or 60 minutes. I just didn't get how by the late part of '87, they had Windham reduced to pushing the new Western States Championship having him hold that for 6+ months, and instead elevate Garvin into winning the world title for a while.
Yeah, Windham and Flair had some of the best matches ever. They'd regularly have matches that would last 45 or 60 minutes. I just didn't get how by the late part of '87, they had Windham reduced to pushing the new Western States Championship having him hold that for 6+ months, and instead elevate Garvin into winning the world title for a while.
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I could have "bought" Garvin as champion because he did have a good rivalry with Flair, was legit tough, and could have been promoted as "the blue collar guy" beating "the high society champion".
But, they did ZILCH with him for 45 days or more. Just horrible booking
Heck, have Flair's Horsemen buddies trying to "soften Garvin up" before Starrcade or something. That was about the time they were gonna turn Luger good, have him get in bad graces with the other members of the group for wanting his shot at the belt
Could have done a lot of things there to build up that Starrcade card
I could have "bought" Garvin as champion because he did have a good rivalry with Flair, was legit tough, and could have been promoted as "the blue collar guy" beating "the high society champion".
But, they did ZILCH with him for 45 days or more. Just horrible booking
Heck, have Flair's Horsemen buddies trying to "soften Garvin up" before Starrcade or something. That was about the time they were gonna turn Luger good, have him get in bad graces with the other members of the group for wanting his shot at the belt
Could have done a lot of things there to build up that Starrcade card
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Yeah they used a storyline that Garvin was taking 40 days off for extra "training" in anticipation of Starrcade. He still did a few TV apperances but overall, it was a tough main event to build interest in. It felt like the Rhodes-Luger US Title match on the undercard got way more buildup. That's the problem with having Rhodes doing all the booking - his matches and feuds come first. And everything else is just a screwjob finish.
Yeah they used a storyline that Garvin was taking 40 days off for extra "training" in anticipation of Starrcade. He still did a few TV apperances but overall, it was a tough main event to build interest in. It felt like the Rhodes-Luger US Title match on the undercard got way more buildup. That's the problem with having Rhodes doing all the booking - his matches and feuds come first. And everything else is just a screwjob finish.
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The beginning of the Freebirds/Von Erichs feud
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The beginning of the Freebirds/Von Erichs feud
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Ego74
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Re: CLASSIC WRESTLING THREAD (Greatest ever face/heel turns)
Here's the last 5 minutes or so from a classic Flair/Windham match. Better than anything on WWE today imo
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Here's the last 5 minutes or so from a classic Flair/Windham match. Better than anything on WWE today imo
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MadCapper
Head <in> Moderation
Re: CLASSIC WRESTLING THREAD (Greatest ever face/heel turns)
http://forums.eog.com/online-sports...on/who-is-biggest-heel-wwe-history-53630.html
http://forums.eog.com/online-sports...on/who-is-biggest-heel-wwe-history-53630.html