tar baby obvious racist term

DimeDR

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im curious how tar baby can be anything but racist, heres 3 examples of its cropping up in the media.... lookey here who uses it in the final example, the new idiot on the block--no wonder Notre Dame tar baby loves him 91023i2ndw;l

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Tar Baby - Is this letter that appeared in the Washington Post today a parody? You decide.

I am extremely upset about the use of the word "tar baby" in George F. Will's Sept. 19 op-ed column. In case your paper and Will have forgotten, this is an offensive, racist term for African Americans. For you to display this article so prominently reinforces to me that you couldn't care less about the sensitivities of your subscribers. Further, to apply this racist slur to the United Nations, an organization composed of multiple races and cultures, is doubly insulting. This shows a lack of respect for basic human dignity.


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]RAM?s May 20 press release detailed three separate incidents in which military and civilian managers invoked the Uncle Remus character, a silent, sticky Black female made of tar.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]May 20, 2002 News Release:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]?TAR-BABY? EPITHET FUELS RACIAL TENSIONS AT REDSTONE[/SIZE][/FONT]

Verbal outrage part of pattern of racism and corruption, minorities charge
"This is the rocket capital of the world, the home of Americas? weapons of the future,? said RAM Executive Director Matthew Fogg. ?But minority employees still have to struggle with obscene prejudices and insults that should have been left in the past after we defeated Jim Crow.? African Americans at Redstone ?are afraid of reprisals if they speak out against discrimination?, said Fogg, also a Chief deputy U.S. Marshal. ?The racial atmosphere is hostile.?
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Fogg said he is in possession of an April 16 2002 email, written by a US Army GS-14 manager, that openly describes an African American woman Information Assurance (IA) officer as a ?Tar-baby?. The target of the epithet holds a Ph.D. in Systems Engineering.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The scientist in question is Dr. Clara Denise West, a single mother of two who has earned four degrees, including the doctorate. ?It?s been hard and it?s embarrassing,? she told BC, ?because no matter what I do from here on in, I will always be labeled as the Tar Baby Lady.?[/SIZE][/FONT]

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Friday, March 16, 2007
McCain apologizes after using the phrase 'tar baby'
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McCain apologized Friday for using a phrase some deem racist.

CEDAR FALLS, Iowa CNN) -- Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, issued an apology for his use of the phrase "tar baby" in response to a question he received at his mid-day town hall meeting in Cedar Falls, Iowa on Friday.

A questioner asked McCain whether as president he "would be bold enough to address the issue of equal access to children for fathers that have gone through divorce."

The Republican presidential candidate responded, "I'm sorry to disappoint you, I am not going to overturn divorce court decisions. That's why we have courts and that's why people go to court and get a divorce. If I as President of the United States said this decision has to be overturned without the proper appeals process then I would be disturbing our entire system of government... But for me to stand here before all these people and say that I'm going declare divorces invalid because someone feels that they weren't treated fairly in court, we are getting into a, uh, uh, tar baby of enormous proportions. For me to stand here before all these people and say that I'm going declare divorces invalid because someone feels that they weren't treated fairly in court, we are getting into a, uh, uh, tar baby of enormous proportions."

Later at a press conference, CNN's Senior Political Correspondent Candy Crowley asked McCain about his use of the phrase "tar baby," viewed by some as having racist overtones.

"I hope that it's not viewed that way," McCain said. "It was a situation where if I kept going on that I would then be overturning court decisions. I don't think I should have used that word and it was wrong to do so." (Watch Video: McCain uses phrase "tar baby," later apologizes)
 
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Sure enough -- There it is !!!! The daily charge of being a racist !!!

Right on schedule !! Keep up the great work libs. Here is a race card for you DimeDR.


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DimeDR

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so nic can you comment on the post, or just take umbrage bc you know term is racist? would you use those words when addressing an african-american? yes or no?
 

DimeDR

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even the idiot mccain knows its wrong, but college boys dont... i guess nic is solid with the term... the ND kid must have a lot of black pals like he claims... LMAO... hates obama and uses TB as a SN, but he hangs with blacks, right :)
 
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oh im not surprised

I love the Uncle Remus stories and Walt Disney....Br'er Rabbit...who doesn't love him!



 

DimeDR

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thought you had me and anti on ignore ... do you toss that term out to your black pals, LMAO
 
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oh im not surprised

I love the Uncle Remus stories and Walt Disney....Br'er Rabbit...who doesn't love him!




Both examples you have posted in your defense are very old, predating most civil rights and hate laws, if you could find either one in DVD or a new publish I would like to see them.

You did make a nice effort to cover yourself though.
 

DimeDR

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unreal he popped those out, next SN is 1920's aunt jemima and its icon... this kid is unreal, reminds me of scottusc at MJs, used to tell 'N' jokes to white pals on campus and think they werent racist, then id ask him if hed tell the same joke in front of usc football team that he jerked off to and he said of course not
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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LOL !!!

He is probably IMing right now:

"BatemanPatrick .... I miss you ... its so lonely right now !!"
 
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Both examples you have posted in your defense are very old, predating most civil rights and hate laws, if you could find either one in DVD or a new publish I would like to see them.

You did make a nice effort to cover yourself though.

the iliad is old too....does that mean you can't like it?

i've liked the uncle remus stories since I was a kid and have always liked br'er rabbit, br'er fox and br'er bear and of course the tar baby that entangled the angry br'er rabbit

nice try fellas...good effort...I am honored that a thread was devoted entirely to me though :thumbsup
 

DimeDR

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yeah nice bluff, you oblvious child, again, ask the phony if he tosses this term out to his "black buddies"
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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The only "remus" story that Tarbaby is familiar with is:

"Now Bulldog Gannon stopped by Friday nite kiddies at Tarbabys pad
for a weekend of taking "care of them hemmoroid problems" the ol
Republican way !!"
 

DimeDR

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from TIME mag, theyd at least say the ND KID is insensitive or just ignorant ... who in their right minds would use this term around their black pals ... i certainly would not--course ive worked alongside minorities for 35 years so maybe im a lil more in tune than ND KID

So, is use of the term today a case of insensitivity? Or is the controversy caused by political correctness gone amok? The dictionary writers point out that a word's origins and its popular perception can be divergent. Current examples include the detoxification of the words suck and slut, both of which have slipped into mainstream usage. "All words have life cycles," says Erin McKean, editor-in-chief of the Oxford American Dictionary "What's really important is not etymologically what it means, but the effect it has." And that is a constantly evolving standard. Witness the debate over who can and can't use the N-word. McKean says that the next print version of the Oxford American Dictionary will note that tar baby can have derogatory connotations. Which may help public figures avoid becoming ensnared by Br'er Fox more than a century after he set his little trap.
 
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As if. . . .The "Rush Limbaugh" user title is a dead giveaway. . . .Those types of persons have a burr under their saddle for "those people" and can't seem to see past skin color to get to the "content of character." However, they are very rarely honest about their true feelings and will twist like a pretzel by relying on code words and euphemisms to mask the raw bigotry. . . .
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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4625:

ya mean like the following?

As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back." A decade ago, after becoming nationally syndicated, he mused on the air: "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out."

In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a ninety-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

When Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL) was in the U.S. Senate, the first black woman ever elected to that body, Limbaugh would play the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's "Jeffersons" when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect -- substituting "ax" for "ask"-- when discussing black leaders.

Such quotes and antics -- many compiled by Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) for our 1995 book -- offer a whiff of Limbaugh's racial sensibility. So does his claim that racism in America "is fueled primarily by the rantings and ravings" of people like Jesse Jackson. Or his ugly reference two years ago to the father of Madonna's first child, a Latino, as "a gang-member type guy" -- an individual with no gang background.

In 1994, Limbaugh mocked St. Louis for building a rail line to East St. Louis "where nobody goes." East St. Louis is home to roughly 40,000 residents -- 98 percent of whom are African-Americans. One of its 40,000 "nobodies" is star NFL linebacker Bryan Cox.

Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: "They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?" That's not an unusual response for a talk radio host playing to an audience of "angry white males." It may not play so well among National Football League players, 70 percent of whom are African American.
 

ArchieBunker

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And Doc's a Nazi supporter. He's got the biggest collection of Nazi pictures on the internet. Who cares?
 

HotShotHarvey

EOG Veteran
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tar-turd....I.ve been out helping some GOP RNC members get out of that briar patch ALL day(working across the Aisle,you know-just like McNUTS on that coprehensive immigration bill bearing his name that he refused to vote for!!) and came back to this shitstorm you created for yourself! Having Nick,the Greek towel boy defend you is like having Ahmed Chalibi defend us going into Iraq!!!
 
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As if. . . .The "Rush Limbaugh" user title is a dead giveaway. . . .Those types of persons have a burr under their saddle for "those people" and can't seem to see past skin color to get to the "content of character." However, they are very rarely honest about their true feelings and will twist like a pretzel by relying on code words and euphemisms to mask the raw bigotry. . . .

as one who supports Bush and his cabinet, which includes the most minorities of ANY cabinet I hardly think that is racist

once again....nice try
 

DimeDR

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lets see, SN is tar baby, hates obama, invents black friends ... the bush black cabinet, liars like condi and colin powell who was a pawn to lie about wmd then vanished in disgrace ... what again is your point, what a flunky
 
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as one who supports Bush and his cabinet, which includes the most minorities of ANY cabinet I hardly think that is racist

once again....nice try

Why not be honest; this is a free country where you are free to dislike any racial or ethnic group that you want to. If you don't feel free to express your racial or ethnic hostility, then maybe you should re-examine those prejudices; because, I promise you, this country isn't going back to the "good old days" where "darky knew his place" which is what the Limbaugh/David Duke types of people you support yearn for. I am very familiar with people like you who are devoured by thoughts of how "those people" are bringing down/destroying/ruining etc. America. I have a news flash for you: "those people" aren't going away; why not try to make the situation better rather than fan the flames of hatred? I know you won't think about this, or think that you have seen the "truth", so I am comforted by the thought that people who think like you (and Nic) will eventually die off and take your backward ass prejudices with you to hell. . . .
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Tarbaby: to quote him ...

Bush and his cabinet, which includes the most minorities of ANY cabinet


In Clinton's first term, 47% of those he appointed to the Cabinet were women or people of color. Bush had precisely the same percentage in his first term. By the end of Clinton's second term, his figure had risen to 52%. The seven nominations Bush has made in the past month raise his percentage to 50%
USATODAY.com - Bush is opening doors with a diverse Cabinet
 
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Why not be honest; this is a free country where you are free to dislike any racial or ethnic group that you want to. If you don't feel free to express your racial or ethnic hostility, then maybe you should re-examine those prejudices; because, I promise you, this country isn't going back to the "good old days" where "darky knew his place" which is what the Limbaugh/David Duke types of people you support yearn for. I am very familiar with people like you who are devoured by thoughts of how "those people" are bringing down/destroying/ruining etc. America. I have a news flash for you: "those people" aren't going away; why not try to make the situation better rather than fan the flames of hatred? I know you won't think about this, or think that you have seen the "truth", so I am comforted by the thought that people who think like you (and Nic) will eventually die off and take your backward ass prejudices with you to hell. . . .

well that was quite a fluff piece...I'm not surprised that you have resorted to claiming racism...you really don't have a clue

someone who supports this president and his cabinet which has the most minorities ever of any cabinet is racist?...you can't be that ignorant

you liberals always like to point the finger and call Republicans racist becase deep down you know that if blacks realize they don't need you guys then you are screwed

you democrats attack successful African Americans like Condi Rice because she (and others like her) shakes the foundation of what you have been trying to do all along. The liberals rely on the minorities for votes so it is in their best interests to keep them from succeeding and making it seem like they NEED the government to help them out (affirmative action, welfare, etc...) When a minority is successful you fear that other minorities will see this and realize that they can succeed without your help and all of your claims about racism aren't true. You talk about helping the blacks but what you are really doing is making some minorities dependent on the gov't so they can't work their way up

what have the democrats done for African Americans lately?

" What if African-Americans notice that Democrats (the party of the slave owners, the Klan, Jim Crow and Bull Connor) talk about helping them but hold them down? And at the same time, the Republicans (party of the Great Emancipator, Abraham Lincoln, who freed their ancestors from Democrat slave owners) have advanced blacks to the highest echelon of actual power in the Bush administration."

[FONT=arial,helvetica] Why the Left Fears Condoleezza Rice[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica]Thursday, Jan. 15, 2004[/FONT]​
Condoleezza Rice is a "true illiterate," said a patronizing Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
This Marxist thug added that he had asked his comrade Cuban dictator Fidel Castro to mail America?s National Security Advisor samples of Cuban books now being used to teach Venezuelan children literacy to ?see if she learns to respect the dignity of the people and learns a bit about us."
Apparently President Chavez is both a racist and a puny macho sexist to make such stupid remarks. His stunted manhood is threatened by criticism from this powerful woman.
Condoleezza Rice, who recently called on Chavez to accept the democratic vote of Venezuelans in a legitimate election to recall him, is, as many have noted, "the most powerful woman in the world."
Dr. Rice understands collectivist terrorist murderers like Chavez better than do most Americans, and not only because she is a highly regarded expert on the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.
Most of us awakened to the threat of terrorism only on September 11, 2001. Rice as a 9-year-old African-American girl in Birmingham, Alabama, in September 1963 felt the ground shake from a racist?s dynamite bomb going off in the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church only blocks away from the church where her father, John, was pastor.
Among the four black girls murdered in that hate crime that shocked our nation?s conscience was Rice?s 11-year-old friend and schoolmate Denise McNair. She remembers their funeral and how small their coffins were.
?If you?ve been through homegrown terrorism,? said Dr. Rice, ?you recognize there isn?t any cause that can be served by it. ... Because what it?s meant to do is end the conversation.?
Racism is a collectivist idea that denies human dignity by defining individuals as members of mythical collective racial groups. Socialism and Marxism are collectivist ideas that deny human dignity by judging individuals only as members of mythical class groups and by declaring all human beings to be slaves whose lives and labors belong to the collectivist state, as in Castro?s Cuba and increasingly in Chavez?s Venezuela. The indoctrination of this dehumanizing idea, as we shall see, is what Chavez means by Marxist education.
But first, let?s look more closely at the ?illiterate? Dr. Condoleezza Rice. Leftists such as Hugo Chavez have tried to silence or discredit this ?uppity? powerful black woman with insults. The Leftist media inside the U.S. have tried either to ignore her or to diminish her with the most vicious, loathsome and toxic kinds of racist satire, mockery, denigration, insults and ridicule.
Jamaican singer-limboist Harry Belafonte, an outspoken supporter of Fidel Castro and the Democratic Party, called Rice a ?Jew? and a ?slave who lived in the house? and ?served the master.?
Leftists engage in such verbal terrorism against Bush administration National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin Powell out of fear, wrote distinguished African-American journalist and liberal Clarence Page.
The Democratic Party depends on blacks for 18 percent of its votes. Its survival depends on keeping those voters as a solid, owned bloc of slaves, chained by dependency and fear, down on the plantation of the Democratic Party.
A powerful, successful Republican role model such as Condoleezza Rice could show young blacks an alternative to dependency on Democrats.
What if African-Americans notice that Democrats (the party of the slave owners, the Klan, Jim Crow and Bull Connor) talk about helping them but hold them down? And at the same time, the Republicans (party of the Great Emancipator, Abraham Lincoln, who freed their ancestors from Democrat slave owners) have advanced blacks to the highest echelon of actual power in the Bush administration.
To prevent African-Americans from opening their hypnotized eyes to this self-evident truth and reconsidering why they vote for a party that chains and exploits them, Dr. Rice has been targeted for every kind of insult and attack possible. She must be politically assassinated.
This is why Leftists have been using character assassination against Dr. Rice to ?end the conversation? about how little the Democratic Party has done for blacks ... and about how much the Republican Party is now doing.
(And the same Marxist tactics are being used against Latino Republican candidates, one of whom days ago was smeared by a desperate, racist Democratic National Committee official and Howard Dean operative as a ?house Mexican for the Republicans.? This is yet more evidence of Dean?s implicit racism.)
So, who is Condoleezza Rice, this bright black woman whose mere presence strikes terror into the hearts of Leftists?
Condi, as friends call her, was born November 14, 1954, in what his 1963 Letter from a Birmingham Jail Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would call ?probably the most thoroughly segregated city in the United States.? During the Civil Rights struggle it came also to be called ?Bombingham,? with racist explosives killing not only Rice?s friend and three other girls but also shattering the home of black civil rights lawyer Arthur Shores and terrifying the African-American community.
?Rice?s father went to police headquarters to demand an investigation,? wrote Dale Russakoff in the Washington Post Magazine. ?They didn?t investigate,? Condoleezza Rice has said. ?They never investigated.?
The police commissioner in Birmingham who would not investigate was Bull Connor, a Democrat who perfectly embodies everything that political party has always stood for. When civil rights protesters arrived, Connor unleashed his dogs and fire hoses on them.
?John Rice,? writes Russakoff, ?then did what black fathers all over Birmingham were doing ? what Alma Powell remembers her own father doing then, when she happened to be home with her babies during her husband?s [Colin Powell?s] tour in Vietnam: They got out their shotguns and formed nightly patrols, guarding the streets themselves.?
One of the many dirty secrets of the Democratic Party is that its passion for gun control began, and continues to be, from a desire to disarm African-Americans and thereby make them powerless and dependent. Russian expert Michael McFaul, writes Russakoff, ?remembers [Condoleezza] Rice telling him she opposed gun control and even gun registration because Bull Connor could have used it to disarm her father and others? in 1963.
Condi Rice remembers many lessons of how her mother and father stood up to segregationists, refusing again and again to accept the inferior place into which the white Democratic bosses of Birmingham tried to push blacks. She remembers learning from her grandfather that ?You have control, you?re proud, you have integrity, nobody can take those things away from you.?
Her grandfather?s aunts were among the first nursing graduates of Tuskegee Institute, founded by Booker T. Washington. By hard work he would put his children through college, and they would marry into other African-American families with passionate faith in the power of education.
?My family is third-generation college-educated,? says Dr. Condoleezza Rice, winner of the NAACP Image Award. ?I should?ve gotten to where I am.?
Both her father, the Rev. John W. Rice Jr., then pastor of Westminster Presbyterian Church and dean of historically black Stillman College, and mother Angelena, a science and music teacher at a local black high school, were committed to providing the best education possible for their daughter. Her name, Condoleezza, comes from the Italian musical notation ?con dulce? or ?con dolcezza,? meaning to play ?with sweetness.?
Condi began piano lessons at age 3 and by age 4 was accompanying the choir at her father?s church. She learned to read music before she, by age 5, could fluently read English. When the local superintendent of Negro schools decided that Condi was too young to attend first grade, Angelena took a year off from work to teach her daughter at home. Condi was soon mastering figure skating, French, ballet, Latin and a host of other advanced skills.
Playing Bach and Beethoven even before her feet could reach the piano?s pedals, Condoleezza pursued becoming a concert pianist. At age 13 her family moved to Colorado, where her father became a University of Denver assistant dean. She enrolled there at age 15, graduating Phi Beta Kappa, magna cum laude, at age 19 when most other youngsters are just beginning college.
But by then she recognized that she lacked the skill to become one of a handful of pianists able to reach the top of that profession and would probably end up ?teaching 13-year-olds to murder Beethoven for a living.?
One day she found herself in a classroom fascinated by Josef Korbel, former Marxist Czech diplomat, as he expounded on the Byzantine nature of Soviet politics and Stalin. ?There was so much intrigue,? Rice says. ?I decided I wanted to study the Soviet Union.?
?It was like falling in love,? she told Essence Magazine. ?I just suddenly knew that?s what I wanted to do. ... Soviet politics, Soviet everything.?
Korbel, who became Rice?s mentor and career booster, is the father of Clinton administration Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.
Condoleezza went on to earn a master's degree in international relations at Notre Dame, then a Ph.D. at the University of Denver. The year she completed her doctorate, 1981, she was offered a teaching job at Stanford University. She is author or co-author of several scholarly books, including "Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army: 1948-1983," "The Gorbachev Era" and "Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft."
Her expertise on the Soviet Union soon earned Rice an advisory position with the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1986 and, with the recommendation of Brent Scowcroft, a place on President George H.W. Bush?s National Security Council in 1989.
She returned to Stanford in 1991, becoming provost of that great university in 1993, with oversight of its $1.5 billion budget. She has also served on the boards of Notre Dame University, the San Francisco Symphony, the Carnegie Endowment for World Peace, San Francisco PBS affiliate KQED, and other institutions. She co-founded the Center for a New Generation to help educate gifted minority students, as she was and is.
When they first talked, she and George W. Bush, both big sports fans and devout Christians, hit it off immediately. ?America will find that she is a wise person,? the president-elect said when announcing her as his pick to become National Security Advisor in December 2000. ?I trust her judgment.?
Rice is part of a tiny Bush inner circle of brilliant advisers ? including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State George Schultz and Pentagon analyst Paul Wolfowitz ? nicknamed for their superior intellects as ?The Vulcans,? in the spirit of Mr. Spock and other Vulcans in ?Star Trek.?
Now, at age 49, Condi Rice has already become what Business Week magazine called probably the most influential National Security Advisor since Henry Kissinger in the 1970s. When she, as one of two top foreign policy advisers to the president of the United States, criticizes or challenges Hugo Chavez, it is no wonder that this nasty little Marxist tyrant shakes with fear and rage.
Chavez knows perfectly well that Dr. Rice is not illiterate. In fact, she is an expert on Marxism, the Soviet Union and the kind of tactics Chavez and his ally Fidel Castro are now using to subvert Venezuela as well as several other Latin American nations. Her expertise is helping shape the hard line that President Bush has taken against Fidel Castro at this week?s summit of Western Hemispheric democracies in Monterrey, Mexico.
The difference between the Marxist indoctrination of Chavez and Castro and the kind of education that lifted Condoleezza Rice and her family is clear. An enlightenment Western education of the kind that informed America?s Founders is one that respects and empowers individuals.
One of the only three things Thomas Jefferson wanted inscribed on his tombstone and wished to be remembered for was the founding of the University of Virginia ? and what it represented: universal education to empower every American with the basic tools of literacy.
Jefferson wanted all to be educated, not to teach conformity but so that every citizen could read the revolutionary pamphlets of future Tom Paines. Jefferson understood that revolution is a never-ending process, that each new generation must rise up and rein in the tendency of government to take more and more power from the people.
?If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization,? wrote Jefferson, ?it expects what never was and never will be.?
Dr. Condoleezza Rice is a living symbol of the liberating power of education, determination and self-respect.
Hugo Chavez is also to some degree educated. He reportedly in 1975 earned master's degrees in military sciences and engineering from the Venezuelan Academy of Military Sciences. He also studied for a master's degree in political sciences at the Simon Bolivar University in Caracas but reportedly never graduated.
Like so many on the political Left, Chavez has the education of a technocrat and the soul of a machine. His is a mind without beauty, without love, without any depth of human compassion or comprehension, without respect for the unique talent of each individual. No wonder one wife divorced him and a second left. No wonder he has imported more than 10,000 Cuban operatives and tons of Cuban textbooks to indoctrinate the children of Venezuela with Marxist racist-like ideas of class hatred and class war.
To understand the Left, here and in Cuba, ponder the documentary ?90 Miles? by Juan Carlos Zaldivar, aired on the PBS show ?POV? on July 29, 2003.
?In 1980, I was a thirteen-year-old communist living in Cuba,? Zaldivar?s personal story begins. ?The Revolution was the biggest thing in my life. Bigger than religion, or anything else.?
This documentary follows his reluctant move with his family to the United States via the Mariel boatlift and his comparison of Cuba and the U.S.
As you would expect from the Public Broadcasters of Socialism, this documentary is not entirely positive toward America. It shows Juan?s father ?bitter,? disappointed with his inability to become rich in the U.S. and ?defeated by the American dream for which he sacrificed everything in 1980.? It takes viewers back to Cuba and depicts people there as relatively happy.
And Zaldivar identifies himself as part of a politically correct minority, gays ? while never mentioning Fidel Castro?s monstrous history of imprisoning, torturing and killing people simply because they are homosexuals.
But in this documentary we find that in Communist Cuba ?instead of going to school, my class would join demonstrations that publicly humiliated the people who were deserting [leaving]. They were called ?acts of hate.? We?d build bond fires [sic]. ... And we?d make dummies out of uniforms that people left behind. We would stuff them with their pillows and then we would burn them. ... One afternoon, I saw a mob of my school friends chasing a student and her mother. The mother was caught sneaking her daughter out of school to take her out of the country.?
In addition to such lynch-mob ?acts of hate,? Zaldivar says: In Cuba we had to wear uniforms to school. In Miami, we could wear whatever we wanted. I didn?t like that. It created this atmosphere that there was nobody to answer to. ...?
?I remembered how safe one feels in a crowd,? he says of the Orwellian groupthink in Cuba.
?During the first two years [in Miami], I was very outspoken,? says Zaldivar. ?I was still spouting out communist slogans.?
His father explains to him how Fidel and the Marxists too control over who got what in Cuba. ?You had to apply and they gave you a house,? the father says. ?When they came to check me out, they saw pictures of saints on the walls. So they never gave me a house.?
His father had supported Castro?s revolution, and continued to be a block leader for it prior to deciding to leave for the United States. He was a man insufficiently loyal to either system, viewers are left to conclude, and fell between the two stools.
This columnist has also seen Castro?s educational system firsthand, albeit briefly. As a journalist in Cuba to do a piece for the Los Angeles Times, I visited a Potemkin Village school shown off to foreign visitors. Oddly, the pride of this school was its adjoining factory, into which young students were marched to work half of each day, burning their hands with acid as they manufactured batteries.
If such a thing happened in the U.S., it would be denounced as brutal exploitation of child labor. Visiting Leftists to Fidel?s factory-school, of course, make no such criticisms of Cuba whatsoever.
And, needless to say, we were not shown how those who fail to conform and succeed as Communists in Cuba?s schools are required to live out their short lives in the hot sun cutting sugarcane for 10 Cuban pesos a month ? much the way slaves lived in Cuba centuries ago.
This school had a black principal ? the only instance in Cuba where I saw a black person in a position of power. As Cuban-American author Humberto Fontova (whose current best-seller is "The Hellpig Hunt") explained to me, Leftist Hollywood movies about Cuba typically depict Castro?s revolutionaries overthrowing a blond, blue-eyed dictator Fulgencio Batista y Zaldivar. Batista, however, in real life was a dark-skinned mulatto of black ancestry from a poor farming family.
It is Castro who embodies the white Spaniard colonial ruling class and whose father was a crime boss in Cuba ... just as Fidel is a crime boss today. And under Batista, Cuba had the third-highest standard of living in the Western Hemisphere, while today this Marxist prison colony is near or at the bottom. This, notes Fontova, is typical of the lies America?s Leftist media use to brainwash Americans.
This is also typical of the lies in Cuban textbooks now being used by Hugo Chavez to enslave the children of Venezuela ? and of the Left-slanted faculties that former Marxist intellectual David Horowitz has been fighting to diversify at the University of Denver and other institutions of higher learning.
Call it Red-ucation in the enslaving spirit of Karl Marx, not education in the empowering spirit of Thomas Jefferson and Condoleezza Rice.
Here?s one lesson to remember: A major 1986 textbook dealing with Marxist education lists 15 significant nations that were then Communist. Today, 18 years later, more than half of those nations are no longer Communist. Guess who is winning the global battle for hearts and minds.
A second lesson: As Condoleezza Rice so admirably teaches by example, we must never permit the collectivist thugs, here or abroad, to stifle or end the conversation.
Mr. Ponte hosts a national radio talk show Saturdays 6-9 p.m. Eastern Time (3-6 p.m. Pacific Time) and Sundays 9 p.m.-midnight Eastern Time (6-9 p.m. Pacific Time) on the Liberty Broadcasting network (formerly TalkAmerica). Internet Audio worldwide is at LibertyBroadcasting.com. The show?s live call-in number is (888) 822-8255. A professional speaker, he is a former Roving Editor for Reader?s Digest.
 
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

I've posted my political affiliations here on more than one occasion. "You can't be that ignorant."
 
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

I've posted my political affiliations here on more than one occasion. "You can't be that ignorant."

Don't "misunderestimate" him, 4625. Blindly lumping people into groups is one of the most virulent symptoms of ignorance.

"It seems you oppose group A, so that means you MUST be a member of group B."
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

you democrats attack successful African Americans like Condi Rice because she (and others like her) shakes the foundation of what you have been trying to do all along

TELL THAT BULLSHIT TO THE FAMILIES OF THE 4000 plus dead American soldiers whose lives were terminated via the LIES OF RICE .... SHE FUCKIN LIED ABOUT 9-11 ... SHE DAMN WELL LIED ABOUT IRAQ
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

Powell writes for who?

NEWSMAX!!! .... noooo .... nothing bias about the Rice article !!!


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

good thoughts 4625, ND BOY, is so obviosuly racist he doesnt even know it, which is a big flashing neon sign IDing many racists .... to drag out condi rice as being anything any race would be proud of is laughable, like anti said she lies about everything, she was crying on her kean commission interview, i have seen her on tape caught bluffing and lying like a 4 y-o snitching an extra cookie...

i will keep bumping this thread, this kid goes to college and thinks he can hold his own here and is an absolute moron... he prob comes from rich racist parents who never once had a minority step inside their home and he prob went to a catholic hs with no blacks or less than 5% minorities... i have seen his ilk many times... he lied like his neocon heroes and told me he had plenty of black friends, now who on this board believes that?

and another conflicting fact is this kid is say 21, i have coached for 30+ years and kids his age dont know who uncle remus is, its not a PC book people his age would read unless his racist folks read it to him in the 90s ... i think anyone over 40 would agree with me on this POV... this is one fucked up kid

shill on ND BOY

i cant even bring myself to type his SN, bc to me its offensive and im white


ps he is such a tough guy who would gladly kill for his country that once he met his match with anti and i he blocks us :)
 

DimeDR

Banned
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

sorry ND BOY we gotta keep this page one for a while so all can judge your sorry ass :)
 

stifflers mom

EOG Enthusiast
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

As a person a "color" myself I think accusing the poster name "tar baby" as a racist solely based upon his poster name is not right.
That’s just my take on it
If he has expressed his feelings otherwise towards minorities go ahead.
I'm not going to make that call as I haven't read all his stuff and therefore I'm not in a position to judge
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

As a rich white republican I can honestly say that nothing repulses me more than overt racism. I seriously doubt that tar's handle has anything to do with it since he seems like such a nice well centered young man.
 
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

As a person a "color" myself I think accusing the poster name "tar baby" as a racist solely based upon his poster name is not right.
That?s just my take on it
If he has expressed his feelings otherwise towards minorities go ahead.
I'm not going to make that call as I haven't read all his stuff and therefore I'm not in a position to judge

exactly..i dont know how many times i gotta say it but the name comes from Song of the South and I loved Br'er Rabbit, Br'er Bear and Br'er Fox as a kid...we had the movie and even had a few of the figurines

it was one of my favorites...that and pirates of penzance....gooood stuff
 
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

As a rich white republican I can honestly say that nothing repulses me more than overt racism. I seriously doubt that tar's handle has anything to do with it since he seems like such a nice well centered young man.

exactly :thumbsup
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
Re: tar baby obvious racist term

Getting the "stamp of approval" from Merlin will take Tarbaby a long way
in life !!
 
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