Have seen some vastly different opinions on this subject. I am skeptical, but could be convinced with the right argument. A great example would be Matt Palmer today.
Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
- Thread starter Anton Chigurh
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Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
I'm not a big baseball person, but to me it seems that Minor League stats may be deceivingly high due to the fact that the hitters in the minors probably not as powerful as those in the majors. But what the hell do I know?
I'm not a big baseball person, but to me it seems that Minor League stats may be deceivingly high due to the fact that the hitters in the minors probably not as powerful as those in the majors. But what the hell do I know?
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
You know how to agitate a lot of posters. Me not being one of them. Without a doubt the quality of batters faced is way below a major league lineup, except for the A's.
You know how to agitate a lot of posters. Me not being one of them. Without a doubt the quality of batters faced is way below a major league lineup, except for the A's.
ShavenCoinpurse
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Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
Swede- If you are going to respond to a sports thread, at least have your boobs in your avatar please... thanks...
Swede- If you are going to respond to a sports thread, at least have your boobs in your avatar please... thanks...
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
Which are, which are not?
Which are, which are not?
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
9 times out of 10, I don't mean to agitate. I take a lot of crap on mostly male boards. Some days I roll with the punches, some days I punch back. oij213490
9 times out of 10, I don't mean to agitate. I take a lot of crap on mostly male boards. Some days I roll with the punches, some days I punch back. oij213490
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
You mean that the place my boobs will be every Sunday doesn't count?:+clueless
You mean that the place my boobs will be every Sunday doesn't count?:+clueless
ShavenCoinpurse
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No, that does not count.
No, that does not count.
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
To me semi useful is like semi pregnant, they either are useful or they are not. Again, different parks, different caliber hitters, which means holes galore for pitchers. I think the biggest jump there is, is from AAA to Majors. Even the parks and crowds are vastly different. Some guys bounce along their entire careers in AA and AAA, get called up to bigs and implode. Much like Palmer did.
To me semi useful is like semi pregnant, they either are useful or they are not. Again, different parks, different caliber hitters, which means holes galore for pitchers. I think the biggest jump there is, is from AAA to Majors. Even the parks and crowds are vastly different. Some guys bounce along their entire careers in AA and AAA, get called up to bigs and implode. Much like Palmer did.
mofome
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Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
a lot of teams keep their better prospects in aa for some reason, im not exactly sure why, but it seems to be a trend. in the majors the parks are different, the mounds are different, the umps are different, and the bats are much better of course. that said, you can get a good read on how good a kids arm is when you look at things like k/9 and ha/9. you can also look and see which kids have had trouble with control and that can help you cap a game with a kid who is just coming up.
a lot of teams keep their better prospects in aa for some reason, im not exactly sure why, but it seems to be a trend. in the majors the parks are different, the mounds are different, the umps are different, and the bats are much better of course. that said, you can get a good read on how good a kids arm is when you look at things like k/9 and ha/9. you can also look and see which kids have had trouble with control and that can help you cap a game with a kid who is just coming up.
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
I still am sitting on the fence here. That gap from AAA to the bigs is just too vast. Especially with pitching stats. You have a lot of guys batting sub .200 that get up to the bigs and bat sub .100. I could strike them out. They might not be able to hit off a T. Plus the mental aspects. Pitching in front of 2,000 is way different from pitching in front of 50,000. And the pressure of fucking up and being sent back down. Really looking forward to Palmer's 2nd start. That should tell a lot.
I still am sitting on the fence here. That gap from AAA to the bigs is just too vast. Especially with pitching stats. You have a lot of guys batting sub .200 that get up to the bigs and bat sub .100. I could strike them out. They might not be able to hit off a T. Plus the mental aspects. Pitching in front of 2,000 is way different from pitching in front of 50,000. And the pressure of fucking up and being sent back down. Really looking forward to Palmer's 2nd start. That should tell a lot.
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
I would have to say they are. Thats the reason I bet SF +1.5 for 200/250 figured he would have a better outing this time. Now I just hope the bullpen can keep it going.
I would have to say they are. Thats the reason I bet SF +1.5 for 200/250 figured he would have a better outing this time. Now I just hope the bullpen can keep it going.
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
Well you may win Ruca, but those stats have a lot less to do with it then the Giants playing better than the Marlins right now. Palmer had been in the farms 6 years now for a reason. He was leading the PCL averaging a K an inning also. His bb/K ratio was also strong. Now it has shown his Major stats, 7.1 innings, 2K 7bb. Nothing even close to his minor league stats. Congrats on your bet, but those minor league stats have nothing to do with it.
Well you may win Ruca, but those stats have a lot less to do with it then the Giants playing better than the Marlins right now. Palmer had been in the farms 6 years now for a reason. He was leading the PCL averaging a K an inning also. His bb/K ratio was also strong. Now it has shown his Major stats, 7.1 innings, 2K 7bb. Nothing even close to his minor league stats. Congrats on your bet, but those minor league stats have nothing to do with it.
Almost Allright
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Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
there used to be a poster here who put a lot of faith and emotion into the viability of minor league stats. i forget his name.
there used to be a poster here who put a lot of faith and emotion into the viability of minor league stats. i forget his name.
Rookie Project
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Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
Frog, I mean Anton, you really should try to read a Bill James book or two. You might learn something.
Frog, I mean Anton, you really should try to read a Bill James book or two. You might learn something.
goodcall
EOG Senior Member
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
definitely take a look at some of Bill James' stuff...here's his wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James
an excerpt from an interview:
http://www.slate.com/id/2084193/
Moneyball Redux
Slate talks to the man who revolutionized baseball.
By James Surowiecki
Posted Tuesday, June 10, 2003
definitely take a look at some of Bill James' stuff...here's his wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James
an excerpt from an interview:
http://www.slate.com/id/2084193/
Moneyball Redux
Slate talks to the man who revolutionized baseball.
By James Surowiecki
Posted Tuesday, June 10, 2003
royalfan
EOG Dedicated
Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
You are skeptical now? You just used them the other day when evaluating the home and away splits of the Oakland lefty in the minors, thinking you knew that would translate to the bigs. Now skeptical. What changed your mind Frog?
You are skeptical now? You just used them the other day when evaluating the home and away splits of the Oakland lefty in the minors, thinking you knew that would translate to the bigs. Now skeptical. What changed your mind Frog?
TonyMar
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Re: Are pitchers minor league stats usable for capping in the majors?
they are worthless, a crap shoot to try and project them at the mlb level.
look at sea's ryan feierbend. his minor league numbers look 'bipolar' in his mlb starts.
this kid was dealing in the minors with a 7-1 record & 2.04 era in 13 starts at tacoma
and yet once again he could not go more than 3 innings in the bigs, as he was crushed last sunday by the twins.
his last three mlb starts have lasted 3 innings or less.
luckily he gets to face another rag-arm in gio gonzalez tonight, i played the over 9 in that baby.
but to apply fire-can-feieibend's minor league statistics to a projected start for the m's would be asinine. he has provided all of the proof that his stuff is not good enough 'yet' at the mlb level.
they are worthless, a crap shoot to try and project them at the mlb level.
look at sea's ryan feierbend. his minor league numbers look 'bipolar' in his mlb starts.
this kid was dealing in the minors with a 7-1 record & 2.04 era in 13 starts at tacoma
and yet once again he could not go more than 3 innings in the bigs, as he was crushed last sunday by the twins.
his last three mlb starts have lasted 3 innings or less.
luckily he gets to face another rag-arm in gio gonzalez tonight, i played the over 9 in that baby.
but to apply fire-can-feieibend's minor league statistics to a projected start for the m's would be asinine. he has provided all of the proof that his stuff is not good enough 'yet' at the mlb level.