Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Trip78

EOG Member
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

The problem is that the feds could not allow poker sites to be affiliated with sportsbooks. Of course the feds will open undercover accounts like they do now and will know which poker sites also offer sports gambling. They could make life very hard for these companies, shutting down processors left and right just like they are doing now. I guess that is the problem that we are facing as sports bettors.

While the strickly poker sites will be able to transfer money any way they want, same day delivery to your bank account. That is if this legislation is passed.
 
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

The problem is that the feds could not allow poker sites to be affiliated with sportsbooks. Of course the feds will open undercover accounts like they do now and will know which poker sites also offer sports gambling. They could make life very hard for these companies, shutting down processors left and right just like they are doing now. I guess that is the problem that we are facing as sports bettors.

While the strickly poker sites will be able to transfer money any way they want, same day delivery to your bank account. That is if this legislation is passed.
Correct you are, but if the poker site is in Antigua, Panama, etc how is
Uncle Sam going to stop the Poker Site from doing a transfer to say
Bet Jam for a customer?
 

AK

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Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

This entire ordeal is just a tip of the iceburg.

Before they pass any sort of law allowing online poker for americans they need to do some severe research. Skill or not, its not skill when a major poker company "absolute poker" has ways to cheat and view the players cards. The online poker network needs to be regulated by gaming officials and legit companies like harrah's, venetian, etc

Anyone want to make a side bet all poker sites have this ability to have "master accounts" ?
 

Trip78

EOG Member
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Correct you are, but if the poker site is in Antigua, Panama, etc how is
Uncle Sam going to stop the Poker Site from doing a transfer to say
Bet Jam for a customer?

The feds will get an undercover gambler to open an account at all poker sites to make sure they don't deal with/transfer money to any sportsbook. If they are able to transfer money from the poker site to a sportsbook, they will start the processor shut down thing with that poker site.

I mean I hope you guys are right and we can use this to transfer to and from but I dont think it will be that easy.

Any information we get the feds can get just as easily.
 

AK

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Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

IF I HAD THE FINAL SAY I WOULD DENY THE REQUEST TO LEGALIZE ANY SORT OF FOREIGN ONLINE GAMBLING BUT WOULD APPROVE IN STATE REGULATED ONLINE GAMBLING.

Why You might ask? because its federally and state regulated.. No worries of felons being able to have master accounts where they could flat out steal from You and payments would be guaranteed if won. Yes You would be taxed but who cares, that pays for your local schools, roads, and other important things needed within our society.
 

wideopen21

EOG Addicted
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

IF I HAD THE FINAL SAY I WOULD DENY THE REQUEST TO LEGALIZE ANY SORT OF FOREIGN ONLINE GAMBLING BUT WOULD APPROVE IN STATE REGULATED ONLINE GAMBLING.

What do you mean by "IN STATE REGULATED"? Allow each state to decide on whether to make online gaming legal? What if a state decides it doesn't want online gambling? are the people in that state SOL?

If you are referring to a general legalization of online gambling, i think that is obviously where we are headed. The US government would NEVER legalize internet gambling and let foreign business reap the rewards.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

As good as my math skills are, my reading/comprehension is on the attrotious side. After reading this I feel like the passing of this bill would be more beneficial to the sports market than not. What am I missing here?
 
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

As good as my math skills are, my reading/comprehension is on the attrotious side. After reading this I feel like the passing of this bill would be more beneficial to the sports market than not. What am I missing here?


Unlike prior bills, this bill provides a means for those charged with writing regulations for the Unlawful Internet Gambling Act (UIGEA) to provide clarity to banks and payment processors while at the same time imposing immediate restrictions on Sports Wagering, an activity considered clearly illegal.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Unlike prior bills, this bill provides a means for those charged with writing regulations for the Unlawful Internet Gambling Act (UIGEA) to provide clarity to banks and payment processors while at the same time imposing immediate restrictions on Sports Wagering, an activity considered clearly illegal.
Do you think the idea of the sports sites all starting poker rooms to help maneuver money holds any water?
 

TheGuesser

EOG Dedicated
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Unlike prior bills, this bill provides a means for those charged with writing regulations for the Unlawful Internet Gambling Act (UIGEA) to provide clarity to banks and payment processors while at the same time imposing immediate restrictions on Sports Wagering, an activity considered clearly illegal.

How? Like others have stated, the US has no say or jurisdiction over an offshore, provided it's not Publicallly traded, and it's owners either stay out of the US, or aren't US citizens. Sure, undercover Rats can deposit at a Poker site, transfer to the Book, Bet Sports, get a payout, and cry to their supervisor that it's really a Sportbetting operation as well. Who cares? They can't shut down the Sportsbook from serving US Citizens. If they could, WSEX, TheGreek, BetJam, Etc., etc., etc., would have ceased US Operations along with the other Pussy shops(I'm talking to you, Pinny) that did. While it sure would be preferable if Barney's bill included Sports, I don't see the big downside that it doesn't. At worst, things are as they are now for Sportbettors, inconvenient compared to the Neteller days, but do-able. The Upside is that Offshore Gambling is Officially sanctioned and Legal by the US Gov't. It's a Big Foot in the door. The National psychie will be that Offshore, Internet Gambling is now legal. How will the Feds prove I, strictly a SportsBettor, am not getting a payment from a Poker House based on my Poker Winnings, rather than a great NFL Week, since they are not and can't be privy to my play at the Sports/Poker Book located in Antigua/Costa Rica/Pnama/Kanawankee compound. I'm trying to figure out the big downside to this but I don't see it. It's not all that we would want, but it's something better than we currently have, and we have to take our small victories where we can get them.
 

Trip78

EOG Member
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

How? Like others have stated, the US has no say or jurisdiction over an offshore, provided it's not Publicallly traded, and it's owners either stay out of the US, or aren't US citizens. Sure, undercover Rats can deposit at a Poker site, transfer to the Book, Bet Sports, get a payout, and cry to their supervisor that it's really a Sportbetting operation as well. Who cares? They can't shut down the Sportsbook from serving US Citizens. If they could, WSEX, TheGreek, BetJam, Etc., etc., etc., would have ceased US Operations along with the other Pussy shops(I'm talking to you, Pinny) that did. While it sure would be preferable if Barney's bill included Sports, I don't see the big downside that it doesn't. At worst, things are as they are now for Sportbettors, inconvenient compared to the Neteller days, but do-able. The Upside is that Offshore Gambling is Officially sanctioned and Legal by the US Gov't. It's a Big Foot in the door. The National psychie will be that Offshore, Internet Gambling is now legal. How will the Feds prove I, strictly a SportsBettor, am not getting a payment from a Poker House based on my Poker Winnings, rather than a great NFL Week, since they are not and can't be privy to my play at the Sports/Poker Book located in Antigua/Costa Rica/Pnama/Kanawankee compound. I'm trying to figure out the big downside to this but I don't see it. It's not all that we would want, but it's something better than we currently have, and we have to take our small victories where we can get them.

The national psychie if this bill passes will be that poker is legal but sports betting is clearly not. This bill takes sports betting and puts it on an island and tells the banks and feds not to dare let any funding go in or out for any sportsbooks. Which is why Jay said it was anti sports betting and it is. Very.

You are right, they cannot get to the owners of these offshore books but if this bill passes I think the DOJ will step up its current efforts to shut off the funding. And its a torturous process now. Every time a new processing avenue opens it gets shut down pretty quick. This witch hunt will get more intense if the bill passes.
 

Trip78

EOG Member
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Sorry for the double post here but I forgot something. This bill not only singles out sports betting to be illegal, it speeds up the process for them to finish the regulations for sports betting while letting poker off the hook completely. So in a month or 2, or however long, the government will unleash the sports betting UIGEA. Which is the biggest Anaconda you've ever seen wrapped around the entire industry and squeezing 24/7/365.
 

OMNIVOROUS FROG

EOG Master
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

It was pretty obvious the poker players and sites were way more organized than the sportbetting counterparts. And as I predicted, they would throw us under the bus as fast as they could to save thier own bacon. They were trolling all of the sites asking for help, but they looked at us as lepers as soon as the help was given. Talk about turning your back on someone. This is another turn for the worse.

Best Wishes...OF :smokesmal
 
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Do you think the idea of the sports sites all starting poker rooms to help maneuver money holds any water?

No water at all. I am sure it will only be select poker rooms and definantely not any that have a evil sportsbook attached to them2938u4ji23
 

OMNIVOROUS FROG

EOG Master
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Anyone who thinks there is some magical silver lining in this for sportsbettors is going to be very sad if it passes. It's just an after the fact exclusion, like lotto, horse racing, land based casinos and everything else the government profits from. And if the lobbyists get there way, and this does pass, it will be because playing poker does not damage families like betting on sports. They dropped the funding terrorism slant because no one bought that joke. If the entire law is not repealed, and we lose the largest segment to an exclusion, that was on our side, the show might be over.

Best Wishes...oF :doh12348ji23e
 

royalfan

EOG Dedicated
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

The whole thing is frustrating beyond anything I can possibly describe.
 

The Prophet

EOG Dedicated
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

FWIW


Lawyer Blasts Barney Frank Bill



We here at Gambling911.com have been singing the praises of Congressman Barney Frank for weeks and continued to do so following his disclosure of a new bill whose goal it was to legalize online gambling in the US.

Sounds great? Interestingly enough the reaction within the Internet gambling industry has been mixed.

We received the following response to our article on Barney Frank from a concerned reader who just happens to be an attorney.

First I must repeat that I am a big fan of yours. But I am a trained lawyer (Harvard law) and I do crazy things like read through entire bills for fun. Well I read the Frank Bill. In case you haven't seen it, here it is: http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/financialsvcs_dem/21frank_004_xml_(2).pdf (COPIED BELOW) Not just the highlights that the politicians want you to swallow, the whole damn thing. 26 pages of legislation is an awful lot to "repeal" one little law. Which of course, this does not. It is a lie. Frank's bill doesn't repeal a thing.

I read your article entitled: The Barney Frank Plan: Who Wins, Who Loses. What you are missing in your discussion of competition is the fact that the US government would be the sole determinator as to who get a license. Red Bull and Snapple didn't have to jump through legislative hoops to put their product on the market.

Also, although he continually says so in typical politician double-speak, his bill does not repeal a thing. Read it. No where does the word repeal appear. His is simply an amendment, an addition, more legislation not less. HE SIMPLY TACKED IT ON TO THE END OF THE UIGEA, he isn't repealing anything. He is merely trying to add legislative strings to the industry. It is the same trick the politicians used to get the Patriot Act passed, when there was nothing patriotic about it at all. They call it one thing so it sounds good, and expect that no one will read it and they get everyone to vote for it just because of what they call it.

The mere fact that he is falsely claiming it is a repeal should send up bright red flags. The UIGEA never made anything illegal that wasn't illegal already. So the fact that he is claiming that his act will create an exemption to the ban on online gambling is patently false. There is no ban on online gambling. The UIGEA did NOT ban online gaming. It only makes it illegal to fund illegal gaming. (And no one knows what the hell is truly illegal in the online arena).

This move by Frank is tricky politician talk. This is a scam. A con. Since the UIGEA may or may not have any teeth, he saw a way to sink his fangs into the gaming industry. First they pass the UIGEA, and get everyone running scared. Then they present this bill as a way to calm your fears. But all this does is put more restrictions on the industry. It is a way to get the competition out of the market and put all of the power over the industry into the hands of a US Government agency. Also, forcing companies in other countries to agree to American jurisdiction is pure bullying, and in my opinion goes against the WTO ruling. (But I may be wrong about that, not my area of expertise).

I totally agree with you. Competition is good for an industry. Any industry. But licensing requirements limit competitive access to an industry. Any industry. Why do you think medical costs and legal costs are so high? What if that shiny new license costs ten million dollars in donations to actually make it through the committee? Still think the little guy could enter the market? Besides, what if MGM.com pays that person in the licensing department 20 million to keep the competition out? Don't think things like that happen here? Try getting a liquor license in NY city. And don't forget to pay fifteen bucks for that rum and coke either.

When the government gets involved we all pay and they get rich. Plus, I am tired of liars. So this really ticks me off.







H.L.C.
.....................................................................
(Original Signature of Member)
110TH CONGRESS
1ST SESSION H. R. ll
To amend title 31, United States Code, to provide for the licensing of
Internet gambling facilities by the Director of the Financial Crimes
Enforcement Network, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts (for himself and [see ATTACHED LIST of cosponsors])
introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee
on lllllllllllllll
A BILL
To amend title 31, United States Code, to provide for the
licensing of Internet gambling facilities by the Director
of the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, and for
other purposes.
1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa2
tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
3 SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
4 This act may be cited as the ‘‘Internet Gambling Reg5
ulation and Enforcement Act of 2007’’.
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1 SEC. 2. FEDERAL LICENSING REQUIREMENT FOR INTER2
NET GAMBLING OPERATORS.
3 (a) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 53 of Title 31, United
4 States Code, is amended by adding at the end the fol5
lowing new Subchapter:
6 ‘‘SUBCHAPTER V—REGULATION OF LAWFUL
7 INTERNET GAMBLING
8 ‘‘? 5381. Congressional findings and purpose
9 ‘‘(a) FINDINGS.—The Congress finds the following:
10 ‘‘(1) Internet gambling is a $13,000,000,000
11 and growing industry worldwide.
12 ‘‘(2) Gambling is a popular activity domesti13
cally, with some form of gambling being permitted
14 in nearly every State.
15 ‘‘(3) Internet gambling is a licensed, regulated
16 activity in more than 50 countries, providing billions
17 of dollars in tax revenue to those countries.
18 ‘‘(4) The global gaming market grossed about
19 $258,000,000,000 in 2005, with online revenues rep20
resenting an estimated 5.0 percent. North American
21 residents accounted for an estimated 47 percent of
22 the global gross gaming yield in 2005.
23 ‘‘(5) A licensing and regulatory regime for
24 Internet gambling in the United States is needed to
25 provide appropriate protections against underage
26 gambling, compulsive gambling, money laundering,
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1 and fraud for those citizens who choose to gamble
2 online.
3 ‘‘(6) Licensing and regulating Internet gam4
bling in the United States would provide additional
5 tax revenues, and would reduce tax avoidance.
6 ‘‘? 5382. Definitions
7 ‘‘For purposes of this subchapter, the following defi8
nitions shall apply:
9 ‘‘(1) DIRECTOR.—The term ‘director’ means
10 the Director of the Financial Crimes Enforcement
11 Network.
12 ‘‘(2) BET OR WAGER.—The term ‘bet or wager’
13 shall have the same meaning as in section 5362(1).
14 ‘‘(3) LICENSEE.—The term ‘licensee’ shall
15 mean an Internet gambling operator licensed by the
16 Director in accordance with this subchapter.
17 ‘‘(4) STATE.—The term ‘State’ means any
18 State of the United States, the District of Columbia,
19 or any commonwealth, territory, or other possession
20 of the United States.
21 ‘‘(5) INTERNET.—The term ‘Internet’ means
22 the international computer network of interoperable
23 packet switched data networks.
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1 ‘‘(6) SPORTING LEAGUE.—The term ‘sporting
2 league’ shall mean any sporting association, whether
3 professional, scholastic, or amateur.
4 ‘‘(7) OPERATE AN INTERNET GAMBLING FACIL5
ITY.—The term ‘operate an Internet gambling facil6
ity’ means the direction, management, supervision,
7 or control of an Internet site through which bets or
8 wagers are placed, accepted, or otherwise made,
9 whether by telephone, Internet or other wire commu10
nication.
11 ‘‘(8) INDIAN LANDS AND INDIAN TRIBE.—The
12 terms ‘Indian lands’ and ‘Indian tribe’ have the
13 same meanings as in section 4 of the Indian Gaming
14 Regulatory Act.
15 ‘‘? 5383. Establishment and administration of licens16
ing program
17 ‘‘(a) FINCEN REQUIREMENTS.—Subject to the over18
sight and direction of the Secretary of the Treasury, the
19 Director shall prescribe such regulations as may be nec20
essary to administer and enforce the requirements under
21 this subchapter.
22 ‘‘(b) INTERNET GAMBLING LICENSING PROGRAM.—
23 No person shall engage in the business of Internet betting
24 or wagering in the United States without a license issued
25 by the Director in accordance with this subchapter.
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1 ‘‘(c) APPLICATION FOR LICENSE.—
2 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Any person seeking author3
ity to engage in the business of betting or wagering
4 in the United States may apply for a license issued
5 by the Director.
6 ‘‘(2) INFORMATION REQUIRED.—Any applica7
tion for a license under this subchapter shall contain
8 such information as may be required by the Direc9
tor, including—
10 ‘‘(A) a complete financial statements of the
11 applicant;
12 ‘‘(B) documentation showing the corporate
13 structure of the applicant and all related busi14
nesses and affiliates; and
15 ‘‘(C) a certification that the applicant
16 agrees to be subject to United States jurisdic17
tion and all applicable United States laws relat18
ing to Internet gambling activities.
19 ‘‘(d) REVIEW OF LICENSEES.—
20 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—After the filing of a com21
plete application, the Director shall evaluate the gen22
eral fitness of the applicant on the basis of such fac23
tors as the Director determines to be appropriate.
24 ‘‘(2) FACTORS.—The factors taken into account
25 by the Director under paragraph (1) shall include—
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1 ‘‘(A) the financial condition of the appli2
cant;
3 ‘‘(B) the business experience and record of
4 the applicant, including the applicant’s compli5
ance with similar laws and requirements in for6
eign jurisdictions;
7 ‘‘(C) if the applicant is an individual, a
8 background check to determine if the individual
9 has any criminal record; and
10 ‘‘(D) if the applicant is a corporation,
11 partnership, or other business entity, such
12 background check shall occur with respect to
13 the president or other chief executive of the cor14
poration, partnership, or other business entity
15 and other partners or senior executives and di16
rectors of the corporation, partnership, or enti17
ty, as determined appropriate by the Director,
18 in the Director’s sole discretion.
19 ‘‘(e) ASSESSMENTS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE EX20
PENSES.—
21 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—
22 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The cost of admin23
istering this subchapter with respect to each li24
censee, including the cost of any review or ex25
amination of a licensee to ensure compliance
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1 with the terms of the license and this sub2
chapter, shall be assessed by the Director
3 against the licensee institution by written notice
4 in an amount appropriate to meet the Direc5
tor’s expenses in carrying out such administra6
tion, review, or examination.
7 ‘‘(B) DISPOSITION.—Amounts assessed by
8 the Director as user fees under subparagraph
9 (A) shall—
10 ‘‘(i) be maintained by the Director for
11 solely for use in accordance with clause
12 (ii);
13 ‘‘(ii) be available to the Director to
14 cover all expenses incurred by the Director
15 in carrying out this subchapter; and
16 ‘‘(iii) not be construed to be Govern17
ment Funds or appropriated monies, or
18 subject to apportionment for the purposes
19 of chapter 15 or any other authority.
20 ‘‘(C) HEARING.—Any licensee against
21 whom an assessment is assessed under this
22 paragraph shall be afforded an agency hearing
23 if such person submits a request for such hear24
ing within 20 days after the issuance of the no25
tice of assessment.
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1 ‘‘(D) COLLECTION.—
2 ‘‘(i) REFERRAL.—If any licensee fails
3 to pay an assessment under this paragraph
4 after the assessment has become final, the
5 Director shall recover the amount assessed
6 by action in the appropriate United States
7 district court.
8 ‘‘(ii) APPROPRIATENESS OF ASSESS9
MENT NOT REVIEWABLE.—In any civil ac10
tion under clause (i), the validity and ap11
propriateness of the assessment shall not
12 be subject to review.
13 ‘‘(2) DIRECT AND EXCLUSIVE OBLIGATION OF
14 LICENSEE.—The user fee shall be the direct and ex15
clusive obligation of the licensee and may not be de16
ducted from amounts available as deposits to any
17 person placing a bet.
18 ‘‘(f) APPROVAL OF LICENSE.—The Director shall
19 grant licenses under this subchapter if, in the Director’s
20 sole discretion, the applicant meets the criteria set by the
21 Director and is generally fit to engage in the business of
22 Internet gambling.
23 ‘‘(g) SAFEGUARDS REQUIRED OF LICENSEE.—No
24 person shall receive or retain a license under this section
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1 unless the person implements and maintains the following
2 requirements with respect to any Internet bet or wager:
3 ‘‘(1) Appropriate safeguards to ensure that the
4 individual placing a bet or wager is 18 years of age
5 or older.
6 ‘‘(2) Appropriate safeguards to ensure that the
7 individual placing a bet or wager is physically lo8
cated in a jurisdiction that permits Internet gam9
bling at the time the bet or wager is placed.
10 ‘‘(3) Appropriate mechanisms to ensure that all
11 taxes relating to Internet gambling due to Federal
12 and State governments and to Indian tribes from
13 persons engaged in Internet gambling are collected
14 at the time of any payment of any proceeds of Inter15
net gambling.
16 ‘‘(4) Appropriate mechanisms to ensure that all
17 taxes relating to Internet gambling due to Federal
18 and State governments and to Indian tribes from
19 any licensee are collected as required by law.
20 ‘‘(5) Appropriate safeguards to combat fraud
21 and money laundering as may be prescribed by regu22
lations issued by the Director or a designee of the
23 Director.
24 ‘‘(6) Appropriate safeguards to combat compul25
sive Internet gambling.
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1 ‘‘(7) Appropriate safeguards to protect the pri2
vacy and security of any person engaged in Internet
3 gambling.
4 ‘‘(8) Appropriate mechanisms to ensure that
5 any assessment under subsection (e) is paid to the
6 Director.
7 ‘‘(9) Such other requirements as the Director
8 may establish by regulation or order.
9 ‘‘(h) LICENSES DENIED.—
10 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—No license shall be granted
11 to any individual who has been convicted under the
12 laws of any foreign country, the United States, or
13 any State for any criminal violation involving gam14
bling laws, financial markets, or financial laws, in15
cluding any money laundering, fraud, privacy, or in16
formation security law.
17 ‘‘(2) APPLICABILITY TO BUSINESS ENTITIES.—
18 If an applicant for a license is a corporation, part19
nership, or other business entity, paragraph (1) shall
20 apply with respect to each partner, officer, or direc21
tor of such corporation, partnership, or entity.
22 ‘‘(i) TERM AND RENEWAL OF LICENSE.—
23 ‘‘(1) TERM.—Any license issued under this sec24
tion shall be issued for a 1-year term beginning on
25 the date of issuance.
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1 ‘‘(2) RENEWAL.— Licenses may be renewed in
2 accordance with the requirements prescribed by the
3 Director pursuant to this subchapter.
4 ‘‘(j) REVOCATION OF LICENSE.—
5 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Any license granted under
6 this subchapter shall be terminated or revoked by
7 the Director if—
8 ‘‘(A) the licensee fails to comply with any
9 provision of this subchapter; or
10 ‘‘(B) the licensee, or in any case in which
11 the licensee the licensee is a corporation, part12
nership, or other business entity, any officer,
13 partner, or director of that corporation, part14
nership, or other entity, is convicted of a crime
15 involving the payments system, financial mar16
kets, or Internet gambling laws of the United
17 States or of the jurisdiction in which the li18
censee is located.
19 ‘‘(2) FINAL ACTION.—Any revocation of a li20
cense under paragraph (1) shall be treated as a final
21 action by the Director .
22 ‘‘(k) COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAWS.—Licens23
ees shall be required to comply with anti-money laun24
dering, anti-fraud, anti-terrorism, and such other regula-
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1 tions, requirements, and limitations as may be prescribed
2 by the Director.
3 ‘‘(l) ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS.—
4 ‘‘(1) GENERAL POWERS OF DIRECTOR.—Sub5
ject to the oversight and direction of the Secretary
6 of the Treasury, the Director may—
7 ‘‘(A) require a class of licensees to main8
tain appropriate procedures to ensure compli9
ance with this subchapter and regulations pre10
scribed under this subchapter;
11 ‘‘(B) examine any licensee and any books,
12 papers, records, or other data of licensees rel13
evant to any recordkeeping or reporting require14
ments imposed by the Director under this sub15
chapter;
16 ‘‘(C) summon a licensee or an applicant
17 for a license, an officer or employee of a li18
censee or any such applicant (including a
19 former officer or employee), or any person hav20
ing possession, custody, or care of the reports
21 and records required by the Director under this
22 subchapter, to appear before the Director or a
23 designee of the Director at a time and place
24 named in the summons and to produce such
25 books, papers, records, or other data, and to
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1 give testimony, under oath, as may be relevant
2 or material to any investigation in connection
3 with the enforcement of this subchapter or any
4 application for a license under this subchapter.
5 ‘‘(2) ADMINISTRATIVE ASPECTS OF SUM6
MONS.—
7 ‘‘(A) PRODUCTION AT DESIGNATED
8 SITE.—A summons issued pursuant to this sub9
section may require that books, papers, records,
10 or other data stored or maintained at any place
11 be produced at any business location of a li12
censee or applicant for a license or any des13
ignated location in any State or in any territory
14 or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the
15 United States not more than 500 miles distant
16 from any place where the licensee or applicant
17 for a license operates or conducts business in
18 the United States.
19 ‘‘(B) NO LIABILITY FOR EXPENSES.—The
20 United States shall not be liable for any ex21
pense incurred in connection with the produc22
tion of books, papers, records, or other data
23 under this subsection.
24 ‘‘(C) SERVICE OF SUMMONS.—Service of a
25 summons issued under this subsection may be
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1 by registered mail or in such other manner cal2
culated to give actual notice as the Director
3 may prescribe by regulation.
4 ‘‘(3) CONTUMACY OR REFUSAL.—
5 ‘‘(A) REFERRAL TO ATTORNEY GEN6
ERAL.—In case of contumacy by a person
7 issued a summons under this subsection or a
8 refusal by such person to obey such summons
9 or to allow the Director to conduct an examina10
tion, the Director shall refer the matter to the
11 Secretary of the Treasury for referral to the At12
torney General.
13 ‘‘(B) JURISDICTION OF COURT.—The At14
torney General may invoke the aid of any court
15 of the United States within the jurisdiction of
16 which—
17 ‘‘(i) the investigation which gave rise
18 to the summons or the examination is
19 being or has been carried on;
20 ‘‘(ii) the person summoned is an in21
habitant; or
22 ‘‘(iii) the person summoned carries on
23 business or may be found,
24 to compel compliance with the summons.
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1 ‘‘(C) COURT ORDER.—The court may issue
2 an order requiring the person summoned to ap3
pear before the Director or a delegate of the
4 Director to produce books, papers, records, and
5 other data, to give testimony as may be nec6
essary to explain how such material was com7
piled and maintained, to allow the Director to
8 examine the business of a licensee, and to pay
9 the costs of the proceeding.
10 ‘‘(D) FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH ORDER.—
11 Any failure to obey the order of the court may
12 be punished by the court as a contempt thereof.
13 ‘‘(E) SERVICE OF PROCESS.—All process
14 in any case under this subsection may be served
15 in any judicial district in which such person
16 may be found.
17 ‘‘? 5384. Financial institutions
18 ‘‘(a) INVESTMENT BANKING.—No person shall be
19 held liable for engaging in investment banking activities
20 for or on behalf of a licensee or involving a licensee, if
21 such activities are performed in compliance with this sub22
chapter, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, the Securities Act of
23 1933 Act, the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and any
24 other applicable laws governing securities.
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1 ‘‘(b) PAYMENT AND TRANSACTION PROCESSING.—
2 No person shall be held liable for engaging in payments
3 processing activities for or on behalf of a licensee or involv4
ing a licensee, if such activities are performed in compli5
ance with this subchapter.
6 ‘‘(c) FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.—No financial insti7
tution shall be held liable for engaging in financial activi8
ties and transactions for or on behalf of a licensee or in9
volving a licensee, if such activities are performed in com10
pliance with this subchapter and with applicable Federal,
11 State, and foreign banking laws and regulations.
12 ‘‘? 5385. Prohibition and limitation of licenses in
13 States and Indian lands
14 ‘‘(a) STATE OPT OUT.—
15 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—No Internet gambling li16
censee may engage, under any license issued under
17 this subchapter, in the business of Internet betting
18 or wagering in any State which prohibits such busi19
ness within such State if the Governor or other chief
20 executive officer of such State informs the Director
21 of such prohibition before the end of the 90-day pe22
riod beginning on the date of the enactment of the
23 Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act
24 of 2007, or in accordance with paragraph (3), until
25 such time as any notice of any subsequent repeal of
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1 such prohibition becomes effective under paragraph
2 (3).
3 ‘‘(2) LIMITATIONS IMPOSED BY STATES.—No
4 Internet gambling licensee may engage, under any li5
cense issued under this subchapter, in the business
6 of conducting any particular types of gambling ac7
tivities or other contests in any State which pro8
hibits or limits such particular types of gambling ac9
tivities or other contests if the Governor or other
10 chief executive officer of such State informs the Di11
rector of such prohibition or limitation , in a manner
12 which clearly identifies the nature and extent of such
13 prohibition or limitation, before the end of the 90-
14 day period beginning on the date of the enactment
15 of the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforce16
ment Act of 2007, or in accordance with paragraph
17 (3), until such time as any notice of any amendment
18 or repeal of such specific prohibition or limitation
19 becomes effective under paragraph (3).
20 ‘‘(3) CHANGES TO STATE LIMITATIONS.— The
21 establishment, repeal, or amendment by any State of
22 any prohibition or limitation referred to in para23
graph (1) or (2) after the end of the 90-day period
24 beginning on the date of the enactment of the Inter25
net Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act of
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1 2007 shall apply, for purposes of this subchapter,
2 with respect to the business of Internet betting or
3 wagering in such State by any licensee beginning on
4 the first January 1 that occurs after the end of the
5 30-day period beginning on the later of—
6 ‘‘(A) the date a notice of such establish7
ment, repeal, or amendment is provided by the
8 Governor or other chief executive officer of such
9 State in writing to the Director; or
10 ‘‘(B) the effective date of such establish11
ment, repeal, or amendment.
12 ‘‘(b) INDIAN TRIBE OPT OUT.—
13 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—No Internet gambling li14
censee may engage, under any license issued under
15 this subchapter, in the business of Internet betting
16 or wagering within the tribal lands of any Indian
17 tribe which prohibits such business within such trib18
al lands if the principal chief or other chief executive
19 officer of such Indian tribe informs the Director of
20 such prohibition before the end of the 90-day period
21 beginning on the date of the enactment of the Inter22
net Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act of
23 2007, or in accordance with paragraph (3), until
24 such time as any notice of any repeal or amendment
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1 of such prohibition becomes effective under para2
graph (3).
3 ‘‘(2) LIMITATIONS IMPOSED BY INDIAN
4 TRIBES.—No Internet gambling licensee may en5
gage, under any license issued under this sub6
chapter, in the business of conducting any particular
7 types of gambling activities or other contests in the
8 tribal lands of any Indian tribe which prohibits or
9 limits such particular types of gambling activities or
10 other contests if the principal chief or other chief ex11
ecutive officer of such Indian tribe informs the Di12
rector of such prohibition or limitation , in a manner
13 which clearly identifies the nature and extent of such
14 prohibition or limitation, before the end of the 90-
15 day period beginning on the date of the enactment
16 of the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforce17
ment Act of 2007, or in accordance with paragraph
18 (3), until such time as any notice of any amendment
19 or repeal of such specific prohibition or limitation
20 becomes effective under paragraph (3).
21 ‘‘(3) CHANGES TO INDIAN TRIBE LIMITA22
TIONS.— The establishment, repeal, or amendment
23 by any Indian tribe of any prohibition or limitation
24 referred to in paragraph (1) or (2) after the end of
25 the 90-day period beginning on the date of the en-
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1 actment of the Internet Gambling Regulation and
2 Enforcement Act of 2007 shall apply, for purposes
3 of this subchapter, with respect to the business of
4 Internet betting or wagering in the tribal lands of
5 such Indian tribe by any licensee beginning on the
6 first January 1 that occurs after the end of the 30-
7 day period beginning on the later of—
8 ‘‘(A) the date a notice of such establish9
ment, repeal, or amendment is provided by the
10 principal chief or other chief executive officer of
11 such Indian tribe in writing to the Director; or
12 ‘‘(B) the effective date of such establish13
ment, repeal, or amendment.
14 ‘‘(c) ENFORCING STATE AND INDIAN TRIBE LIMITA15
TIONS.—
16 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Director shall take ef17
fective measures to ensure that any licensee under
18 this subchapter, as a condition of the license, com19
plies with any limitation or prohibition imposed by
20 any State or Indian tribe to which the licensee is
21 subject under paragraph (1), (2) or (3) of subsection
22 (a) or (b), as the case may be.
23 ‘‘(2) VIOLATIONS.—It shall be a violation of
24 this subchapter for any licensee knowingly to accept
25 bets or wagers, or engage in any Internet gambling
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1 activity within any State or in the tribal lands of
2 any Indian tribe for which a notice is in effect under
3 paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of subsection (a) or (b),
4 as the case may be.
5 ‘‘(d) INTERMEDIATE ROUTING.—The intermediate
6 routing of electronic data shall not determine the location
7 or locations in which a bet or wager is initiated, received
8 or otherwise made.
9 ‘‘? 5386. Sporting leagues may prohibit internet gam10
bling on league activities
11 ‘‘(a) SPORTING LEAGUE OPT-OUT.—No Internet
12 gambling licensee may engage, under any license issued
13 under this subchapter, in the business of Internet betting
14 or wagering in connection with any sport event or contest
15 of any sporting league which prohibits such business if the
16 chief executive officer of such sporting league informs the
17 Director of such prohibition before the end of the 90-day
18 period beginning on the date of the enactment of the
19 Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act of
20 2007, or in accordance with subsection (c), until such time
21 as any notice of any repeal of such prohibition becomes
22 effective under paragraph (3).
23 ‘‘(b) ESTABLISHMENT OR REPEAL OF SPORTING .—
24 The establishment or repeal by any sporting league of any
25 prohibition referred to in subsection (a) after the end of
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1 the 90-day period beginning on the date of the enactment
2 of the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act
3 of 2007 shall apply, for purposes of this subchapter, with
4 respect to the business of Internet betting or wagering in
5 connection with any sport event or contest of such sport6
ing league by any licensee beginning on the first January
7 1 that occurs after the end of the 30-day period beginning
8 on the later of—
9 ‘‘(1) the date a notice of such establishment or
10 repeal is provided by the chief executive officer of
11 such sporting league in writing to the Director; or
12 ‘‘(2) the effective date of such establishment or
13 repeal.
14 ‘‘(c) VIOLATION OF SPORTING LEAGUE LIMITA15
TION.—
16 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Director shall take ef17
fective measures to ensure that any licensee under
18 this subchapter, as a condition of the license, com19
plies with any prohibition imposed by any sporting
20 league to which the licensee is subject under sub21
section (a) or (b).
22 ‘‘(2) VIOLATIONS.—It shall be a violation of
23 this subchapter for any licensee knowingly to engage
24 in the business of Internet betting or wagering in
25 connection with any sport event or contest of any
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1 sporting league for which a notice is in effect under
2 subsection (a) or (b).
3 ‘‘? 5387. Safe harbors
4 ‘‘ ‘‘It shall be a defense against any prosecution or
5 enforcement action under any Federal or State law
6 against any person possessing a valid license under this
7 subchapter that the activity is authorized under and has
8 been carried out lawfully under the terms of this sub9
chapter.
10 ‘‘? 5388. Criminal penalties
11 ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—Whoever knowingly violates any
12 provision of this subchapter shall be fined under title 18,
13 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both.
14 ‘‘(b) PERMANENT INJUNCTION.—Upon conviction of
15 a person under this section, the court may enter a perma16
nent injunction enjoining such person from placing, receiv17
ing, or otherwise making bets or wagers or sending, receiv18
ing, or inviting information assisting in the placing of bets
19 or wagers.
20 ‘‘? 5389. Rules of construction
21 ‘‘(a) NO EFFECT ON OTHER LAW.—No provision of
22 this subchapter shall be construed as altering, limiting, or
23 extending any Federal or State law or Tribal-State com24
pact prohibiting, permitting, or regulating gambling with25
in the United States.
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1 ‘‘(b) COORDINATION WITH CERTAIN GAMBLING
2 LAWS.—No provision of this chapter shall be construed
3 as permitting any bet or wager that would otherwise vio4
late any provision of—
5 ‘‘(1) the Interstate Horse Racing Act;
6 ‘‘(2) the Professional and Amateur Sports Pro7
tection Act;
8 ‘‘(3) the Gambling Devices Transportation Act;
9 or
10 ‘‘(4) the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act.’’.
11 (b) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENT.—
12 Section 310(b)(2) of title 31, United States Code is
13 amended—
14 (1) by redesignating subparagraphs (J) and (K)
15 as subparagraphs (K) and (L), respectively; and
16 (2) by inserting after subparagraph (I) the fol17
lowing new subparagraph:
18 ‘‘(J) Administer the requirements of sub19
chapter V of chapter 53.’’
20 (c) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections
21 for chapter 53 of title 31, United States Code, is amended
22 by adding at the end the following:
‘‘SUBCHAPTER V—REGULATION OF LAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING
‘‘5381. Congressional findings and purpose.
‘‘5382. Definitions.
‘‘5383. Establishment and administration of licensing program.
‘‘5384. Financial institutions.
‘‘5385. Prohibition and limitation of licenses in States and Indian lands.
‘‘5386. Sporting leagues may prohibit Internet gambling on league activities.
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‘‘5387. Safe harbors.
‘‘5388. Criminal penalties.
‘‘5389. Rules of construction.’’.
1 SEC. 3. REPORT REQUIRED.
2 (a) IN GENERAL.— Before the end of the 1-year pe3
riod beginning on the effective date of the regulations pre4
scribed under section 4(a), and annually thereafter, the
5 Director shall submit a report to the Congress on the li6
censing and regulation of Internet gambling operators.
7 (b) INFORMATION REQUIRED.—Each report sub8
mitted under subsection (a) shall include the following in9
formation:
10 (1) A comprehensive statement regarding the
11 limitations imposed by the States, Indian tribes, and
12 sporting leagues.
13 (2) Relevant statistical information on appli14
cants and licenses.
15 (3) The amount of licensing and user fees col16
lected during the period covered by the report.
17 (4) Information on regulatory or enforcement
18 actions undertaken during the period.
19 (5) Any other information that may be useful
20 to the Congress in evaluating the effectiveness of the
21 Act in meeting its purpose, including the provision
22 of protections against underage gambling, compul23
sive gambling, money laundering, and fraud, and in
24 combating tax avoidance relating to online gambling.
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1 SEC. 4. EFFECTIVE DATE.
2 (a) REGULATIONS.—The Director of the Financial
3 Crimes Enforcement Network shall prescribe such regula4
tions as may appropriate to implement subchapter V of
5 chapter 53 of title 31, United States Code (as added by
6 section 2(a) of this Act) and shall publish such regulations
7 in final form in the Federal Register before the end of
8 the 180-day period beginning on the date of the enactment
9 of this Act.
10 (b) SCOPE OF APPLICATION.— The amendment
11 made by section 2(a) shall apply after the end of the 90-
12 day period beginning on the date of the publication of the
13 regulations in final form in accordance with subsection
14 (a).
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Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

I always have to laugh when I hear/see the gambling community
putting their faith and hopes in the hands of barney frank.
Sorry for the political incorrectness here but, Pappa always told me:
"Don't turn your back on a queer cause he will stick it up your arse."
Looks like ol barney is doing just that and I have been warning you
about this. Just wait till you get his bill (it comes in the form of a tax)
 

OMNIVOROUS FROG

EOG Master
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Like I said, another government takeover. They regulate and tax it when they see fit. And the way our credit card is getting unpayable, I might think sooner than later. People are going to gamble, bet sports, drink, smoke, eat fast foods. They will add another vig, make it like the numbers racket and foist it on the public as safe governement endorsed recreation. Like bingo, lotto, horse racing and soon poker. Dealing with the devil here.

Best Wishes...OF :smokesmal
 
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Like I said, another government takeover. They regulate and tax it when they see fit. And the way our credit card is getting unpayable, I might think sooner than later. People are going to gamble, bet sports, drink, smoke, eat fast foods. They will add another vig, make it like the numbers racket and foist it on the public as safe governement endorsed recreation. Like bingo, lotto, horse racing and soon poker. Dealing with the devil here.

Best Wishes...OF :smokesmal

Glad you see the light OF
12io4j2w90
 

The Prophet

EOG Dedicated
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

Will those poker folks be claiming victory when logging-in with their tax-identification number? :blink:


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wideopen21

EOG Addicted
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

This "attorney" thinks he is breaking new ground with his letter. He thinks he is the only one that knew that the original bill did not make online gambling illegal. I am sorry, but anyone that has paid half a second to this ongoing situation knew that the UIGEA did not make online gambling illegal, rather it restricted the funding of online gaming. And the only thing this bill does for online gamblers is make things easier to get money on and off the sites as a major e-wallet may return without fear of persecution.

With that said this bill apparently doesn't do much, if anything, for sports bettors. That is fairly disappointing for those of us that bet on sports, but for those of us that play poker, its very good news.

This "attorney" also claims that Barney Frank is pulling a scam or a con. Again, only people ignorant to the situation didn't know what this bill was about and what the longterm goals Mr. Frank had for online gambling. Its been clear from the get go that he was out to protect online poker. Some of us hoped that in the process it would also help sports bettors as well.

As for his claims of over-regulation, only a complete fool would think that congress would ever legalize online gambling and NOT sink its teeth into it. Anyone with half a brain would realize that congress would want to be involved. They were never going to allow online gaming be the wild west of the internet. What will likely happen, if Frank has his way, is that a few offshore sites (party poker, poker stars) will become regulated under US supervision/laws and a few legal gaming companies already operating casinos in the US will also get involved. Most poker players were fighting for this. Why? BEcause it increases the chances of bad poker players depositing and playing if it is regulated by the US.

Again, there was never a chance that congress would either repeal UIGEA and allow online gaming to continue without any restrictions.
 

The Prophet

EOG Dedicated
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

UIGEA is merely an experiment to see whether the Government can obtain adequate/viable cooperation from financial processors to eventually implement their skimming scheme (taxation)..."necessary" part of the "feasibility study", if you will, currently taking place.

It’s no secret that book-to-book transfers/Agents is where the serious on/off shore sports action will remain.





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TheGuesser

EOG Dedicated
Re: Call Congress today and tell them you oppose HR 6870- It throws sports betting under the bus

I'm still at a loss to see anything in this bill that will adversley effect WSEX, BetJam, TheGreek, Bookmaker, SIA, etc, etc., sites that run sportsbooks and poker sites, from dealing Sports to US Bettors as always, and at worst, not changing funding and withdrawal options at all, but at best, making workarounds far easier. How does ANY law passed in the US affect WSEX's sportsbook, for example, and how they do business, and who they do business with? What are they gonna do, invade Antigua and bring WSEX Steve back to America?? I don't see anything in this bill that makes that any more possible than before.
 
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