Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

2012 And Huntsman's Surprise

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[FONT=&quot]Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, Jr. (R) stunned his state when his spokesperson announced the governor's support for civil unions. 70 percent of Utahns oppose civil unions, but their objections won't count against Huntsman who said he won't run for a third term as governor - but they could weigh heavily on a 2012 White House run. <o:p></o:p> Huntsman is presidential-quality timber. One of the most popular governors in the country, he's smart, has deep pockets that could fund a campaign and he's had a conservative record earned by cutting taxes and slimming government. He is pro-life and calls himself a social conservative. In fact, the Weekly Standard calls him as "impressive as [Bobby] Jindal, though far more moderate." After this week's development Huntsman will live up to the "far more moderate" label. Huntsman was one of the first governors to endorse John McCain in 2008 and stayed with McCain through The Troubles.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Should he run for president, Huntsman would take heat, just as ex-Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney The Republican base, by and large, is suspicious of candidates who support any legal recognition of same-sex couples. A large plurality -- maybe a majority -- of early Republican primary voters are viscerally uncomfortable with homosexuality and view it as a threat.
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[FONT=&quot]Mr. Romney was blasted as a false convert to the "pro-marriage" side for appearing to switch his position from favoring civil unions to opposing them. Romney said he supported neither arrangement for gays but preferred civil unions if he had to choose; he was pushed into weighing in on the issue because of his state's Supreme Court legalized gay marriage during his term.
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[FONT=&quot]Huntsman might have it worse: he is choosing to take a position on the issue without being pressured to. "Pro family" groups have accused him of betraying conservatives by embracing civil unions after campaigning against them in 2004 when he ran for governor and said he supported Utah's constitutional amendment outlawing unions and marriage for gays. Huntsman hasn't yet explained his mind-change in detail.<o:p></o:p>[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The bill Huntsman endorsed has little chance of passing the conservative Utah legislature.
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[FONT=&quot]Beyond civil unions, Huntsman also threw his support behind a bill to allow two unmarried, co-habiting adults to sign a "joint-support declaration" to gain inheritance rights and medical-decision making decisions for one another, as well as a bill to outlaw employment and housing discrimination for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.
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Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

Another fucking phony politician. It never stops. He just announced he is running in 2012 with his finger up the ass of the homos.
 
Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

The embrasure of supporting the rights of citizens is not a Conservative or Liberal issue. It's an issue of civil liberties and religious freedom.

You support religious freedom, then you should support churches that decide to perform same sex marriages. Plain and simple. You should likewise support churches that decide to NOT perform same sex marriages. Otherwise, keep the government out of the issue, save to be sure that all parties are consenting, and that they have equal protection under the law.

That the idea of the government getting involved one way or another on the issue shows how screwed up the party system has gotten.

As a Libertarian, I don't care who gets married to who. It's none of my business--you don't want a gay marriage? Don't have one then. But never mind if your neighbors or their congregation want to perform the ceremony--and never mind if they don't either. None of your damn business.

So long as the parties are consenting, and have equal protection, drive on. None of my business either way. You want to get a quicky divorce? Drive on, so long as there are equal protections. You want a fast track marriage? Drive on, so long as there are equal protections.

Will it mean that some folks get married who maybe shouldn't? Probably, but that hasn't stopped folks in the past, and it won't stop folks in the future. Freedom is about letting people make their own damn mistakes, and maybe even learn from them.

In the end though, what your neighbors do with their genitalia doesn't affect you. Unless you've been invited to their house, why does it matter what they do behind closed doors, or in their back yard?

This isn't a Conservative issue--or rather, it's a no brainer if you support the Constitution, state's rights, and civil liberties in any way. And that there are some who like to poke their nose into other peoples' business, and call it "Conservative" is not just a misnomer, it's anathema to being a good citizen.

Life. Liberty. Pursuit of happiness. Not, "pursuit of happiness, except for them queers."

If you like personal liberty, and you like states' rights, then gay marriage should be an easy sell--unless of course, you've got a separate agenda that includes being a gottverdammit Nosey Nellie...
 
Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

Another fucking phony politician. It never stops. He just announced he is running in 2012 with his finger up the ass of the homos.

He's realized that Utah is a fast-growing state, and if they want their share of the California emigres that have bolstered Colorado, Oregon, and Arizona, then they better pull the moral stick out of their ass.
 
Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

He's realized that Utah is a fast-growing state, and if they want their share of the California emigres that have bolstered Colorado, Oregon, and Arizona, then they better pull the moral stick out of their ass.

As someone with family in Utah, I'd concur with this very spot-on analysis.
 

gopherbob

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Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

The embrasure of supporting the rights of citizens is not a Conservative or Liberal issue. It's an issue of civil liberties and religious freedom.

You support religious freedom, then you should support churches that decide to perform same sex marriages. Plain and simple. You should likewise support churches that decide to NOT perform same sex marriages. Otherwise, keep the government out of the issue, save to be sure that all parties are consenting, and that they have equal protection under the law.

That the idea of the government getting involved one way or another on the issue shows how screwed up the party system has gotten.

As a Libertarian, I don't care who gets married to who. It's none of my business--you don't want a gay marriage? Don't have one then. But never mind if your neighbors or their congregation want to perform the ceremony--and never mind if they don't either. None of your damn business.

So long as the parties are consenting, and have equal protection, drive on. None of my business either way. You want to get a quicky divorce? Drive on, so long as there are equal protections. You want a fast track marriage? Drive on, so long as there are equal protections.

Will it mean that some folks get married who maybe shouldn't? Probably, but that hasn't stopped folks in the past, and it won't stop folks in the future. Freedom is about letting people make their own damn mistakes, and maybe even learn from them.

In the end though, what your neighbors do with their genitalia doesn't affect you. Unless you've been invited to their house, why does it matter what they do behind closed doors, or in their back yard?

This isn't a Conservative issue--or rather, it's a no brainer if you support the Constitution, state's rights, and civil liberties in any way. And that there are some who like to poke their nose into other peoples' business, and call it "Conservative" is not just a misnomer, it's anathema to being a good citizen.

Life. Liberty. Pursuit of happiness. Not, "pursuit of happiness, except for them queers."

If you like personal liberty, and you like states' rights, then gay marriage should be an easy sell--unless of course, you've got a separate agenda that includes being a gottverdammit Nosey Nellie...

jesse ventura said the state shouldn't recognize any church performed marriage. as far as the government was concerned, any couple could get a civil union contract that would be state recognized. if they choose to marry in a church, thats their option, but they'd still need a civil union contract.
 
Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

jesse ventura said the state shouldn't recognize any church performed marriage. as far as the government was concerned, any couple could get a civil union contract that would be state recognized. if they choose to marry in a church, thats their option, but they'd still need a civil union contract.

He is correct, of course, in that all we are talking about is the state issuing a "license" for a couple to legally join. Churches come into play because clergy are normally recognized to legally perform the ceremony and then sign the license to make everything all legal. The problem, of course, is the recognition of said union by another state.
 
Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

Where the hell are our trolls? This should be like chum-in-the-water for them. . .Has Doc chased them off through shear fatigue?
 

gopherbob

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Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

Where the hell are our trolls? This should be like chum-in-the-water for them. . .Has Doc chased them off through shear fatigue?

once the stimulus bill passed, they vanished.
ktb and mr merlin are still here. the problem is i like both of them. they state their side, i state mine, no name calling. each has presented a few arguements
well enough that i changed my position and and ended up being in agreement with them. even though i rarely agree with munchkin man, i still like him and enjoy reading his posts.
 
Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

But the stimulus has little or no effect on the "God, guns and gays" plank of the Repug Party. They can still spew their holiance and hatred of all things that have to do with "unholy" alliances. . .
 

gopherbob

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Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

But the stimulus has little or no effect on the "God, guns and gays" plank of the Repug Party. They can still spew their holiance and hatred of all things that have to do with "unholy" alliances. . .

they might lose 5 seats in the senate in 2010, much more if the stimulus is successful. it's no fun when your party is getting crushed, it must be like being a minnesta gopher and having iowa visit you in the metrodome.
 
Re: Republican Governor supports Civil Unions

I sometimes think that Merle is having fun with the situation more than expressing his real opinion. I could be wrong but I do anticipate Merle's participation. . .

ktb obviously subscribes to or receives many of the hard-right apologists publications. "Forgive him Father for he knows not what he does" should adequately address his participation; I expect he will soon appear here and admit he was mistaken when he thought all prisoners in American custody shoule be tortured. . .
 
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