Rank the top 4 Coaches left in the field of 16
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Doc Mercer
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Izzo is on my list for sure
gotta throw in Calp
Pitino for sure since he has taken 3 teams to Final 4s
screw it .... Self is my 4th
Izzo is on my list for sure
gotta throw in Calp
Pitino for sure since he has taken 3 teams to Final 4s
screw it .... Self is my 4th
gridironguy
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too many good coaches left
good luck deciding who's better between calhoun, williams, pitino, coach k, izzo, and calipari. you can decide it by titles but then it's 2, 1, 1, ?, 1 and 0
but that does not always tell the story
too many good coaches left
good luck deciding who's better between calhoun, williams, pitino, coach k, izzo, and calipari. you can decide it by titles but then it's 2, 1, 1, ?, 1 and 0
but that does not always tell the story
Doc Mercer
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Pitino is the only coach to take 3 schools to final 4s so he has to be
on everyones list
I love Izzo's pgm ... rock solid and hell ... has the NCAA ever sniffed MSU
for any sort of shit? I can't remember in my lifetime going back to
Jud if that has ever happened which is amazing if ya think about it
Pitino is the only coach to take 3 schools to final 4s so he has to be
on everyones list
I love Izzo's pgm ... rock solid and hell ... has the NCAA ever sniffed MSU
for any sort of shit? I can't remember in my lifetime going back to
Jud if that has ever happened which is amazing if ya think about it
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Coach K
Self
Izzo
Roy Williams
Coach K
Self
Izzo
Roy Williams
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Pitino has to be top 4, I wouldn't want anyother coach
Pitino has to be top 4, I wouldn't want anyother coach
gridironguy
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i would put him on the list because he has won a title and was runner up another time, not because of jumping around to different teams and taking them to the final 4
the 3 schools to final 4s criteria punishes other coaches like izzo who has only been at one school, coach k at one, and coach williams at 2 major schools
longevity at one institution should not be punished, use total final 4s but don't give extra credit to a guy for being a bit like larry brown and not staying in one place
calhoun and coach k have to be on the list because they have won more titles than anybody left
coach k has 3 championships
calhoun has 2 championships
boom, end of the top 2
now choose the next 2 between williams, pitino, izzo, calipari, and what about boeheim? a title and a couple of final 4's, hell a runner up in there in 87
in 96 boeheim took an above avg team with only 1 real scorer to the final game
i would put him on the list because he has won a title and was runner up another time, not because of jumping around to different teams and taking them to the final 4
the 3 schools to final 4s criteria punishes other coaches like izzo who has only been at one school, coach k at one, and coach williams at 2 major schools
longevity at one institution should not be punished, use total final 4s but don't give extra credit to a guy for being a bit like larry brown and not staying in one place
calhoun and coach k have to be on the list because they have won more titles than anybody left
coach k has 3 championships
calhoun has 2 championships
boom, end of the top 2
now choose the next 2 between williams, pitino, izzo, calipari, and what about boeheim? a title and a couple of final 4's, hell a runner up in there in 87
in 96 boeheim took an above avg team with only 1 real scorer to the final game
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
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I forgot about Boeheim
what has he won?
Like 800 games give or take?
I forgot about Boeheim
what has he won?
Like 800 games give or take?
gridironguy
EOG Veteran
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799 and counting
bill self has to be included if you're talking best coaches RIGHT NOW
what he did at tulsa was amazing, ku the title last yr
hell, what he did with a completely new ku squad except for collins is particularly noteworthy
799 and counting
bill self has to be included if you're talking best coaches RIGHT NOW
what he did at tulsa was amazing, ku the title last yr
hell, what he did with a completely new ku squad except for collins is particularly noteworthy
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bill self has been very impressive throughout his career, but he can't be mentioned w/ these other coaches yet...
Johnny C is a excellent recruiter, maybe the best in the nation. Im not so sure about his in game coaching, along with x's and o's and such.
But Pitino starting of at little Boston U to Providence to Kentucky to Louisville, just amazing work done at each stop. Hopefully this will be his last job.
bill self has been very impressive throughout his career, but he can't be mentioned w/ these other coaches yet...
Johnny C is a excellent recruiter, maybe the best in the nation. Im not so sure about his in game coaching, along with x's and o's and such.
But Pitino starting of at little Boston U to Providence to Kentucky to Louisville, just amazing work done at each stop. Hopefully this will be his last job.
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lol, I can't continue a convo with someone who has Matt Painter in the top 4 coaches left. When half of them are hall of famers.
lol, I can't continue a convo with someone who has Matt Painter in the top 4 coaches left. When half of them are hall of famers.
Doc Mercer
EOG Master
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Louisville:
this is Pitino's last stop?
like STE-ROD stating: "I hope I am the last guy Madonna fucks ..."
Louisville:
this is Pitino's last stop?
like STE-ROD stating: "I hope I am the last guy Madonna fucks ..."
railbird
EOG Master
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hallf of fame is a fraud. No Tarkanian.
besides what is the hall of fame? The guy who has cheated the longest without getting caught?
hallf of fame is a fraud. No Tarkanian.
besides what is the hall of fame? The guy who has cheated the longest without getting caught?
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
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Painter has done a great job. Kids actually go to class at Purdue.
Interesting no one mentioned Calhoun.
Painter has done a great job. Kids actually go to class at Purdue.
Interesting no one mentioned Calhoun.
gridironguy
EOG Veteran
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read the thread again. some guy named 'gridironguy' referenced calhoun and his 2 national championships several times this thread
only coach k has more than calhoun amongst the sweet 16 coaches. coach k's 3 championships are impressive
no one else has even 2 other than calhoun
that will change this yr when either pitino or roy williams earn #2
i would bet it's roy who gets it
read the thread again. some guy named 'gridironguy' referenced calhoun and his 2 national championships several times this thread
only coach k has more than calhoun amongst the sweet 16 coaches. coach k's 3 championships are impressive
no one else has even 2 other than calhoun
that will change this yr when either pitino or roy williams earn #2
i would bet it's roy who gets it
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
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First off calipari is not even in the top 10. He himself admitted he isn't a good coach, the only reason he gets the players that he gets is because of his non-stop recruiting campaigns. He puts emphasis on recruiting over coaches. Because now collegiate athletics are all about the players and not about the coach.
Here are my top 4:
1. Coach K
2. Pitino
3. Self
4. Izzo
First off calipari is not even in the top 10. He himself admitted he isn't a good coach, the only reason he gets the players that he gets is because of his non-stop recruiting campaigns. He puts emphasis on recruiting over coaches. Because now collegiate athletics are all about the players and not about the coach.
Here are my top 4:
1. Coach K
2. Pitino
3. Self
4. Izzo
BuzzRavanaugh
EOG Enthusiast
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Boeheim
Self
K
Izzo
Boeheim
Self
K
Izzo
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1) Recruiting is the absolute biggest part of coaching. I will take a great recruiter over a great in game coach any day. The best in game coaches could easily come from mid major schools, they just aren't able to get the talent to work with.
2) Look at the difference between the beginning of the year and the end. Memphis was not that good of a team at all to start the year. That's why the wins by Xavier and Syracuse over them don't impress me one bit. They weren't that good back then. Right now they'd destroy both those teams, especially Xavier. Memphis has improved tremendously since the start of the year. That shows Calipari can not only recruit better than anyone, but he's a damn good coach also.
1) Recruiting is the absolute biggest part of coaching. I will take a great recruiter over a great in game coach any day. The best in game coaches could easily come from mid major schools, they just aren't able to get the talent to work with.
2) Look at the difference between the beginning of the year and the end. Memphis was not that good of a team at all to start the year. That's why the wins by Xavier and Syracuse over them don't impress me one bit. They weren't that good back then. Right now they'd destroy both those teams, especially Xavier. Memphis has improved tremendously since the start of the year. That shows Calipari can not only recruit better than anyone, but he's a damn good coach also.
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gridironguy
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you're joking right? he says he's not good as a joke, it's called self-deprecation, it's calipari's attempt at coming across humble when it's obvious that he knows exactly how good he is. he called himself a "dumb coach" for not putting tyreke evans in at point guard at the start of the season. once evans became pg, memphis went on the 25 gm win streak which is now 27.
i cant believe you would take what he said about himself literally!
too funny
you're joking right? he says he's not good as a joke, it's called self-deprecation, it's calipari's attempt at coming across humble when it's obvious that he knows exactly how good he is. he called himself a "dumb coach" for not putting tyreke evans in at point guard at the start of the season. once evans became pg, memphis went on the 25 gm win streak which is now 27.
i cant believe you would take what he said about himself literally!
too funny
Homedawg
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Funny not 1 mention of Calhoun or Boeheim. Now don't get me wrong I am not arguing for them, but Calhoun has won over 800 games, and Jimmy is on 799. Both have become dominant recruiters bringing in elite talent each year. Boeheim has 1 National Title, and 2 other final game appearances. You can argue that he got there with less than elite talent as well. He is also widely known as the best teacher of the zone defense. Just thought these guys would get a little more play
Funny not 1 mention of Calhoun or Boeheim. Now don't get me wrong I am not arguing for them, but Calhoun has won over 800 games, and Jimmy is on 799. Both have become dominant recruiters bringing in elite talent each year. Boeheim has 1 National Title, and 2 other final game appearances. You can argue that he got there with less than elite talent as well. He is also widely known as the best teacher of the zone defense. Just thought these guys would get a little more play
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Calhoun has been mentioned by a few people already. Boeheim was mentioned by one guy, but for me personally he wouldn't crack my top 10. He doesn't improve the players for the most part. Donte Green had incredible talent and Boeheim did nothing with it. He pretty much just let Donte do what he wanted last year, and what he wanted was to be a selfish player that take terrible shots more often than not. How that team did not even make the NCAA Tournament last year is absolutely horrible. Boeheim may have done the worst coaching job of anyone in the nation last season.
This season almost unraveled for them too. Looked great at the beginning. They got nice matchups against teams in a transition year (Kansas and Memphis) at the right time and you would think that would build confidence winning those games, especially the way they beat Kansas. They struggled for a bit after that though and was actually at a risk to miss the tournament before the hot end to the year. He gets a lot of raw talent, and guys that have tons of potential. They are guys that need to be molded into stars though, and Boeheim more often than not drops the ball doing that. Melo he didn't need to do anything with, he was already a star. I always say recruiting is the biggest part of coaching so I give him tons of credit for getting Melo and getting talented guys like Greene, Flynn, Harris and Devendorf. He just doens't really make them any better.
Just imagine what this would of been capable of if 1) Donte Greene progressed and stayed. He might of stayed if he saw a team that could win the title or was able to improve his stock. I think all an extra year would have done for him is hurt his stock though because Boeheim did nothing to stop him from making poor decisions, 2) He was able to get the guys to play better defense. The 2-3 looks very good at times, but not consistently. Now they are starting to play top teams all it takes is one bad performance on the defensive side and you're gone. They won't be able to switch to man either as I really don't think they'd be able to handle it. As soon as a team starts abusing the zone they are done in my opinion because Boeheim either hasn't spent the time getting them to play great defense, or his guys just don't get it. And 3) If he could only get Devendorf to play at his capabilities consistently. He at times looks absolutely awful, but when he's on he's fantastic. A great coach will get his guys playing as good as they can be pretty consistently. There will of coarse be bad games, but it shouldn't be going from night and day one game to the next. Devendorf can be a great college player, but he needs guidence on how to be a smarter player. That's Boeheim's job.
Boeheim gets talented guys though pretty often, so I will give him props for that.
Calhoun has been mentioned by a few people already. Boeheim was mentioned by one guy, but for me personally he wouldn't crack my top 10. He doesn't improve the players for the most part. Donte Green had incredible talent and Boeheim did nothing with it. He pretty much just let Donte do what he wanted last year, and what he wanted was to be a selfish player that take terrible shots more often than not. How that team did not even make the NCAA Tournament last year is absolutely horrible. Boeheim may have done the worst coaching job of anyone in the nation last season.
This season almost unraveled for them too. Looked great at the beginning. They got nice matchups against teams in a transition year (Kansas and Memphis) at the right time and you would think that would build confidence winning those games, especially the way they beat Kansas. They struggled for a bit after that though and was actually at a risk to miss the tournament before the hot end to the year. He gets a lot of raw talent, and guys that have tons of potential. They are guys that need to be molded into stars though, and Boeheim more often than not drops the ball doing that. Melo he didn't need to do anything with, he was already a star. I always say recruiting is the biggest part of coaching so I give him tons of credit for getting Melo and getting talented guys like Greene, Flynn, Harris and Devendorf. He just doens't really make them any better.
Just imagine what this would of been capable of if 1) Donte Greene progressed and stayed. He might of stayed if he saw a team that could win the title or was able to improve his stock. I think all an extra year would have done for him is hurt his stock though because Boeheim did nothing to stop him from making poor decisions, 2) He was able to get the guys to play better defense. The 2-3 looks very good at times, but not consistently. Now they are starting to play top teams all it takes is one bad performance on the defensive side and you're gone. They won't be able to switch to man either as I really don't think they'd be able to handle it. As soon as a team starts abusing the zone they are done in my opinion because Boeheim either hasn't spent the time getting them to play great defense, or his guys just don't get it. And 3) If he could only get Devendorf to play at his capabilities consistently. He at times looks absolutely awful, but when he's on he's fantastic. A great coach will get his guys playing as good as they can be pretty consistently. There will of coarse be bad games, but it shouldn't be going from night and day one game to the next. Devendorf can be a great college player, but he needs guidence on how to be a smarter player. That's Boeheim's job.
Boeheim gets talented guys though pretty often, so I will give him props for that.
gridironguy
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the fact you put dixon on the top 4 is laughable
putting him #1 is absolutely downright hilarious to the nth fukken degree
the fact you put dixon on the top 4 is laughable
putting him #1 is absolutely downright hilarious to the nth fukken degree
gridironguy
EOG Veteran
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i said calhoun and boeheim so many times from the get go
read the thread again, and read my posts
i said calhoun and boeheim so many times from the get go
read the thread again, and read my posts
gridironguy
EOG Veteran
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9 pt lead over ku with 2:12 to play but memphis goes into the tank at the FT line, thats his players fault not the coach's fault
9 pt lead over ku with 2:12 to play but memphis goes into the tank at the FT line, thats his players fault not the coach's fault
Tim Finchem
EOG Dedicated
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1. Pitino
the rest are inferior
1. Pitino
the rest are inferior
gridironguy
EOG Veteran
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since '96
1 title ('96)
runner up (97)
final 4 (beat badly in the semi)
i don't see how you can see the rest are inferior sir, at this moment in time, roy williams is SUPerior to pitino
since '96
1 title ('96)
runner up (97)
final 4 (beat badly in the semi)
i don't see how you can see the rest are inferior sir, at this moment in time, roy williams is SUPerior to pitino
Tim Finchem
EOG Dedicated
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well im an Illinois fan so I have no bias here but I just LOVE Pitino...nobody can motivate people better than him
I mean its hard to break down "coach" as a whole...recruiting, in game coaching, etc
I made my judgement on the fact that if you gave me 12 random collegiate players and we were only going to play 1 game for all the marbles, I would pick Pitino
well im an Illinois fan so I have no bias here but I just LOVE Pitino...nobody can motivate people better than him
I mean its hard to break down "coach" as a whole...recruiting, in game coaching, etc
I made my judgement on the fact that if you gave me 12 random collegiate players and we were only going to play 1 game for all the marbles, I would pick Pitino
gridironguy
EOG Veteran
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pitino's l'ville team won the big east reg conf title and then the conf tourney
now they have only az and ku-msu winner in the way to the final 4
if they meet uconn, you're saying you would want pitino to coach and his great team, yes? they are not 12 random players, they are some serious ballers on that team
yet you started a thread that said "give uconn the title"
but uconn played in the big east the same conf as pitino but his boys won
make up your mind bro
pitino's l'ville team won the big east reg conf title and then the conf tourney
now they have only az and ku-msu winner in the way to the final 4
if they meet uconn, you're saying you would want pitino to coach and his great team, yes? they are not 12 random players, they are some serious ballers on that team
yet you started a thread that said "give uconn the title"
but uconn played in the big east the same conf as pitino but his boys won
make up your mind bro
Tim Finchem
EOG Dedicated
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UCONN is the best team and will win it all but it will be a challenge...if they had Pitino as coach, they would cakewalk through it
UCONN is the best team and will win it all but it will be a challenge...if they had Pitino as coach, they would cakewalk through it