This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

mofome

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

raiders72001 said:
Just want a different offense. Cle would be better. Can't gauge other players with LeBron going 1 on 1 every play.
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Not like thats the offense they have used the entire series. Lebron had to take over and he did. He finally got some people to make wide open 3s. Hopefully gibson and williams can gain some confidence.
 
Timetopay

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I think im a day late to that argument but i think its the age factor raiders.

Guys didnt see Jordan in his prime and understand that Jordan was like Hulk Hogan. You just never thought he would lose no matter what new guy they sent at him. Barkley,Drexler,Kemp,Malone,etc

I just remember every playoff series saying they are going to win somehow someway.

Dont feel close to that about Lebron or Kobe.
 
Tim Finchem

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

Timetopay said:
Anyone who says Lebron is on Michaels level is uh.....well......wrong
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you're right...when they were both 24, Lebron was much better than Jordan

at the end of their careers, who knows
 
raiders72001

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

Timetopay said:
I think im a day late to that argument but i think its the age factor raiders.

Guys didnt see Jordan in his prime and understand that Jordan was like Hulk Hogan. You just never thought he would lose no matter what new guy they sent at him. Barkley,Drexler,Kemp,Malone,etc

I just remember every playoff series saying they are going to win somehow someway.

Dont feel close to that about Lebron or Kobe.
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Absolutely true about the age factor and Jordan willing the team to a win.
 
raiders72001

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Tim Finchem said:
you're right...when they were both 24, Lebron was much better than Jordan

at the end of their careers, who knows
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Jordan much better at 24. Look at the stats. I put them up yesterday. Will do again in a few.
 
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I can't stand lebron and I want the cavs lakers finals. It's not so much that I hate lebron it's all the grown men I see sucking him off
 
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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

Kobe could hardly shine M.J's shoes..

Dont get me wrong Kobe is a great player, awesome dude.. But Kobe is too sloppy to be compared to Jordan. Jordan was smooth, does anyone ever notice how sloppy Kobe is sometimes, IE= fumbles, awful passes, drives into triple coverage, takes horrible shots etc) . MJ was a better passer as well and those 90's bulls would kick the shit out of the Nuggets and Rockets.. SWEEPS
 
raiders72001

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Jordan at 23 and 24. Plus look at the shooting percentage of Jordan at 24.

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

mofome said:
How many playoff games had Jordan won at the age of 24?
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Worse team. Look at the chumps on Chicago at 23. Pippen was a rookie and did very little when Jordan was 24. He played 20 minutes per game.
 
mofome

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

Boston said:
I can't stand lebron and I want the cavs lakers finals. It's not so much that I hate lebron it's all the grown men I see sucking him off
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Happens because people knock him so frequently. People just don't seem to recognize just how good he is. I think its strange. I don't like clev or Lebron, but hes amazing.
 
alkoholiks

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these kobe/lebron threads are really silly. both are spectacular players and
we should all be happy as hell watching being able to watch these guys play.
 
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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

ANY SUPERSTAR in history when they shot or shoot too much their team suffered, michael jordan, kobe bryant, because those guys had better players around them than lebron, lebron needs to will his frikken team to victory because he just doesnt have the guys around him that michael and kobe had
 
Timetopay

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Jordan was going against the Bad Boys in the 2nd round with a rookie Pippen and Horace Grant. They were babies and still kicking azz.

While The King had the fucking Hawks.

Come on
 
Timetopay

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

I think Lebron is great. Hes just not MJ
 
Tim Finchem

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

raiders72001 said:
Jordan at 23 and 24. Plus look at the shooting percentage of Jordan at 24.
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he averaged 6+ more points than Lebron did this year at the same age...Lebron 2+ more assists and rebounds per game....stats inconclusive so i guess i was wrong, he was not better than Jordan at the same age but not worse either91023i2ndw;l
 
mofome

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

Timetopay said:
Jordan was going against the Bad Boys in the 2nd round with a rookie Pippen and Horace Grant. They were babies and still kicking azz.

While The King had the fucking Hawks.

Come on
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Always a way to spin it. Lebron got his team in position to be the 1 seed. Thats what happens.
 
alkoholiks

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

Timetopay said:
I think Lebron is great. Hes just not MJ
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my thoughts exactly. thats not to say he won't surpass jordan in the future, but to think hes better than jordan now is a joke IMO.
 
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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

Timetopay said:
Jordan was going against the Bad Boys in the 2nd round with a rookie Pippen and Horace Grant. They were babies and still kicking azz.

While The King had the fucking Hawks.

Come on
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Pippen 20 minutes and Grant 22 per game. 7.9 points and 7.7. Rookies did squat.
 
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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

raiders72001 said:
Chi Bulls when Jordan was 24
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it was also only jordan's 3rd season in the league because he played at unc for 3 yrs, 3 yrs in the league vs lebron's 6 is not really fair because you learn way more playing in nba gms than you do in college gms, the learning is much faster getting full mins in nba gms and for 82 gms as opposed to only 35 or so in college per yr

3 yrs michael was in college = abt 100 gms played

3 yrs of lebron playing age 18 to 21 = 240 reg season alone + playoffs
 
Timetopay

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

mofome said:
Always a way to spin it. Lebron got his team in position to be the 1 seed. Thats what happens.
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If you were gonna suit it up with Queeb,Cee,5star,and Journey to take on someone you choose

The Badboys or the 2008/09 Hawks :finger004
 
alkoholiks

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mofo/gridironguy/everyone else that thinks lebron > jordan, just curious, how many championships do you guys think lebron will win during his career?
 
raiders72001

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gridironguy said:
it was also only jordan's 3rd season in the league because he played at unc for 3 yrs, 3 yrs in the league vs lebron's 6 is not really fair because you learn way more playing in nba gms than you do in college gms, the learning is much faster getting full mins in nba gms and for 82 gms as opposed to only 35 or so in college per yr

3 yrs michael was in college = abt 100 gms played

3 yrs of lebron playing age 18 to 21 = 240 reg season alone + playoffs
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Defense different too. Badboys knocked you on your ass every play that you drove.
 
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gridironguy

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

i never said lebron was better than jordan, jordan is GOD

i do believe that lebron > kobe RIGHT NOW
 
alkoholiks

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

80's basketball was the REAL deal. good times.
 
shdw01

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reggie miller > lebron james


j/k
 
raiders72001

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Reggie was great to watch. Reggie playoff stats. Check out the FG %, 3 pt %, FT %.

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Reggie Miller 1994, ECF Game 5, vs. Knicks - Miller 25 in the 4th


 
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Reggie scores 7 points in 22 seconds Different game





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alkoholiks

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

raiders72001 said:
Bos- Bird, McHale, Parrish, Ainge, DJ
LAL - Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, Scott
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those were the good days without the bullshit foul calls today. let the boys get dirty in the block!
 
alkoholiks

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

raiders72001 said:
Reggie scores 7 points in 22 seconds Different game





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one word. AMAZING.
 
alkoholiks

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Re: This is why LeBron is overrated. Stats - When he shoots too much, Cle loses.

raiders72001 said:
LeBron wouldn't drive as much in those days.
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none of these kids today would take it to the hole with the bad boys of the 80's defending. if they did, they would have to earn the basket by taking a beating without the refs helping them out.
 
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