Flamingo kid
Everybody's hands go UP!
I think so. Im watching this game on tape now. Just looking at the QB and the HC i have no idea how they pulled this off. Miracle is the proper word.
they are saying this win over saints saved the tampa coach job although thats hard for me to believe.
Why is it hard to believe? I hope the standard for 1st year coaches isnt making the playoffs. I have seen them slowly get bettter and better, I think his job should be safe.
And that game didn't even mean all that much to New Orleans, notwithstanding the fact that the gap in talent between them and the Bucs doesn't even approach the gap between the USA and USSR that year.
I hereby nominate this post for the DUMBEST POST of 2009
not even .000000000000000000000000000001% as close
Tampa Bay was a bigger upset vis-a-vis the betting lines.
According to several industry veterans who were in Las Vegas in 1980, the line on the Miracle on Ice game had the U.S. as an underdog in the range of 3-1 to 4-1. By all accounts, the game was very lightly bet.
The money line on the Bucs closed at about plus 640.
In this excerpt from an "As I See It" column from 2002 titled "Legends Growing," Jimmy Vaccaro mentions the U.S. was about a 3-1 'dog at the Barbary Coast:
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i think most people responded to this emotionally, not by the book.
Im sure the odds on the other side of the lake were a weeeee bit different.
The line was low for US in Vegas cause Americans bet there.:+waving-5
Tampa Bay was a bigger upset vis-a-vis the betting lines.
According to several industry veterans who were in Las Vegas in 1980, the line on the Miracle on Ice game had the U.S. as an underdog in the range of 3-1 to 4-1. By all accounts, the game was very lightly bet.
The money line on the Bucs closed at about plus 640.
In this excerpt from an "As I See It" column from 2002 titled "Legends Growing," Jimmy Vaccaro mentions the U.S. was about a 3-1 'dog at the Barbary Coast:
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Check out some of FK's other posts and I bet you change your tune.
He has made no less than 5k posts worse than this.
Tampa Bay was a bigger upset vis-a-vis the betting lines.
According to several industry veterans who were in Las Vegas in 1980, the line on the Miracle on Ice game had the U.S. as an underdog in the range of 3-1 to 4-1. By all accounts, the game was very lightly bet.
The money line on the Bucs closed at about plus 640.
In this excerpt from an "As I See It" column from 2002 titled "Legends Growing," Jimmy Vaccaro mentions the U.S. was about a 3-1 'dog at the Barbary Coast:
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A 3-1 dog, eh. Hmmm, interesting. TB was a 6-1 dog. Seems like Tampa was the bigger upset, unless somehow 3 is larger than 6?
You really dont get it do you. :doh1