TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Flamingo kid

Everybody's hands go UP!
I think so. Im watching this game on tape now. Just looking at the QB and the HC i have no idea how they pulled this off. Miracle is the proper word.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

No fucking way....anyone can win on any given Sunday....
 

bernardoincr

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

SAINTS HAVE NOT BEEN "ON ALL CYLINDERS" FOR @ A MONTH
NOW... SOME ONE PUT KRYPTONITE IN THEIR FOOD....
 

K13

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Saints are like slovakia
 

Chessman

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Are you kidding? Not even remotely close. Flamingo you are a knowledgeable guy in general. I've never seen a silly post from you and this is perhaps the most ridiculous one I've seen from anyone since I've been here.
 

Chessman

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

The Bucs beating the Saints is surprising. That's the extent of it.
 

Chessman

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

I didn't mean to be too abrasive...just almost fell out of my chair when I read that.
 

Chessman

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

And that game didn't even mean all that much to New Orleans, notwithstanding the fact that the gap in talent between them and the Bucs doesn't even approach the gap between the USA and USSR that year.
 
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

I hereby nominate this post for the DUMBEST POST of 2009

not even .000000000000000000000000000001% as close
 
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

This even tops the why Cliff Lee didn't pitch on 1 day rest thread
 

KingRevolver

Born Rambler
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

No way. This is one professional team beating another. The miracle on ice was college kids beating professionals.
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

they are saying this win over saints saved the tampa coach job although thats hard for me to believe.
 
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

they are saying this win over saints saved the tampa coach job although thats hard for me to believe.

Why is it hard to believe? I hope the standard for 1st year coaches isnt making the playoffs. I have seen them slowly get bettter and better, I think his job should be safe.
 

MIKEH75

EOG Dedicated
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Why is it hard to believe? I hope the standard for 1st year coaches isnt making the playoffs. I have seen them slowly get bettter and better, I think his job should be safe.


i agree with you.there for a heartbeat there was talk of cowher going there and that was the main reason i was finding it hard to believe they were keeping the first year coach.
 

maverick

EOG Veteran
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

And that game didn't even mean all that much to New Orleans, notwithstanding the fact that the gap in talent between them and the Bucs doesn't even approach the gap between the USA and USSR that year.

Could have cost Saints HFA for the playoffs...............
 

Mammon

EOG Master
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Not even top 100 upsets in the NFL
 

Jeff Haney

EOG Addicted
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Tampa Bay was a bigger upset vis-a-vis the betting lines.

According to several industry veterans who were in Las Vegas in 1980, the line on the Miracle on Ice game had the U.S. as an underdog in the range of 3-1 to 4-1. By all accounts, the game was very lightly bet.

The money line on the Bucs closed at about plus 640.

In this excerpt from an "As I See It" column from 2002 titled "Legends Growing," Jimmy Vaccaro mentions the U.S. was about a 3-1 'dog at the Barbary Coast:

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mofome

Banned
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

i think most people responded to this emotionally, not by the book.
 
J

joeybagadonuts

Guest
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

I hereby nominate this post for the DUMBEST POST of 2009

not even .000000000000000000000000000001% as close

Check out some of FK's other posts and I bet you change your tune.

He has made no less than 5k posts worse than this.
 
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Tampa Bay was a bigger upset vis-a-vis the betting lines.

According to several industry veterans who were in Las Vegas in 1980, the line on the Miracle on Ice game had the U.S. as an underdog in the range of 3-1 to 4-1. By all accounts, the game was very lightly bet.

The money line on the Bucs closed at about plus 640.

In this excerpt from an "As I See It" column from 2002 titled "Legends Growing," Jimmy Vaccaro mentions the U.S. was about a 3-1 'dog at the Barbary Coast:

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Sounds like true odds to me. :+textinb3 Im sure the Barbary Coast was lined with guys that had money down on the USSR in 1980.
 

mofome

Banned
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

so, in no way is this, in any shape or form, a game that should be put in the same class as the miracle on ice.

unless, of course, you are just talking about betting odds. In which case the miracle on ice upset was of little consequence; as far as the history of upsets go.
 

Mammon

EOG Master
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

The line was low for US in Vegas cause Americans bet there.:+waving-5
 
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

The line was low for US in Vegas cause Americans bet there.:+waving-5

Ding Ding. At that time you would have only bet on the bad guys if you could do it in the privacy of your own home.
 
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Obviously the lines we get now days have a better # but the question I have is do books that dont have US bettors have a different line than the others now?
 

Nep Dynasty

EOG Enthusiast
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Lol holy shit what the hell is wrong with this guy?
 

mofome

Banned
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

at least, somehow, this has turned into a decent discussion/read.
 
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Tampa Bay was a bigger upset vis-a-vis the betting lines.

According to several industry veterans who were in Las Vegas in 1980, the line on the Miracle on Ice game had the U.S. as an underdog in the range of 3-1 to 4-1. By all accounts, the game was very lightly bet.

The money line on the Bucs closed at about plus 640.

In this excerpt from an "As I See It" column from 2002 titled "Legends Growing," Jimmy Vaccaro mentions the U.S. was about a 3-1 'dog at the Barbary Coast:

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Well by the betting lines Stanford over USC was a bigger upset than Appalachian State over Michigan.
 

Flamingo kid

Everybody's hands go UP!
Re: TB beating NO was equivalent to USA beating USSR in 1980 olympics?

Tampa Bay was a bigger upset vis-a-vis the betting lines.

According to several industry veterans who were in Las Vegas in 1980, the line on the Miracle on Ice game had the U.S. as an underdog in the range of 3-1 to 4-1. By all accounts, the game was very lightly bet.

The money line on the Bucs closed at about plus 640.

In this excerpt from an "As I See It" column from 2002 titled "Legends Growing," Jimmy Vaccaro mentions the U.S. was about a 3-1 'dog at the Barbary Coast:

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A 3-1 dog, eh. Hmmm, interesting. TB was a 6-1 dog. Seems like Tampa was the bigger upset, unless somehow 3 is larger than 6?
 
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