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This could have a trickling down effect on some prominent Internet gambling sites...

and this is a summary of it too...

Civil Forfeiture of Internet Gambling Funds Filed in Maryland
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By Van Smith | Posted 3/30/2010

Since last summer, as part of a continuing investigation of illegal online gambling ("The Ghost Hand," Feature, March 24), federal investigators in Maryland have seized more than $5 million from U.S. bank accounts tied to payment processors that allegedly transact business on behalf of offshore companies' gambling web sites. Yesterday a civil forfeiture lawsuit filed by the U.S. Attorneys Office in Baltimore was docketed, moving the seizures into a new phase as the government seeks a judge's approval of the government's desire to take ownership of most of the seized funds.

The forfeiture action, which does not specify the amount of money at stake, goes after funds seized from bank accounts of four payment processors: Electracash, HMD, Forshay Enterprises, and Direct Channel. As with all civil forfeiture cases, anyone who believes they have an interest in the money is free to file a claim with the court, asking for its return.

City Paper covered most of the seizures as they occurred: here, here, here, and here. Funds seized from accounts held by another payment processor, Atrium Financial Group, are not mentioned in yesterday's forfeiture action.

Most of the evidence supporting the seizures remains secret, filed in investigators' affidavits that judges have put under seal. The forfeiture filing doesn't shed new light on the investigation. It includes a declaration written by M. Lisa Ward, a special agent with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement, who has written some of the sealed seizure affidavits.

Ward discloses that the seized money is alleged to have been derived from gambling on numerous web sites. She specifically mentions Bodog (which offers casino games, sports betting, horse-race wagering, and poker) and three sites dedicated to poker: PokerStars, FullTilt, and Absolute Poker. The funds subject to forfeiture, she writes, were transmitted from "Canada, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, and elsewhere," into the seized accounts.

The forfeiture is the latest development in the investigation, which began in 2006 by looking at Bodog's dealings and has since focused on seizing payment processors' funds.

The only known criminal charges that have resulted from the probe were filed against Edward Courdy and Michael Garone in 2008, when they were accused of money laundering. In the past, Courdy had an ownership stake in Electracash.

http://www.citypaper.com/digest.asp?id=20017
 

Mammon

EOG Master
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Good for the Governments!


These fuckers left the Us to make money yet they try to send it back to family.
 
Re: Be Careful...

I would make sure that you haven't ever received payment from any of these processors...

Look over the list closely..

There are a lot of unknowns about this recent event..

"Most of the evidence supporting the seizures remains secret, filed in investigators' affidavits that judges have put under seal."

Be extremely careful with WHO you do business with involving Internet gambling establishments..

THE SHRINK
 

tjmac5071

EOG Senior Member
Re: Be Careful...

I use bodog, luckily once I build up a big balance and request a payout I have to fill out a form and never get around to it, end up going down to a level I wouldn't request a payout and the cycle continues...:LMAO
 

patswin

EOG Veteran
Re: Be Careful...

I would make sure that you haven't ever received payment from any of these processors...

Look over the list closely..

There are a lot of unknowns about this recent event..

"Most of the evidence supporting the seizures remains secret, filed in investigators' affidavits that judges have put under seal."

Be extremely careful with WHO you do business with involving Internet gambling establishments..

THE SHRINK

and if we have? I recognize several names on the list, I can't remember for sure when but since checks became the norm a few years ago I'm sure alot of us have. Could they turn over customer lists or something?
 

ballwonder

EOG Master
Re: Be Careful...

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This could have a trickling down effect on some prominent Internet gambling sites...

and this is a summary of it too...

Civil Forfeiture of Internet Gambling Funds Filed in Maryland
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By Van Smith | Posted 3/30/2010



Ward discloses that the seized money is alleged to have been derived from gambling on numerous web sites. She specifically mentions Bodog (which offers casino games, sports betting, horse-race wagering, and poker) and three sites dedicated to poker: PokerStars, FullTilt, and Absolute Poker. The funds subject to forfeiture, she writes, were transmitted from "Canada, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, and elsewhere," into the seized accounts.

The forfeiture is the latest development in the investigation, which began in 2006 by looking at Bodog's dealings and has since focused on seizing payment processors' funds.

The only known criminal charges that have resulted from the probe were filed against Edward Courdy and Michael Garone in 2008, when they were accused of money laundering. In the past, Courdy had an ownership stake in Electracash.

http://www.citypaper.com/digest.asp?id=20017



In regards to the other bold text, to me it seems it is aimed at large scale individuals transfering money. Sounds like poker and some heavy hitters if I read correctly about the seized accounts coming in from those foreign countries.
 

joseph11

EOG Member
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DO NOT post up any significant amount of money at any of the offshores...including the Big guys (cris, pinny, greek....etc).

there is gonna be a day in the not so distant future when they ALL get shut down. the sting is in motion, trust me on this. i'm not gonna continue to come on here and say this because i don't want people to bet scared. but i have two VERY GOOD sources that are involved in shutting all these places down.

J11
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: Be Careful...

DO NOT post up any significant amount of money at any of the offshores...including the Big guys (cris, pinny, greek....etc).

there is gonna be a day in the not so distant future when they ALL get shut down. the sting is in motion, trust me on this. i'm not gonna continue to come on here and say this because i don't want people to bet scared. but i have two VERY GOOD sources that are involved in shutting all these places down.

J11

Then why not mention those sources if you care about your fellow gamblers?

Reminds me of chicken little saying the sky is falling...:+textinb3
 

ballwonder

EOG Master
Re: Be Careful...

DO NOT post up any significant amount of money at any of the offshores...including the Big guys (cris, pinny, greek....etc).

there is gonna be a day in the not so distant future when they ALL get shut down. the sting is in motion, trust me on this. i'm not gonna continue to come on here and say this because i don't want people to bet scared. but i have two VERY GOOD sources that are involved in shutting all these places down.

J11



Bullshit, the good ole usa has no laws to govern other countries as to what they do in their industries. And other countries wont allow them to come in and shut down what is making their countries prosper. Something the usa has yet to figure out yet. Kind of like prohibition, pointless.
 

RealSlimShady

EOG Dedicated
Re: Be Careful...

The govt doesnt need to shut the sites down. If they seize enough $, it will cripple the books and players may be less inclined to post up and play. Plus, seizing the funds is like free money for the Feds...why shut them down? Better for them to keep collecting the cash every few months.
 
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The govt doesnt need to shut the sites down. If they seize enough $, it will cripple the books and players may be less inclined to post up and play. Plus, seizing the funds is like free money for the Feds...why shut them down? Better for them to keep collecting the cash every few months.

BINGO!
 

joseph11

EOG Member
Re: Be Careful...

that could be the route this thing goes, but one thing i know for sure, its going there one way or another. just a matter of time

i know everyone cant' live in vegas, but sending the offshores any significant amount of money is insane. They will all be gone eventually. just a matter of when.

J
 

RealSlimShady

EOG Dedicated
Re: Be Careful...

I dont think they will all be gone eventually, but the govt definitely has the upper hand now. If they seize enough $, they will cripple the books...even the large, well capitalized ones. Too bad these books are not listed on stock exchanges...I'd short them :)
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Re: Be Careful...

that could be the route this thing goes, but one thing i know for sure, its going there one way or another. just a matter of time

i know everyone cant' live in vegas, but sending the offshores any significant amount of money is insane. They will all be gone eventually. just a matter of when.

J

Can you give us a time frame? oij213490
 

railbird

EOG Master
Re: Be Careful...

that could be the route this thing goes, but one thing i know for sure, its going there one way or another. just a matter of time

i know everyone cant' live in vegas, but sending the offshores any significant amount of money is insane. They will all be gone eventually. just a matter of when.

J


dont think betfair is going anywhere.
 
Re: Be Careful...

that could be the route this thing goes, but one thing i know for sure, its going there one way or another. just a matter of time

i know everyone cant' live in vegas, but sending the offshores any significant amount of money is insane. They will all be gone eventually. just a matter of when.

J

You mean like how all NYC bookies will be eventually out of business too :LMAO
 
Re: Be Careful...

so western union? Someone answer what is safest way to get money out please....literally was about to withdrawl and would love an answer.
 

MrTop

EOG Master
Re: Be Careful...

NYC offices are 95% + PPH or offshore stores....... only mom and pop stores are left.

they were just about all gone by 2001

very true
 
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NYC offices are 95% + PPH or offshore stores....... only mom and pop stores are left.

they were just about all gone by 2001

very true

But as you told me Mr. Top getting a bet down through multiple outlets is easier in NYC than almost any other place other than Nevada. No matter how the business works on the other side of the counter, bettors have outlets. That is the point here, close down a CRIS or Olympic and there will still be something popping up in its place. The market demands outlets, the government can't stop the market from meeting it with supply.
 
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:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

Thanks,

I needed that....91023i2ndw;l

MR SHRINK, SIR,

Why are you laughing? Was your post an April fools joke?

If you want to post something seriously helpful for the offshore
gamblers, which is what this site is all about, apart from making
you rich, then why not post something useful and acknowledge
that Railbird made a valid point, i.e. by implication, that BETFAIR
is a solid place to make a major deposit into?

What offshores do YOU still have funds in, and how much? Tanks.
 

BodogBecky

EOG Member
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Hi everyone,

Just to set the facts straight, no funds that belong to bodog.com players have been seized recently, so the mention of Bodog in this article just not true. I personally spoke to Morris Mohawk Gaming Group, the company that now owns and operates Bodog.com, and they have never ever had any dealings with the payment processors mentioned in this article.

Thank you!
Becky
 
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MR SHRINK, SIR,

Why are you laughing? Was your post an April fools joke?

If you want to post something seriously helpful for the offshore
gamblers, which is what this site is all about, apart from making
you rich, then why not post something useful and acknowledge
that Railbird made a valid point, i.e. by implication, that BETFAIR
is a solid place to make a major deposit into?

What offshores do YOU still have funds in, and how much? Tanks.

I think you misunderstood why I was laughing...

It was because Railbird was spot on!
 
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I dont think they will all be gone eventually, but the govt definitely has the upper hand now. If they seize enough $, they will cripple the books...even the large, well capitalized ones. Too bad these books are not listed on stock exchanges...I'd short them :)

1} The USA government has already hurt, crippled or killed many books.

2} This was accomplished by making numerous USA customers to cease
betting and by influencing many books to refuse accepting USA clients.

3} The USA government has no effect on the books' customers from the
other 99+ % of cun*tries in the world.

4} Therefore the offshore books' future looks bright.
 
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