Donaghy Tout Service

[LQQKer]

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No sir, I do not condone it nor do I trivialize it and I have never made one reference that it should be. But I find your idea of punishment here to be extreme and on par with crimes that are much more serious in nature. In a different sense, Metta's actions of 2004 did as much or more damage to the league (and some peoples psyche's) as Dongahy did over the course of his tainted officiating, depending upon your perspective, as a fan or a gambler. Metta was given a pass and eventually reinstated. My point is that the punishment often does not fit the crime and there was forgiveness. Long after Donaghy is forgotten, that brawl at the Palace will play on.

If you are talking about the Pacers–Pistons brawl, again I look at that as part of the game, like a player getting injured, and out for the duration of the season; i.e. another act of God. NOT the same as bent reffing. Bent reffing makes folks suspicious that games are rigged, if rigged why attend and why have the sport? Bent reffing is on the level of pedophilia, i.e. people who can't be fixed, who've damage the natural order of the game.

 

[dinkenson]

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anyone who manipulated a game and caused me to lose is stealing from me...case closed...i think of him as someone who broke into my house and took my money....the difference is i have more respect for the burglar....

 

[pbovi]

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Paul,

If the business we may be in starts throwing out comparisons to DUIs and "walking in his shoes" to a guy throwing games we may be betting on, and then the guy suddenly becomes a radio star based on his recent notorious past history, yes, notice is taken.

As I alluded to before, our society has a tendency to forgive and in many cases reward those who have committed past indiscretions. If you need proof, look no further than Eliot Spitzer as a prime example. That said, Tim provides interesting insightful from a different prospective, but I do not think he is on his way to radio stardom.

 

[Jeff Jones]

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Spitzer got caught with a prostitute.

Commonplace drunk drivers get DUIs.

To compare those examples to an NBA referee who is fixing outcomes of professional sporting events might be a little stretch. Ya' think?

To defend this activity, particulary as a professional gambler, is bizarre.

I wish both of you well, but I may miss the shows.

 

[justintalk]

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Tim = pete rose

 

[pbovi]

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Spitzer got caught with a prostitute.

Commonplace drunk drivers get DUIs.

To compare those examples to an NBA referee who is fixing outcomes of professional sporting events might be a little stretch. Ya' think?

To defend this activity, particulary as a professional gambler, is bizarre.

I wish both of you well, but I may miss the shows.

Well Jeff I guess we just have a different perspective. Not to get off the track here but Spitzer, while holding the state of New York's highest office, and overseeing a population of 20 million was said to have spent close to 100,000 on prostitutes over a period of several years while in office. Drunk drivers endanger innocent lives. If you pose the drunk driving question to a parent of a child who was a victim, the response will differ from that of a professional gambler. Even as a gambler I place human life above all, which should in no way minimize the gravity of Tim's crime.

 

[Sportsrmylife]

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anyone who manipulated a game and caused me to lose is stealing from me...case closed...i think of him as someone who broke into my house and took my money....the difference is i have more respect for the burglar....

So you are saying that if you WON bets because of Tim's game manipulation you would return that money because it wasn't on the "up and up"? I find your comment comical coming from someone that I have to believe bet on a few games in your life that weren't "on the up and up".

Step off your soapbox on this one.

 

[dinkenson]

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i am sure i didn't bet one game he reffed...i was using the "me" to mean any loser....he is cheating and he is cheating people who do what i do.....same as a jockey fixing races...he is stealing from anyone who bets his horse...what if a casino was using crooked dice? same shit...
i like paul bovi...i think he is honest and likable....one question....you said you make very little as an honest tout who posts a 54 % winning record...does it not bother you when your friend talks about his 70% bullshit record ?

 

[flyermart74]

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I'll take a look at touts when BaBa runs one. Tim is 4296 hits behind pete by the way.

 

[groovinmahoovin]

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No denying what he did was wrong, but you people should lighten up on the guy and understand that the man is entitled to a second chance as are the many people that commit far more serious crimes and serve less time. He has and is paying his dues and will do so for the remainder of his life.

Uh, he's trying to get back into the industry that he had no business being involved in while being an NBA ref. From my understanding of gaming licenses, a person who a trivial amount, say $50, would never be able to work in a casino, or at least not until a long period of time had passed, certainly not as little time as elapsed since Donaghy's conviction.

As far my being exposed, if being a tout makes me a fraud, then I have been exposed.

You are not a fraud because you are a tout. You are a fraud because you're a dishonest tout that uses a false record and a known scam site (Vegas Insider) to sell your picks.

My record at VegasInsider is legit in spite of what some of you believe and I have consistently produced a 54 to 56.5% win rate over the long term in the 2 major sports I handicap, better or worse over shorter periods.

There is no such thing as a "legit Vegas Insider record." That they don't provide time stamps for picks is the most obvious illegitimate part, and in analysis of many handicappers I found all sorts of errors, mysteriously always benefiting the handicapper. In the previous thread, of the handful of picks you mentioned, several of them were graded at lines a subscriber had no chance of getting.

I have appeared on JK's shows on a handful of occasions and my record on those broadcasts has been right around 10-3-2, including 4-2-1 in the EOG contest.

Wow, that's amazing. 10-3-2, can I shake your hand?

Let's just say I have a handle on what I am doing and I am not throwing darts, as many cappers are guilty of.

Yet you need to sell picks at a scam site. Ok then.

Before you tell me about rogue lines.. yada yada yada...spare it. I have heard it.

And with your "yada yada yada" you discount the very reason why you are a typical Vegas Insider scamdicapper, grading plays against lines a subscriber is very unlikely to be able to get.

 

[groovinmahoovin]

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But I find your idea of punishment here to be extreme and on par with crimes that are much more serious in nature. In a different sense, Metta's actions of 2004 did as much or more damage to the league (and some peoples psyche's) as Dongahy did over the course of his tainted officiating, depending upon your perspective, as a fan or a gambler. Metta was given a pass and eventually reinstated. My point is that the punishment often does not fit the crime and there was forgiveness. Long after Donaghy is forgotten, that brawl at the Palace will play on.

LMAO. You are comparing a guy who fought back against a fan who assaulted him with a guy who fixed games for his own selfish purposes. You have to be kidding me. Metta's suspension was one of the most ridiculous overreactions in recent sport history. He should have been given a 20 game suspension, tops, as he wasn't even the instigator and was responding to an assault. Marty McSorley was given a 23 game suspension for instigating an attack on another player, hitting Brashear from behind with a hockey stick, whereas Metta got an 86 game suspension or whatever for fighting back at a guy who assaulted him first.

 

[groovinmahoovin]

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Well Jeff I guess we just have a different perspective. Not to get off the track here but Spitzer, while holding the state of New York's highest office, and overseeing a population of 20 million was said to have spent close to 100,000 on prostitutes over a period of several years while in office.

Prostitution is completely legal in certain Nevada counties. Spitzer's only crime was patronizing prostitutes in the wrong state. On a forum where almost everyone has participated in some sort of illegal gambling at some point, complaining about prostitution is nothing short of ridiculous.

Your arguments in this thread are a textbook example of strawman arguments, that "because other people commit crimes we should forgive a crooked ref and listen to what he has to say about gambling." You know you've lost the argument when even Jeff Jones starts making sense, and he's good for about one coherent post a year.

 

[pbovi]

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Prostitution is completely legal in certain Nevada counties. Spitzer's only crime was patronizing prostitutes in the wrong state. On a forum where almost everyone has participated in some sort of illegal gambling at some point, complaining about prostitution is nothing short of ridiculous.:btj:

Your arguments in this thread are a textbook example of strawman arguments, that "because other people commit crimes we should forgive a crooked ref and listen to what he has to say about gambling." You know you've lost the argument when even Jeff Jones starts making sense, and he's good for about one coherent post a year.

When you start to defend Spitzer's actions while in office and considering the likelihood he used public funds, I know you are truly a kook. When you can actually back Metta by saying he was defending himself, and comparing it to a hockey assault by a fellow player, I know that I am not dealing with a full deck. VI, been there, done that. Have fun.

 

[pbovi]

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i am sure i didn't bet one game he reffed...i was using the "me" to mean any loser....he is cheating and he is cheating people who do what i do.....same as a jockey fixing races...he is stealing from anyone who bets his horse...what if a casino was using crooked dice? same shit...
i like paul bovi...i think he is honest and likable....one question....you said you make very little as an honest tout who posts a 54 % winning record...does it not bother you when your friend talks about his 70% bullshit record ?

I will answer that by saying that since 70% is unattainable long term, it would bother me. Assuming he made the 70% comment, over what time period did he claim the 70%? Was he taken out of context? Did he claim 70% over the past month or 2, which of course is certainly possible? It is hard for me to believe that Tim would state he has or could do that over the long term, because he knows that he cannot.

 

[pbovi]

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Uh, he's trying to get back into the industry that he had no business being involved in while being an NBA ref. From my understanding of gaming licenses, a person who a trivial amount, say $50, would never be able to work in a casino, or at least not until a long period of time had passed, certainly not as little time as elapsed since Donaghy's conviction.



You are not a fraud because you are a tout. You are a fraud because you're a dishonest tout that uses a false record and a known scam site (Vegas Insider) to sell your picks.



There is no such thing as a "legit Vegas Insider record." That they don't provide time stamps for picks is the most obvious illegitimate part, and in analysis of many handicappers I found all sorts of errors, mysteriously always benefiting the handicapper. In the previous thread, of the handful of picks you mentioned, several of them were graded at lines a subscriber had no chance of getting.



Wow, that's amazing. 10-3-2, can I shake your hand?



Yet you need to sell picks at a scam site. Ok then.



And with your "yada yada yada" you discount the very reason why you are a typical Vegas Insider scamdicapper, grading plays against lines a subscriber is very unlikely to be able to get.

As far as VI goes, you are of the mindset that VI was, is, and will always be rogue, and that the affiliated cappers, past, present and future are also corrupt, as are and will be their offspring and spouses. Not sure where the hate comes from but I sense you had a bad experience of some sort, or you are just a cynic. I am fortunate in that I do not 'need' to do anything. I do it because I choose to. My goal here was to express my view point on Tim, which I have done. As such, I am finished on this thread. Carry on.

 

[bomzee]

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Superman - you just hit a nerve with me and your post on G6

Funny how NO ONE recalls how G5 ended

Lakers UP 1 late. Queens have the ball under the Lakers basket so scoring is easier than having to go 94 feet. Ball is inbounded to C-Webb. Fisher is guarding Bibby and Bibby gets the ball from Webber and then WEBBER COMMITS THE MOST BLATANT MOVING SCREEN IN NBA HISTORY! He picks off Fisher with a moving screen so obvious ANY Official who has ever worn stripes and had a whistle would have nailed Webber for the screen and if they did Lakers get the ball back still Up 1 - and win the game and are UP 3-2

But instead Bibby hits the GW jumper and the Lakers go down 3-2

So if people want to cry about G6 I have no issues with that AS LONG AS THEY REALIZE THE LAKERS GOT F*CKED IN G5! So either way we would have gotten to G7 - just that the G5 and G6 winners would have been reversed

And let's go back to G7. My gosh - never seen a team with bigger "Alligator Arms" than the Queens - all but Bibby that is. Peja missed a zillion shots as did every other Queens player and still the game went to OT

Say all ya want about G6 just say the same for G5 and that ending

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxTjOPImyts
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[Bucky]

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The thing is - since the time of Neanderthal man - pick % are not documented.

On one hand - the ref is a gambling addict and on the other hand he is selling picks. Like a drug addict that doesn't use any more but still sells to others to make a living while he is recovering from the devastation himself.

I just disagree with the morality. If the ref wants to go to Las Vegas and get rich with his inside knowledge - there does not appear to be a law against that as long as he is there and pulls the money out of his own pocket to make the bets.

Ok, turn it into a reality show - copy the tickets - step by step primer on getting rich in Vegas. Here is how I did it. I can do it again and again and again. Why would anyone sell this information if it was any good?


On a side note - that old raisin Dick Bavetta can't possibly be one of the 50 best and most competent professional professional basketball officials in the world. Let's take him to Spain, Russia, China - wherever and let him ref one game - have him graded by someone from their league and get an evaluation by someone who has no affiliation with the NBA.

 

[PerpetualCzech]

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I am fortunate in that I do not 'need' to do anything. I do it because I choose to.

Master of the strawman. When the explanation you present can be inserted as an answer to literally any other question about your conduct, you can rationalize anything you want. You're 100% fluff.

This is the second time you have been slammed by the gambling community for unethical behaviour. Both times you appear to have no problem simply ignoring it and carrying on. Your moral standards are abysmal.

 

[pbovi]

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Master of the strawman. When the explanation you present can be inserted as an answer to literally any other question about your conduct, you can rationalize anything you want. You're 100% fluff.

This is the second time you have been slammed by the gambling community for unethical behaviour. Both times you appear to have no problem simply ignoring it and carrying on. Your moral standards are abysmal.

Last post since the roaches are obviously coming out of the woodwork. The 'community' as you call it, that slams me consists basically of you, and groovinmahoovin. It's always the same tired close minded, I am always right bullshit. I feel sorry for your wife, I really do. Oh yeah, once Joey did it, but at least he appears to be somewhat open minded. Geez, I could not believe it took you this long. That is the last post. You are now free to carry on for real.

 

[PerpetualCzech]

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I don't 'need' to call you out as a morally bankrupt snake oil salesman. I do it because I choose to.

 

[pbovi]

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I don't 'need' to call you out as a morally bankrupt snake oil salesman. I do it because I choose to.

Besides being completely wrong, you are showing your ignorance in making statements with absolutely no basis. While Dink is of the opinion that you are a sharp handicapper, you obviously have some psychological issues..i.e. anger, mistrust, that should be addressed. I can steer you down the right path. There are people that can help with these types of things. Let me know where you are located and I will try to get you a capable referral. In the meantime, it is a great day here in South America and my plate is full of delicacies. Enjoy your day!

 

[PerpetualCzech]

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you obviously have some psychological issues..i.e. anger, mistrust, that should be addressed.

My issue is the gambling world getting its reputation smeared yet again with its connection with scum like Donaghy. Associating with him is an unbelievably ignorant move for you. One of these two things must be true and I can't decide which is worse for your reputation: either 1) You don't believe Donaghy is a winning bettor and you are purposefully touting worthless information or 2) You truly do believe he will win, making you a laughingstock to those who are trying to judge your gambling acumen.

Lest I be accused for jumping in the thread without adding any value, anyone who missed this last year should go back and read the blog posts Haralabos Voulgaris made about Donaghy's games. The evidence he gives is damning and removes all doubt that Donaghy is a liar. This is a particularly good one and there are a bunch of others around that same time that are also worth reading.

The gambling world should be ostracizing people like Donaghy and anyone who associates with and/or supports him.

 

[PerpetualCzech]

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The link in my previous post may not be obvious so here it is again for those interested:

http://aloneinthecorner.com/post/687025737/if-his-lips-are-moving

 

[pbovi]

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My issue is the gambling world getting its reputation smeared yet again with its connection with scum like Donaghy. Associating with him is an unbelievably ignorant move for you. One of these two things must be true and I can't decide which is worse for your reputation: either 1) You don't believe Donaghy is a winning bettor and you are purposefully touting worthless information or 2) You truly do believe he will win, making you a laughingstock to those who are trying to judge your gambling acumen.

Lest I be accused for jumping in the thread without adding any value, anyone who missed this last year should go back and read the blog posts Haralabos Voulgaris made about Donaghy's games. The evidence he gives is damning and removes all doubt that Donaghy is a liar. This is a particularly good one and there are a bunch of others around that same time that are also worth reading.

The gambling world should be ostracizing people like Donaghy and anyone who associates with and/or supports him.

I cannot resist though on this matter I actually do understand your point. Tim is his own man. What he puts out on games or otherwise claims should not be confused with my sentiments or opinions, which are independent and that of my own. I do feel what he did was reprehensible, however in my eyes he paid his dues. I certainly understand the guilt by association conundrum I faced when accepting his invite to host the show, however, on a much smaller scale, I viewed it as an opportunity the same way Kathleen Parker must have viewed her co host association with Eliot Spitzer when that show was initiated in 2010, only 2 years removed from his disgracing public office. As I stated previously, I do not use the show in any way to self promote, in fact, the original host several times referred to my affiliation with 'Vegasinsiders' (plural), which would lead one to an unrelated site. I never once bothered to correct him on air or off. I am doing it for pure enjoyment as well as the experience, at least for now.

 

[LQQKer]

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I cannot resist though on this matter I actually do understand your point. Tim is his own man. What he puts out on games or otherwise claims should not be confused with my sentiments or opinions, which are independent and that of my own. I do feel what he did was reprehensible, however in my eyes he paid his dues. I certainly understand the guilt by association conundrum I faced when accepting his invite to host the show, however, on a much smaller scale, I viewed it as an opportunity the same way Kathleen Parker must have viewed her co host association with Eliot Spitzer when that show was initiated in 2010, only 2 years removed from his disgracing public office. As I stated previously, I do not use the show in any way to self promote, in fact, the original host several times referred to my affiliation with 'Vegasinsiders' (plural), which would lead one to an unrelated site. I never once bothered to correct him on air or off. I am doing it for pure enjoyment as well as the experience, at least for now.

OK, let's get to the point: do you really believe he is posting a 70% win rate? AND if so, do you believe he really is doing it with his basketball knowledge? Thirdly, in your experience, can he continue at this record pace?

 

[pbovi]

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OK, let's get to the point: do you really believe he is posting a 70% win rate? AND if so, do you believe he really is doing it with his basketball knowledge? Thirdly, in your experience, can he continue at this record pace?

Let's be serious. Nobody can pick games at a 70% rate given that so many of the outcomes are decided by luck/human factor, which cannot be predicted with a high degree of accuracy. We all know that. In sports gambling, 60% is the measuring stick of perfection.

 

[railbird]

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Tim Donaghay is a much better person than 95% of the scumbags that post here.

 

[railbird]

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also would take Tim Donaghay opinion on an NBA game, waaaayyy before any so called "math guy".

 

[LQQKer]

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also would take Tim Donaghay opinion on an NBA game, waaaayyy before any so called "math guy".

All right, here's one scum-bag supporting another. You do NBA, Bird-breath? We ought to go head-on-head next fall once the NBA gets "unfvcked" from the ravages of the strike, and let the simple folk of EOG see the difference.

 

[Sportsrmylife]

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also would take Tim Donaghay opinion on an NBA game, waaaayyy before any so called "math guy".

railbird I do enjoy seeing your posts on here but this statement shows a complete lack of brain waves. This statement is understandable only under the influence of a 36 hour coke binge or you have been sucking on the exhaust pipe of a 1965 chevy.

If you honestly believe that Tim can beat math guys in the NBA then get in line for food stamps and government cheese.

Next tell me that Jeremy Lin is a top 10 point guard in the NBA today.

 

[Heim]

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also would take Tim Donaghay opinion on an NBA game, waaaayyy before any so called "math guy".

I've talked to Leon Wood a few times in the past when he's come to the OC.
You'd be surprised how little refs know in relation to what matters in gambling.
Oh they know who has 'hops' and all that other bullshit but on the court they have
the worst vantage point. Donaghay is no different and maybe worse. At least Leon
played the game at a high level. Donaghay, for the millionth time, is only useful
in a controlled environment.

 

[LQQKer]

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Let's be serious. Nobody can pick games at a 70% rate given that so many of the outcomes are decided by luck/human factor, which cannot be predicted with a high degree of accuracy. We all know that. In sports gambling, 60% is the measuring stick of perfection.

I have a pet theory that given perfect information, one could only hit about 70% in pro baskets, i.e. random shit happens 30% of the time if you knew everything there is to know. Maybe Donaghy can rig games to get to that point, he cannot predict at that level. Even hitting 60% "by hand" these days I think is impossible. This "old school" handicapping always turns out to be a bunch of crap. But I've seen a number of math guys hit those numbers early in the NBA season, but after Christmas, not so much.

 

[pbovi]

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I've talked to Leon Wood a few times in the past when he's come to the OC.
You'd be surprised how little refs know in relation to what matters in gambling.
Oh they know who has 'hops' and all that other bullshit but on the court they have
the worst vantage point. Donaghay is no different and maybe worse. At least Leon
played the game at a high level. Donaghay, for the millionth time, is only useful
in a controlled environment.

Where does Leon hang out in the OC...does he frequent Javiers?

 

[PerpetualCzech]

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Let's be serious. Nobody can pick games at a 70% rate given that so many of the outcomes are decided by luck/human factor, which cannot be predicted with a high degree of accuracy. We all know that. In sports gambling, 60% is the measuring stick of perfection.

Way to dodge the question. Never mind the LOL assertion that "60% is the measuring stick of perfection", which can be the subject of a thread all by itself, do you believe that Donaghy is a winning sports bettor?

 

[pbovi]

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Way to dodge the question. Never mind the LOL assertion that "60% is the measuring stick of perfection", which can be the subject of a thread all by itself, do you believe that Donaghy is a winning sports bettor?

What question did I dodge...:+clueless the man asked me if I thought he could hit 70%...I gave him the answer which was 'no' as in 'Nobody can.' In answer to your question, if your interpretation of a winning sports bettor is >52.5%, the answer is most expubidantly 'yes'.

 

[Heim]

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Where does Leon hang out in the OC...does he frequent Javiers?

I don't know about Javiers......Leon usually goes home (Fullerton) where he can be the 'man' . He's usually at the 'Stadium' sports bar by the junior college. btw you'll never get a comment from him re Tim. I've asked...he won't talk about it.

 

[railbird]

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anyone who manipulated a game and caused me to lose is stealing from me...case closed...i think of him as someone who broke into my house and took my money....the difference is i have more respect for the burglar....

betting on a game and manipulating a game is 2 different things.

 

[pbovi]

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I don't know about Javiers......Leon usually goes home (Fullerton) where he can be the 'man' . He's usually at the 'Stadium' sports bar by the junior college. btw you'll never get a comment from him re Tim. I've asked...he won't talk about it.

Yes, the seared ahi salad is off the hook

 

[railbird]

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I've talked to Leon Wood a few times in the past when he's come to the OC.
You'd be surprised how little refs know in relation to what matters in gambling.
Oh they know who has 'hops' and all that other bullshit but on the court they have
the worst vantage point. Donaghay is no different and maybe worse. At least Leon
played the game at a high level. Donaghay, for the millionth time, is only useful
in a controlled environment.

maybe you havent read Tims blogs the last 2 years. He hit about 90% of nba playoff games, why? So what he doesnt jump like Leon Wood?

 

[LQQKer]

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maybe you havent read Tims blogs the last 2 years. He hit about 90% of nba playoff games, why? So what he doesnt jump like Leon Wood?

If I'm hitting at 90%, why tout? Bet 'em up. You certainly don't need to sell to losers like us at that rate.