Royal pays another "Phony" claim!

JC

JC

EOG Veteran
http://www.sbrforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2
(link with Shrink's permission)

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Congratulations to Bet Royal for only taking five weeks to pay the man. Even if the bank information was screwed up at first, which should have been rapidly taken care of, you are still taking a solid two plus weeks.

But wait, these are all stories made up by ghosts and extortionists. You are paying this stranger out of the goodness of your heart.

Keep robbing Peter to pay Paul (and Tej Kohli). You guys are the masters of that game.

When are you going to admit you are broke? You probably don't even know what that means. Let me explain, it means you can't pay EVERY customer out and still have $1 for yourself. To you folks, as long as there are deposits coming in, you consider yourselves solvent. (One step above "I have checks in my checkbook so I must have money.") In the old days they called it a Ponzi scheme, ask Tej, he knows what they are.

This has been a Public Service Announcement.
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

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There are more than liekly half truths on all sides here. Unfrtunately for people that really want to know, the fourm politics makes everything a big shade of grey, and there is no black and white.

So people believe what they will ,and take their chances. If people are in fact making stuff up (which isn't THAT ridiculous), they are as much to blame for people getting stiffed as the guys that "protect" the scum books.

I believe "the boy who cried wolf" would be a good read for some people in here.
 
JC

JC

EOG Veteran
wantitall4moi said:
There are more than liekly half truths on all sides here. Unfrtunately for people that really want to know, the fourm politics makes everything a big shade of grey, and there is no black and white.
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Actually, there is black and white in many cases. It has nothing to do with forum politics. The man in the thread has been waiting since 10/28 to be paid. He is getting paid now. What took so long? What does it have to do with forum politics?

Here is his original thread:

http://www.sbrforum.com/showthread.php?t=2993

And for those of you who think it was just a bank wire problem, it took him a month to get his check:

http://www.sbrforum.com/showthread.php?p=32732
 
Chuck Sims

Chuck Sims

EOG Dedicated
Forum politics? Come on, get real. Tej is the biggest swindler the off-shore gambling industry has ever seen.

Royal was an advertiser at The RX until so many slow pay complaints forced them to take the ad banner down.
The slow pay complaints have only increased.

SHRINK was offered big money by Royal to advertise here. They were turned down.

Some sites do not give a damn about the bettors, and are only interested in lining their pockets.
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

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Ok then what about sportsbook?

Where is this long awaited "we will wait and see and get back to you?"

Some are worse than others for sure, but Sportsbooks history is just as well documented, and by a lot less biased sources (as in every forum on the net).

Tej this and Tej that half the guys that talked about him wouldn't recognize the guy if he was screwing their wife.

Are there problems there. Maybe, but there are problems everywhere else also. The intensity or extremity of the circumstances doesn't make one place any worse than any other. ANY problem is a PROBLEM.


So when places continually attack one place for doing something, and completely ignore instances at another place (that happens to pay them) that is definately foum politics, and the grey area of which I speak.

I ahve been waiting for some kind of comment, any comment, on the Sportbook.com issue. Gave the "holiday weekend" stay of exectution, gave t a couple more days to see what is happening. But nothing.

Diversion and constant bashing and piling on of Royal is SOOOOO frigging easy. But it is all that is needed to keep people occupied.

All I know is that things haven't been completely solved, and issues still remain,(with sportsbook.com), yet I continue to see whatsherface proudy displayed here for me to see whenever I log on.

And still no comment.

Siding with a team that backs North Korea is no better than siding with a team that back Al Qaeda. One side just doesn't have the same reputation, but niether one is a team you really want to be on.
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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wantitall4moi,

I don't believe sportsbook.com and royal are in the same league like you suggest...

We are definitely doing our part considering the fact that none of the gamblers who claim to have issues have ever contacted us..

I have been talking with ROBERTO DAILY, as he just visited with sportsbook.com IN CR the other day and when we are done with our investigation, I'll be happy to share with you the results...

In he meantime, if you or any gambler wants to play at sportsbook.com, I'll be willing to back them up for up to 5k per account...

THE SHRINK
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

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THE SHRINK said:
wantitall4moi,

We are definitely doing our part considering the fact that none of the gamblers who claim to have issues have ever contacted us..



THE SHRINK
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(Taken out of context, but the meaning is clear and still in original form).

That sounds an awful lot like every other guy(forum owner) that gets lambasted on the competing fourms that has people paying them a platinum fee to advertise here.

If you hadn't come out with the holyier than thou speech, it might be a little different.

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142

But since you were so adament, and continued to start threads like these...

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=484

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2363

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6080

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6381

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7045

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7769

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9525(my personal favorite)

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9710

Basically to somehow compare and contrast the "good" places that advertise here, with the "evil" places that advertise elsewhere. Or simply to get people to cingratulate you for only "allowing" the best of the best to advertise here, or to remind us that others have tried and don't make the grade...blah blah blah.

Like I said if you hadn't been continually pounding all this stuff in I woulnd't say a word.

Even when you talk about them you talk about them in the third person, and you have never said what they are or are not accusedof here. Simpley that "issues" have arisen, and OTHERS ar working on them. Why not you?

I believe there s a post above that is addressed to some fictional military figure where you criticize him for doing much the same thing.

Everything is EASY when it IS easy, but when tests and trials take place, that is when the TRUE fiber and CHARACTER of people are displayed. There is more than enough evidence of how badly most have failed when faced with such hurdles, and nary a one where someone did something that was for the good of all, and sacrificed something personally.

This may or may not have been one of those times, but due to what I cite above, it doesn't appear that anything is taking place above and beyond the callof duty. Simpley the same old lipservice one has grwon to know, love, and expect from people taking money from these places.
 
Chuck Sims

Chuck Sims

EOG Dedicated
wantitall4moi, you have a good point about sportsbook.com.

Why do you say "maybe" about problems with Royal Sports? Considering only a small portion of bettors know about these watchdog sites, its astounding that so many people have slow pay issues with Royal.

The owner Nevtej Kohli has owned numerous scam books, like Pyramid, Lucky's, ScoreSportsbook...etc. The common theme being, mass e-mails, big bonuses, stall pay, and then padlock the doors and run with the cash. Tej took the stolen money to buy control of Royal Sports. Royal, once a respected sportsbook is now in corrupt hands.
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

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Chuck Sims said:
wantitall4moi, you have a good point about sportsbook.com.

Why do you say "maybe" about problems with Royal Sports? Considering only a small portion of bettors know about these watchdog sites, its astounding that so many people have slow pay issues with Royal.

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You make my point for me. I believe some of them are made up by people just to pile on or continue to bash a place that probably does hae issues.

for instance that post that was/is on here about Royal using personal banking information. That is such bullshit it isn't even funny. But since it is about Royal people figure it is probably true.

It is pathetic in some ways.

I have been around these boards a long time, and I believe half of what I see with my own eyes, and zero percent of what I read.
 
TOW

TOW

EOG Enthusiast
Wanti,

As Ken mentioned we've been in touch on daily basis on the sportsbook.com situation. Most pending disputes have been solved to players' satisfaction. A couple are still pending since internal investigations have not yet reached completion.

Sportsbook.com management acknowledges that their customer service has room for improvement. We have discussed several issues and, most important, opened a permanent line of communication.

I shall add that Ken has been instrumental in this process. Our sites may differ in content and phylosophies but we are one single family when it comes to players assistance and also when it comes to cooperating with books that show the will to listen and improve the quality of service they provide players.

As far as Royal is concerned I bumped into their top management and owners this morning while in Oficentro.

We will sit down together tomorrow morning and go over the many issues that players, agents, vendors and employees have raised since the move to Costa Rica.

I'll report about this meeting later tomorrow or Saturday.
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

1
wantitall4moi said:
(Taken out of context, but the meaning is clear and still in original form).

That sounds an awful lot like every other guy(forum owner) that gets lambasted on the competing fourms that has people paying them a platinum fee to advertise here.

If you hadn't come out with the holyier than thou speech, it might be a little different.

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142

But since you were so adament, and continued to start threads like these...

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=484

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2363

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6080

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6381

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7045

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7769

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9525(my personal favorite)

http://www.eog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9710

Basically to somehow compare and contrast the "good" places that advertise here, with the "evil" places that advertise elsewhere. Or simply to get people to cingratulate you for only "allowing" the best of the best to advertise here, or to remind us that others have tried and don't make the grade...blah blah blah.

Like I said if you hadn't been continually pounding all this stuff in I woulnd't say a word.

Even when you talk about them you talk about them in the third person, and you have never said what they are or are not accusedof here. Simpley that "issues" have arisen, and OTHERS ar working on them. Why not you?

I believe there s a post above that is addressed to some fictional military figure where you criticize him for doing much the same thing.

Everything is EASY when it IS easy, but when tests and trials take place, that is when the TRUE fiber and CHARACTER of people are displayed. There is more than enough evidence of how badly most have failed when faced with such hurdles, and nary a one where someone did something that was for the good of all, and sacrificed something personally.

This may or may not have been one of those times, but due to what I cite above, it doesn't appear that anything is taking place above and beyond the callof duty. Simpley the same old lipservice one has grwon to know, love, and expect from people taking money from these places.
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wantitall4moi,

I have made plenty of mistakes, and somehow I made it to where I am today (wherever that is) in spite of myself. The Sports Books on this site did not ask to be here, as is the customary way that advertising is done. Rather, I called all of them up and spoke to them quite extensively before chosing the ones that are here. In the past, I let GREED interfere with my judgement. I am hoping not to make that same mistake again.

THE SHRINK
 
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SBR_John

SBR_John

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wantitall4moi,

....... In the past, I let GREED interfere with my judgement. I am hoping not to make that same mistake again.

THE SHRINK
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Long term you will not only be more sucessful but you will have the satisfaction to know that you recommended the best sportsbooks to the many strangers that trust your sportsbook recommendations.

These are businesses that are out to make a profit. But we don't have to promote every tej, mark and Charlie...or is it tom, dick and harry? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
Almost without exception the sites that have promoted 2nd tier books have under grown the sites that have refused those same 2nd tier books. I see that continuing.
 
J

Joe

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wanti,

Good points.

But, if those owed are being paid and there are no new complaints surfacing, that should be considered a good sign, no?

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TOW,

"As far as Royal is concerned I bumped into their top management and owners this morning while in Oficentro.

We will sit down together tomorrow morning and go over the many issues that players, agents, vendors and employees have raised since the move to Costa Rica.

I'll report about this meeting later tomorrow or Saturday."

It has been nice knowing you...
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

2
I guess if they are getting paid it is OK. But we still do not know what is going on. Does Sportsbook.dom not have the money and is either making payments, or paying of on pennies on the dollar? Are the players involved naive so as to think that ANY payment is good enough? As in simpley gettig back their post up money.

Call me a skeptic, a cynic, whatever. But "the usual suspects" are still the ones involved. but since they are the "best" that is out there we have to live withit and go on.

Credibility is the main issue IMO. There has always been a lot of selective opinions on everyone's account in a lot of cases. Also who onehires, and alligns themselves with is another issue.

When so called watch dogs, have personal agendas against, and certain friendships/partnerships WITH other "watchdog"/sports portal owners, credibilty has to be taken with a grain of salt. Again I may be a skeptic and a cynic, but I am also a realist.

Also how many players were there? I thought there were only two or three. TOW you make it ound like you have already helped several out and are still looking at more. So how deep does this "issue" run?

Shrink it isn't personal, I am as unbiased as the next guy. But I have also been around long enough to know what happened in the past. And I am not nearly as judgemental as others outt here. Probably because didn't get burned or huurt by some of the stuff you have done. This case isn't that extreme, but still there are issues with that book, no matter what people want to say, reoprt, attest to.

They either don't have enoug money to pay winners, are quick triggered in closing ac****s they think are bonus gouging, or aren't allowing people to play at sister books from the same computer or something. There could be more. But this would be speculation, and while I do like to speculate sometimes, it is hard here when no one is letting people know what is really going on.

Generally there is an on going dialogue with some specifics. We have even seen times where players emails, accounts activity, and chats have been posted.

Even when Olympic was being "judged" it was all over the place. Really wierd that his has been so behind the scenes is all.

If THESE people get paid the GREAT. But if in doing so this place is WEAKENED, then how can continued support for them be tolerated? We have seen that before too. A place is broke, people pump it up and continue to pump it up to death, so that players/posters/portal owners that know and are owed their "hush money" with all the new post up funds. The come out later when they go belly up and apologize for it,and say you will never let it happen again, and that you are sorry, and didn't know how extreme the situation was.

Blah Blah Blah Bla Blah.

Seen it before, it gets old after awhile. Like I said, this may or may not be the case here. But way to much is happeneing to keep this thing OFF the boards, until everyone gets piad, and people cancome in and pat themselves on the back for "getting the job done".
 
dirty

dirty

EOG Master
SBR_John said:
Long term you will not only be more sucessful but you will have the satisfaction to know that you recommended the best sportsbooks to the many strangers that trust your sportsbook recommendations.

These are businesses that are out to make a profit. But we don't have to promote every tej, mark and Charlie...or is it tom, dick and harry? <O:p></O:p>
Almost without exception the sites that have promoted 2nd tier books have under grown the sites that have refused those same 2nd tier books. I see that continuing.
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Whole Heartedly Agree....No reason to sell yourself out...
 
C

Caliente

Banned
Wantitall4moi, you are wrong. I will have the proof in 5-7 days. I am waiting on a letter from BofA stating that on July 29, someone other than myself called in from a 1-800 number and changed all my bank info. This 1-800 number happens to match with my cell records. About 100 calls from this 1-800 number in a row on my cell bill. Royal admitted to harassing me by crank calling me on my cell and at home. If you need, I can prove to you that I had both numbers changed due to this harassment. Kevin admittd to me that some guy named Jeff in customer service was doing the crank calling. I didnt ask Kevin if Royal put him up to it. I dont know if Royal did this with my account or if some employee did it on their own. Im not claiming that Royal went in there and stole money from my account. Im telling it like it is. Royal called in to the banking center and pretended to be me. They simply changed my mailing address and phone number using everything they had on me. Since I sent Royal many wires, they had just about everything. Why you doubt this I have no idea. Unless you doubt the crank calls with threatening messages, I dont see why you would doubt this. Royal was pissed and still is pissed that I continue to keep Royal on the top of the page with negative info about them. Based on what they did to me, I feel they deserve it. I will never stop until I feel Royal is sorry for what they did to me. Before you say something stupid like I failed the lie detector, look at the facts again. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ROYAL HAS STIFFED ME ON TWO OCCASSIONS. First, back in 2000. Again last year. This leads me to believe that each and every report of Royal lying and cheating a player is probably true. I think Royal went in to my bank account simply to make me feel vulnerable. To send me a message. If you think that I have changed both of my phone numbers and changed my bank account number just to try and convince people on this forum that Royal is a total fuckin scam operation, I can only say that I wouldnt need to do all that to prove what is already common knowledge.
 
Cobbler

Cobbler

EOG Addicted
Basher, you have a return key. If you use it once in a while, people might actually read your rant.
 
J

Joe

2
"I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ROYAL HAS STIFFED ME ON TWO OCCASSIONS. First, back in 2000. Again last year."

Lie detector test be damned... this is all the evidence one needs...
 
Chuck Sims

Chuck Sims

EOG Dedicated
What amazes me is how anyone in the slightest can defend Royal. We are not talking about the Royal of years ago. Its Nevtej Kohli, the convicted swindler who has stolen millions from fellow sportsbettors that is now in control. Come on people, take a stand.
 
BETenomics

BETenomics

2
Chuck Sims said:
What amazes me is how anyone in the slightest can defend Royal. We are not talking about the Royal of years ago. Its Nevtej Kohli, the convicted swindler who has stolen millions from fellow sportsbettors that is now in control. Come on people, take a stand.
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nothing anyone can do chuck if people keep sending the loot

like unicef the fucking problem is too big
 
C

Caliente

Banned
Joe, I think you missed out on some important facts. The test I failed had nothing to do with whether or not Royal lied and cheated me. This was something that Royal admitted to. Not disputable. I never blame a person for being ignorant.
 
J

Joe

2
Basher,

You miss my point.

Anyone stupid enough to bet into a book that had already stolen from them has no right to complain when they do it again.
 
C

Caliente

Banned
Ignorance can be very embarassing Joe! Fact: Back in 2000 I was slow paid by Royal.That does not equal being ripped off. Fact: When I re-upped with Royal again last year, I was reassured by Jim, the guy with zero integrity at OSGA, that Royal was under new ownership and that my money would be safe. Fact: To this day Jim at OSGA still refers guys to Royal and Betus/Omni. Now to a guy that uses the net to place his bets and uses the net to be a forum guy, they will say I didnt do my homework. But being that I never placed a bet on the computer in my life and never went to the forums, I thought I had done my homework by calling OSGA and getting the go ahead. Even if I had come to the forums, maybe I would have ran across some dope like JJ or Mvibski or Redeye and they would have told me that Royal was great, a B as JJ would say. So I would have went to Royal anyways. If this says anything I think it shows how important it is to keep the word out on these stiff books. No matter how annoyed people may get, it may save someone from experiencing the wrath of Betus or Royal.
 
Chuck Sims

Chuck Sims

EOG Dedicated
Jim at OSGA has no shame. Tells people that Royal is safe under new ownership. That new ownership happens to be the biggest swindler the off-shore gambling industry has ever seen, Nevtej Kohli.
 
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