mr merlin
EOG Master
in two weeks the whole nation will be swimming in PPE as state after state has less needs day after day.
Your Level of Concern About the Coronavirus......on a scale of 1-10
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Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
by and large I only see people talking first order cause and effect.
social distancing--->death rates
social distancing--> economical crash
People have studied the 1918 spanish flu economical outcomes for the big cities that quarantined and those that did not do so to the same extent.
the cities with the strictist measures, actually had economies bounce back faster and more robustly.
the 2nd and 3rd and 4th order effects of having a higher peak on many geographical locations goes well beyond the death counts. Many rural hospitals will close, Many small county and municipal budgets could crash so drastically that complete collapse is inevitable.
its a very complex, interwoven, intricate set of dominoes lined up. But most of us are only looking at the first domino in two options. I don't understand the complext, interwoven, covoluated rows and lines of dominos. But I think we would all do well to understand they exist.
social distancing--->death rates
social distancing--> economical crash
People have studied the 1918 spanish flu economical outcomes for the big cities that quarantined and those that did not do so to the same extent.
the cities with the strictist measures, actually had economies bounce back faster and more robustly.
the 2nd and 3rd and 4th order effects of having a higher peak on many geographical locations goes well beyond the death counts. Many rural hospitals will close, Many small county and municipal budgets could crash so drastically that complete collapse is inevitable.
its a very complex, interwoven, intricate set of dominoes lined up. But most of us are only looking at the first domino in two options. I don't understand the complext, interwoven, covoluated rows and lines of dominos. But I think we would all do well to understand they exist.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
TonyMar
EOG Dedicated
as we’ll be should...He has taken all of the blame for something he didn’t cause..
so if the numbers end up at 60,000,...
Then he should definitely credit his team for doing a good job.
TonyMar
EOG Dedicated
IL, almost all Chicago area.
did you see the horseshit the mayor of Chicago pulled?
Crazy Pete
EOG Addicted
Covid19 is not the Lawrence Taylor (in his prime) of coronaviruses. It’s maybe an above average starter.
We’ve dealt with coronaviruses before, like H1N1.
% wise, fatality rates were well below 1%. Decent chance at under 1/10 of 1%.
Anyway, teams facing Lawrence Taylor didn’t cower & surrender the game AND the season.
Then next season... he’s still there! Doh!
We’ve dealt with coronaviruses before, like H1N1.
% wise, fatality rates were well below 1%. Decent chance at under 1/10 of 1%.
Anyway, teams facing Lawrence Taylor didn’t cower & surrender the game AND the season.
Then next season... he’s still there! Doh!
TonyMar
EOG Dedicated
This is yet anotherclassic ‘elitist politico slime bag’...
just remember she shut down the parks, golf courses, lake front,...
she closed everything to everyone.
Except herself...
Left-wing Chicago mayor gets testy after being called out for haircut when it's banned for everybody else: 'I'm the public face of this city'
Leftist leaders apparently live by their own set of rules
Democratic Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said late last month that the growing coronavirus outbreak "is deadly serious. And we have to take it seriously, all of us.
"I personally been concerned about what I've seen in our parks, people playing basketball," she added during her news conference. "And what I've seen along our lakefront, way too many people gathering like it's just another day. This is not just another day."
To that end, city officials warned that social distancing violators could be fined $500 and then could be arrested.
Do as I say, not as I do
We've seen left-wing elected officials getting quite perturbed over citizens failing to recognize their newfound power, resulting in actions and tones that seem to be coming from exasperated parents as opposed to governors and mayors.
Well, add Lightfoot's name to the list — and she's appearing to invoke the famously parental maxim "do as I say, not as I do" to boot.
See, one of Illinois' social distancing stipulations, like other states operating in this way, is that nonessential businesses are supposed to be shut down. Among them are barber shops and hair salons, WBBM-TV reported.
But Lightfoot got a haircut over the weekend — and defended doing so.
"I am practicing social distancing," she said Monday, the station noted. "The woman who cut my hair had a mask and gloves on. So ... I'm practicing what I'm preaching ... we are trying to do everything we can to emphasize the messages around social distancing, washing your hands, staying at home. But as [an] elected official and the public face of the city, I need to make sure that I am out there and visible through this crisis."
WBBM's report included an image of Cashmere Neal's Facebook post thanking Lightfoot for letting her cut her hair Sunday — and as opposed to a safe social distance of six feet, it appears the pair are standing just inches apart:
A tad testy, aren't we?
The Chicago Tribune reported that when Lightfoot was asked a follow-up question about the issue — that included a reference to a public service announcement in which she says "getting your roots done is not essential" — the mayor became "visibly annoyed."
"I'm the public face of this city. I'm on national media, and I'm out in the public eye,"
Lightfoot added, according to the paper. "I'm a person who, I take my personal hygiene very seriously. As I said, I felt like I needed to have a haircut. I'm not able to do that myself, so I got a haircut. You want to talk more about that?"
Fallout
Socialist Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa — a frequent Lightfoot critic — blasted the mayor's explanation for the haircut, the Tribune said.
"She is under no obligation to look good on national TV. She is under no obligation to book national interviews. But she is under an obligation to follow and promote social distancing in order to save lives," Ramirez-Rosa tweeted. "This is a bad example for our city."
just remember she shut down the parks, golf courses, lake front,...
she closed everything to everyone.
Except herself...
Left-wing Chicago mayor gets testy after being called out for haircut when it's banned for everybody else: 'I'm the public face of this city'
Leftist leaders apparently live by their own set of rules
Democratic Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said late last month that the growing coronavirus outbreak "is deadly serious. And we have to take it seriously, all of us.
"I personally been concerned about what I've seen in our parks, people playing basketball," she added during her news conference. "And what I've seen along our lakefront, way too many people gathering like it's just another day. This is not just another day."
To that end, city officials warned that social distancing violators could be fined $500 and then could be arrested.
Do as I say, not as I do
We've seen left-wing elected officials getting quite perturbed over citizens failing to recognize their newfound power, resulting in actions and tones that seem to be coming from exasperated parents as opposed to governors and mayors.
Well, add Lightfoot's name to the list — and she's appearing to invoke the famously parental maxim "do as I say, not as I do" to boot.
See, one of Illinois' social distancing stipulations, like other states operating in this way, is that nonessential businesses are supposed to be shut down. Among them are barber shops and hair salons, WBBM-TV reported.
But Lightfoot got a haircut over the weekend — and defended doing so.
"I am practicing social distancing," she said Monday, the station noted. "The woman who cut my hair had a mask and gloves on. So ... I'm practicing what I'm preaching ... we are trying to do everything we can to emphasize the messages around social distancing, washing your hands, staying at home. But as [an] elected official and the public face of the city, I need to make sure that I am out there and visible through this crisis."
WBBM's report included an image of Cashmere Neal's Facebook post thanking Lightfoot for letting her cut her hair Sunday — and as opposed to a safe social distance of six feet, it appears the pair are standing just inches apart:
A tad testy, aren't we?
The Chicago Tribune reported that when Lightfoot was asked a follow-up question about the issue — that included a reference to a public service announcement in which she says "getting your roots done is not essential" — the mayor became "visibly annoyed."
"I'm the public face of this city. I'm on national media, and I'm out in the public eye,"
Lightfoot added, according to the paper. "I'm a person who, I take my personal hygiene very seriously. As I said, I felt like I needed to have a haircut. I'm not able to do that myself, so I got a haircut. You want to talk more about that?"
Fallout
Socialist Alderman Carlos Ramirez-Rosa — a frequent Lightfoot critic — blasted the mayor's explanation for the haircut, the Tribune said.
"She is under no obligation to look good on national TV. She is under no obligation to book national interviews. But she is under an obligation to follow and promote social distancing in order to save lives," Ramirez-Rosa tweeted. "This is a bad example for our city."
We need more talk about the techniques we will use to open things up. IF done smartly we could already be people going back to work. Only thing I hear is talk about WHEN.
What about HOW?
why are we so far behind the asian countries in this....
They've been using huge databases and phone apps.
We need to accelerate testing and also Anti-body testing to get cleared people from the immune herd, back into the system.
Wuhan is opening and they are being cautious and smart with Phone Apps that track everyone's health/movement. I"m all for giving up a bit of privacy to get us moving smartly and quciker. You can't just do quicker, without the smart though.
As China lifts its coronavirus lockdowns, authorities are using a color-coded health system to dictate where citizens can go. Here's how it works.
Sophia Ankel
22 hours ago
A composite image of a smartphone screen showing a green pass, and a man scanning a QR code at a Wuhan subway station on April 1, 2020.
This should frighten everyone in this country. The civil liberties they took away from us after 9/11 are probably going to be minuscule compared to what is placed upon this country’s citizens from this crisis.
The crazy thing will be most citizens will welcome the severe restrictions fooled into thinking its keeping us healthier and safer
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
He would also have to walk back his condemnation of the 09 Administrations "failure" of allowing 12500 deaths over an 18 month period to do so though.
I really wish he and others hadn't made that false equivalency stance early on in this. I was cringing as he did it, as there was very little upside to that game.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
yeah the metaphor isn't cower and surrender.
the metaphor is have a gameplan and implement it, vs letting him run wild.
yes we've had H1N1 and still do. it was not a coronavirus
if it was a human flu virus, of which we already have natural antibodies and I believe we had a vaccine in 6 months
like my previous statement, if people want to equate Covid19 with H1N1 you have to give alot of credit to the previous administration for coming up with a vaccine in 6 months and keeping the total death toll over an 18 month period lower than Covid19 in a 5 week period.
Crazy Pete
EOG Addicted
I’m not anti-Fauci, but this is deceptiveness.
It’s literally a non-falsifiable statement.
And most Americans fall for it.
If we actually ARE overreacting, it will be justified by saying “AHA! It SEEMS like we’re overreacting, so we’re really just doing it right!”
Any and all Draconian, cure-worse-than-the-disease measures are justified by this faulty logic.
If shutting down the WHOLE COUNTRY because of a run-of-the-mill coronavirus is NOT an overreaction, then what IS an overreaction?!?
No one predicted this. Most predicted a lot more.
mr merlin
EOG Master
Wow, an actual well thought out comment from you heisi, perhaps there is hope?
people need to start resisting these measures, 10,000 people standing on the steps of some capital would be a good start.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Look at it this way. Michigan is a disaster right now - but it’s mostly Detroit and two adjacent counties. I’m 200 miles from the danger zone, so we are in the clear. Not really though. A few days after Mich closed down, Illinois closes down. Instead of staying in Chicago, they drive to Wisc and Michigan to get away. Now they are moving the virus. I’m sure people in the twin cities area did the same thing, went up to upper Minn. (can’t blame anyone who did it either).
unfortunately this is why you have to do it by states.
boston massacre
EOG Master
boston massacre
EOG Master
kane
EOG master
The reason why the actual number of deaths look like they'll be much less than what was predicted, is due to how many Americans took the social distancing seriously, the estimated death count was based on 50% of people staying home, not sure what the actual percentage is, but it's higher than 50, a lot of lives are being saved by social distancing
mr merlin
EOG Master
yea, there is some of that here, northern counties asked cabin owners not to come up, my neighbor across the street goes up to their cabin every weekend. And fishing is going to start, and is still being encouraged.
I dont think that matters the way things are now, for one thing metro visitors typically dont socialize that much with locals, especially so since restaurants and bars, etc are closed.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
There was a good feature on BBC about this. Obviously the Chinese government will use this to track its citizens in everyday life.
Im not talking that much about the current situation of social distancing as much as the measures that I fear will follow after this wave/crisis is believed to have concluded.
mr merlin
EOG Master
They run models based on those very factors, they have no illusions to perfection, most models are run at either 50 or 75% acceptance. Those were already baked in, the fact is they were way off, not even close actually,
Trump needs to not extend the measures past may 1st, and everything should be opened up by june 1st, including the bars, rest, casino's, etc.
Yep-The introduction of “smart cities” are on their way
boston massacre
EOG Master
As the Democrats Tout a SEXUAL PREDATOR For President.
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/31/tara_reade_joe_biden_sexual_assault
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/31/tara_reade_joe_biden_sexual_assault
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Michigan has banned short term rentals because of it.
mr merlin
EOG Master
I agree 100%, I'm seeing stupid ass comments like "well, people that have immunity can go back to work, etc" what the fuck does that mean? if you didn't get sick you're a prisoner in your house forever?
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
I’ll have to find the feature, but here is another one for Europe - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-52189551
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
What if you’re a carrier?
mr merlin
EOG Master
There are no carriers, some people dont show symptoms, but they would resolve in a similar timeframe to that of the sick(quicker actually). 2-3 weeks after getting infected they would be like anyone else.
This virus is never going away, we could eliminate every single infection in the US but then people will fly in with it. planes are going to fly again. We have no choice but to live with it
Sol Diablo
House of Heat
No reason to rip on the elderly who are retired. Merle worked hard his entire adult life to earn the retirement. Not everyone needs to hold a job until they day they take their last gasp of air. Some work hard so they can somewhat relax during the golden years.
Speaking of flying.....let’s say they come out with an immunization in a year or so. This country can’t force people to receive an immunization but the WHO could force people who board planes to show verification of immunization.
cheapseats
EOG Master
I hear the rotgutcrats are demanding data on 19 and blacks, looking to once again make a virus racist.
That's what Bill Gates wants.
100% agree
Walmart, Costco, Target are banned from selling 'nonessential' items such as clothing and electronics in parts of the US
1369 deaths
779 NY
272 NJ
MI hasn't checked in yet.
779 NY
272 NJ
MI hasn't checked in yet.
628 Spain
542 Italy
getting better for both.
542 Italy
getting better for both.
36 states under 10 deaths. Counted MI and IL as going over since they haven't checked in.
26 states 1 or 0.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
And I respect that. There is a prevalent belief that things have to get going now (all from trump people), and a lot of them are from people who are retired. I have had one day off in the last month, much of it trying to get product I don’t want to inconvenience these people in everyday life any more than it already is. Things will get back to normal when the virus says so. Many don’t want to hear that, but it’s the reality. Do I like losing a $2-300 cash side job every weekend? I would like to retire someday also.
Rant over.