Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
It is a shame that baseball greats pass away before they are inducted into the Hall…thank God that Jim Kaat is still alive to enjoy his moment in the sun…
Baseball Hall Of Fame….
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FairWarning
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Yes, started in 59. He was a great fielding pitcher.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Same with Bill Mazerowski….
No doubt.
The Hall needs a tighter circle.
Or how about this philosophy: Ignore the Baseball Hall of Fame's 300-plus entrants and focus solely on the 57 first-ballot Hall of Famers.
Screw Andrews
EOG Dedicated
At least Pete seems ok with telling them to fuck off.....he knows everyone knows he was top 5 all time
Agree. Hall of Very Good. Really only played 11 full seasons. If you are a hitter and don't play 15 years, you have to be mercurial. Albert Belle didn't play a ton of years and had better numbers, albeit with "extra help".
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One quality overlooked by Hall-of-Fame voters is FAME.
Parker belongs in the HOF
Truly membership is not a level playing field. Popular Phil Rizzuto is another questionable member of the Hall of Fame. No clear rules on criteria-what are they? - we know the great players who we assume juiced aren't "allowed" in or voted in or worthy of membership. No Pete and no Barry with the stats they have.
Don Eagleston
EOG Addicted
If you don't play in NY, very difficult to get in. James Mitchener had to beg to get Robin Roberts in. Richie Ashburn every bit as good as Duke Snider, but different kind of player. Gil Hodges? Meh. Don Newcombe should have gone in ahead of him.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
I think they may have all been together for two years, and that was at the beginning of Blylevens career. Back in the 60’s, they also had recently deceased Jim Grant - a heck of a pitcher also.
a real good feature on Baseball Reference is similarity scores. It takes Dave Parker and finds the player closest to him for each year of his career. It’s a great indicator of HOF-worthiness.
A well-known subsection of the HOF, the Hall of Meh.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
First ballot…
Could be
Statistically absolutely
but
though never caught and always denied
the he juiced rumors followed Albert -
Quite a few non members linked and or rumored to steroids got snubbed and have very worthy stats
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Indeed.
And if you pause more than a few seconds when hearing a name, then the answer is NO.
A First Ballot Hall of Famer is a player who is elected to the Hall of Fame on his first appearance on the BBWAA ballot. The term has become known as a way to symbolize certain Hall of Famers and active players as above the rest. As for voting patterns, the movement for first ballot Hall of Famers did not really begin until the late 1980s. From 1989 to 1995 there was at least one first ballot Hall of Famer elected every year. Many of the highest voting percentages have come to first ballot players.
Just as noticeable are the players who are not on the list. Joe DiMaggio, Jimmie Foxx, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford, Cy Young, Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie, Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews, Roy Campanella and Harmon Killebrew all had to wait until at least their second ballot to be elected.
Source: Baseball Reference
Just as noticeable are the players who are not on the list. Joe DiMaggio, Jimmie Foxx, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford, Cy Young, Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie, Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews, Roy Campanella and Harmon Killebrew all had to wait until at least their second ballot to be elected.
Source: Baseball Reference
DiMaggio earned just 44.3% of the writers' vote, finishing in eighth place. Many believe he didn't get more votes because a lot of voters didn't like choosing a player just a year after he retired. ... He was fourth on the ballot in 1954, but again voters didn't want to vote for him just two years out of the game.
hard to think this happened
hard to think this happened
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
we should be having a committee formed to revoke some of inductees from the past 40 years, not adding more
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
I remember Terry Boers talking about this on the Score. He would have it if someone enters the HOF, it’s at the expense of someone else.
They found out a lot of Cy Young's wins happened after winning the 1st game of the double header , the writers asked him did he win the 2nd game too and he said Yeah.