"I had COVID, was sick for 10 days, recovered and see no reason to get the vaccine."

I don't get flu shots, why would I get this vaccine?

I had COVID, was sick for 10 days, recovered and see no reason to get the vaccine.

How do you know it was covid? Did you get tested? Do you have covid antibodies now, as evidenced by a recent test? If so, will they still be around in a few months or next year? Will they be effective against more deadly covid VOC that you have not been exposed to yet? Or as yet unknown new more deadly future VOC that may infest the USA in the near future?

Covid isn't the flu, but far more dangerous & deadly.

I didn't get flu shots either for decades, but got the covid vaccine to protect myself & others. That's why people are getting it. Why wouldn't you.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Immunity from having recovered from covid does NOT just come from antibodies, having few or dwindling antibodies does not mean you are vulnerable again.

The truth is we have no idea how long protection lasts, it's at least a yr right now could be far longer, could be forever.

An covid is not far more dangerous, it's a little more for healthy people under 50 or so.

For the record I get flue shots, got one last fall.
 
Immunity from having recovered from covid does NOT just come from antibodies, having few or dwindling antibodies does not mean you are vulnerable again.

Unless you've been tested for whatever could possibly protect you, how do you know you have any protection, or enough protection? Even if you do, could getting a covid19 vaccine add to your protection? If so, more protection should be better than less protection, correct?

The truth is we have no idea how long protection lasts, it's at least a yr right now could be far longer, could be forever.

Based on a solitary study you posted of only 8 people? Test 80,000 & you may find a significantly large percentage don't have 12 months, or even 6 months, protection.

Such a study is useless to you unless you know you've had covid & presently have sufficient antibodies as a result. [Many people may not]. For that you need to be tested. But if the test is based on a weaker strain of covid19, your antibodies may be of little, if any, protection against newer & more deadly VOC.

An covid is not far more dangerous, it's a little more for healthy people under 50 or so.

The excess death count, which was even with extreme safety measures in place, strongly argues otherwise.

For the record I get flue shots, got one last fall.

I didn't get any for decades till last year.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Millions, 10's of millions got covid last spring, how many do you hear about getting reinfected. the odds of it are about the same as getting hit by lightening. Which means it lasts at least a yr.
 
Millions, 10's of millions got covid last spring, how many do you hear about getting reinfected. the odds of it are about the same as getting hit by lightening. Which means it lasts at least a yr.

How many i've heard of is irrelevant. (How would i hear if little or no research has been done into it to determine the facts? I wouldn't. No one would.) It's how many of those who got covid last Spring - actually - still have immunity. And how many have lost any immunity, or much of the immunity that they had. And, since their infection was from a weaker strain of covid19, if they have immunity from that strain, does that provide them with any or sufficient or the same immunity against the ever new & more infectious VOC? And will a future even worse VOC evolve that they are defenseless against?

How many studies have been done on what level of protection (antibodies) those people have? As I said above:

"Based on a solitary study you posted of only 8 people? Test 80,000 & you may find a significantly large percentage don't have 12 months, or even 6 months, protection."

"Such a study is useless to you unless you know you've had covid & presently have sufficient antibodies as a result. [Many people may not]. For that you need to be tested. But if the test is based on a weaker strain of covid19, your antibodies may be of little, if any, protection against newer & more deadly VOC."

And what if you were tested for covid19 infection, but it was a false positive & you weren't really infected? And what if then you are deceived into thinking you have antibody protection, but you really don't, because you never even had covid19? You could be fucked. That is, if you weren't vaccinated.
 
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mr merlin

EOG Master
Stop blathering about antibodies, you could have zero antibodies and be years out from an infection and still be protected, your body recognizes the virus and kicks into gear immediately. Do you think you have antibodies to polio from when you were vaccinated decades ago - of course not. Now is that the way it'll be with covid? We dont know.

And the original strain from last spring was not neessarially weaker, it was prob stronger, almost all virus's mutate to less lethal, but more infectious strains. i believe the current IFR(infection fatality rate) is still estimated to be about .26%, roughly .3%, that's not very high. Not when the rate for anyone under 40 is infinitesmal .
 
"could have...We don't know...not necessarily"...maybe, maybe not...have no clue.

Exactly. That's why countless millions, whether they have a clue they were ever infected or not, should get vaccinated (IOW protect themselves & others) ASAP.

There have been reports re VOC that are more deadly.

Of course if one has antibodies to an early form of the virus, that doesn't mean they'll protect against newer VOC, which means you may be unprotected which equals them being more deadly.

A survival rate of 99.9% means you die 1 in 1000 times. Who's stupid enough to play that kind of Russian Roulette with people's lives, theirs & others they may infect.

Moreover death isn't the only health concern, as millions are suffering "long covid", including many young people, whom the newer VOC are causing greater problems for.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
They went from impending doom, from non stop variant scares, to take the masks off in the span of 45 days, that means it was political from the beginning. They made the political calculation to pull back and stop the insanity - which is good.

Dont hear much about the variants lately huh? The UK variant - what did it amount to, nothing, the south african variant - ditto, the brazilian variant - they just stopped talking about it, we had the indian "double mutant" variant - they've gone quite on that one too.

Do you see what canada is doing - they're shutting down all outdoor recreation, it's as if they missed the experiences of the whole world this past year, just as CA, NY, NJ, etc just pretended what was going on in other open states for the last year didn't exist, Canada is pretending that what's going on in the US doesn't exist. What's the response to the observation to everythin across the border is open, stadiums full, masks coming off, normal life - all with no covid resurgence? They're response is shut up and do what you're told.

It's all political.
 
They went from impending doom, from non stop variant scares, to take the masks off in the span of 45 days, that means it was political from the beginning. They made the political calculation to pull back and stop the insanity - which is good.

Nonsense.

"this is the process intelligent people follow.

"When there is new information, or the understanding of a situation evolves, intelligent people modify their opinions and advice. AKA "change their minds".

"Others who are threatened by their own fear and insecurity that they may be wrong, doggedly stick to their original position and find excuses to justify
their inability to learn from new information.

"Unfortunately ignorant, loud and irrational people can not understand or interpret these facts properly because they are blinded by their own selfish wants/gains or guided by their political agenda.

"Who's stupid enough to think that anyone is perfectly right in everything 100% of the time."
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
As usual you guys don't understand basic things re infection rates.

Without masks & lockdowns & other extreme safety measures things would be far worse now. The US dead wouldn't be some 600K but more like 6 million.
The simple truth is that every metric is similar no matter what the states did, thats because the virus wins every time, all the measures, all the trying did nothing.

For instance CA right now has about the lowest covid numbers in the country, and that's a reflection of the fact over 50% of people already had it, not vaccines or masks, etc.
 
The simple truth is that every metric is similar no matter what the states did, thats because the virus wins every time, all the measures, all the trying did nothing.

For instance CA right now has about the lowest covid numbers in the country, and that's a reflection of the fact over 50% of people already had it, not vaccines or masks, etc.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The scientific evidence says vaccines, masks, lockdowns & social distancing are effective at reducing infection numbers.
 
Dont hear much about the variants lately huh? The UK variant - what did it amount to, nothing, the south african variant - ditto, the brazilian variant - they just stopped talking about it, we had the indian "double mutant" variant - they've gone quite on that one too.

Actually the UK variant has become the dominant variant in a number of places, including the USA. Also there are reports of it being more infectious & deadly.

The African variant: there are reports of decreased vaccine effectiveness vs this variant. Which led South Africa to abandon the AZ vaccine.

  • B.1.1.7, the variant first reported in the UK, which spreads more easily and can cause more severe illness.
  • B.1.351, the variant first reported in South Africa, which spreads more easily. Some current treatments and vaccines may not work as well on cases of this variant.
  • P.1, the variant first reported in Japan but later identified as originating in Brazil, which may be able to re-infect people who have had COVID-19. Some current treatments may not work as well on cases of this variant.
  • B.1.617 a variant first detected in India in October 2020. Although not much is known yet about this strain, current evidence suggests it spreads more easily between people and current treatments may not work as well. Researchers are monitoring for specific sublineages of this variant, including B.1.617.1, 1.617.2, B.1.617.3 and B.1.617.4
The BCCDC is also actively monitoring for new variants of interest (VOI) as they emerge around the world and assessing whether these variants have been identified in B.C. The VOIs include:

  • B.1.525 and B.1.526, variants first detected in New York in late 2020
  • B.1.427 and B.1.429, variants first reported in California, USA. Both spread more easily, and some current treatments and vaccines may not work as well on cases of this variant.
  • P.2, a variant first detected in Brazil in early 2020
Experts and scientists are studying the new COVID-19 variants to better understand their impact and if they change the course of COVID-19 illness. Some variants have the same genetic changes, even though they were first detected in different countries. Other variants, such as B.1.617 have at least two sets of changes that can impact how the virus behaves in the body.

....Currently, the most common VoCs in B.C. are B.1.1.7 and P.1.

...Reducing the Spread of COVID-19 Variants


The new variants spread the same way as the original COVID-19; current public health measures (frequent hand washing, physical distancing, wearing a well-fitted, 3 layer mask and staying home when you’re sick) help limit the spread. However, because the variants spread more easily, it is even more important for people to follow the current public health recommendations. People should also continue to avoid crowded or poorly ventilated spaces.

Getting vaccinated helps to stop the spread of COVID-19 variants.


http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/about-covid-19/variants

https://www.ontario.ca/page/covid-19-variants
 
Do you see what canada is doing - they're shutting down all outdoor recreation, it's as if they missed the experiences of the whole world this past year, just as CA, NY, NJ, etc just pretended what was going on in other open states for the last year didn't exist, Canada is pretending that what's going on in the US doesn't exist. What's the response to the observation to everythin across the border is open, stadiums full, masks coming off, normal life - all with no covid resurgence? They're response is shut up and do what you're told.

It's all political.

If you want to compare open vs closed, Sweden's relatively open approach was a colossal failure. Even Canada has surpassed them now and, of course, the USA as well.

The USA has a much higher death rate than Canada & failed to protect its citizens. It has over 550,000 more deaths than Canada.

And people are crying like babies about "outdoor recreation"? By that standard I imagine they'd be soiling their undies & or having a nervous breakdown if they had to go to war to oppose Hitler. BTW when & where have Canadians ever been forbidden from going outdoors (e.g. for a walk along the beach or hiking a mountain).
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Actually the UK variant has become the dominant variant in a number of places, including the USA. Also there are reports of it being more infectious & deadly.

The African variant: there are reports of decreased vaccine effectiveness vs this variant. Which led South Africa to abandon the AZ vaccine.




http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/about-covid-19/variants

https://www.ontario.ca/page/covid-19-variants
Yea, the Uk variant is dominant, but what did that amount to? nothing. Cases are crashing, hospitalizations are crashing, so it didn't change anything.

The first clue that the "scary" UK variant wasn't going to be a bad event was when cases in the uk crashed - anyone who looks at stats and charts could have seen that.
 
So when do you personally open things up?

Not sure. My local and the world situation, as well as the few places i might consider future travel to, could vastly improve at some point or get a lot worse.

Certainly i won't be travelling anywhere internationally for some time, probably not this year, anyway.

“For now, you need to keep following public health advice whether or not you’ve been vaccinated to keep yourself, your family and your community safe,” Hajdu said.

"... With COVID-19 cases still high in many parts of Canada and vaccine coverage low, but growing, the recommendations for spring remain what they have been for several months: stay home, continue following local public health advice and get vaccinated when it’s your turn.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7862546/covid-canada-vaccinated-restrictions/
 
Yea, the Uk variant is dominant, but what did that amount to? nothing. Cases are crashing, hospitalizations are crashing, so it didn't change anything.

It resulted in countries forbidding travel to & from the UK & an increase in extreme safety measures in a number of places. Which was a good decision because the variant is considered more infectious &therefore more deadly in that it was capable of killing more people per day than before.

"Over time, the genetic material in a virus often changes through mutation, and new variants of a virus are expected to occur.
A variant is of concern when it impacts public health and clinical practice. It may affect:
  • disease spread (transmission)
  • severity of the disease
  • testing, or how the virus is detected
  • whether vaccines and treatments are effective"

https://www.ontario.ca/page/covid-19-variants
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
How many i've heard of is irrelevant. (How would i hear if little or no research has been done into it to determine the facts? I wouldn't. No one would.) It's how many of those who got covid last Spring - actually - still have immunity. And how many have lost any immunity, or much of the immunity that they had. And, since their infection was from a weaker strain of covid19, if they have immunity from that strain, does that provide them with any or sufficient or the same immunity against the ever new & more infectious VOC? And will a future even worse VOC evolve that they are defenseless against?

How many studies have been done on what level of protection (antibodies) those people have? As I said above:

"Based on a solitary study you posted of only 8 people? Test 80,000 & you may find a significantly large percentage don't have 12 months, or even 6 months, protection."

"Such a study is useless to you unless you know you've had covid & presently have sufficient antibodies as a result. [Many people may not]. For that you need to be tested. But if the test is based on a weaker strain of covid19, your antibodies may be of little, if any, protection against newer & more deadly VOC."

And what if you were tested for covid19 infection, but it was a false positive & you weren't really infected? And what if then you are deceived into thinking you have antibody protection, but you really don't, because you never even had covid19? You could be fucked. That is, if you weren't vaccinated.

This is exactly what's wrong with you brainwashed, socialist turds. It's the government's responsibility to prove that someone who has recovered from COVID-19 loses immunity before you take their CONSTITUTIONAL rights away - despite what your puppeteers have convinced you to believe by subjecting you and everyone else to totalitarianism for over a year.

Ever heard of T-cell memory? Didn't think so.

It's high fucking comedy to see the left cower in fear without their Big Pharma jabs. So stupid that they can't even comprehend their own hypocrisy.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
As usual you guys don't understand basic things re infection rates.

Without masks & lockdowns & other extreme safety measures things would be far worse now. The US dead wouldn't be some 600K but more like 6 million.

Right. That's why when Florida was wide open and California was locked down tighter than Mormon pussy, their case and death rates per capita were nearly identical.

It's why no neighboring state in the country has dramatically different per capita numbers despite their different policies.

First semester statistics says otherwise, but just keep on repeating that bullshit propaganda over and over again since you think it makes you sound intelligent.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
It's all crashing down on the tyrants, DC, even NY ditched the masks today, woke companies like target gave up too. Next most schools will ditch them.

Just look at who's left wearing the masks - NJ, CA for apparently another month, and Hawaii, how long can the douche bag Murphy hang on now that Ny has caved? I give him 3-4 days tops.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
Nonsense.

"this is the process intelligent people follow.

"When there is new information, or the understanding of a situation evolves, intelligent people modify their opinions and advice. AKA "change their minds".

"Others who are threatened by their own fear and insecurity that they may be wrong, doggedly stick to their original position and find excuses to justify
their inability to learn from new information.

"Unfortunately ignorant, loud and irrational people can not understand or interpret these facts properly because they are blinded by their own selfish wants/gains or guided by their political agenda.

"Who's stupid enough to think that anyone is perfectly right in everything 100% of the time."

Weird. We kept getting told "the science is in" while social media and other outlets actively censor dissenting opinions.

Exactly who's been using the methodology that you're describing again?
 
Right. That's why when Florida was wide open and California was locked down tighter than Mormon pussy, their case and death rates per capita were nearly identical.

It's why no neighboring state in the country has dramatically different per capita numbers despite their different policies.

First semester statistics says otherwise, but just keep on repeating that bullshit propaganda over and over again since you think it makes you sound intelligent.

How simplistic, simpleton, unscientific & extremely biased cherry picking. It's no wonder so many gullible are blindly led astray. Don't you yet understand that many variables affect infection and death rates?

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It's all crashing down on the tyrants, DC, even NY ditched the masks today, woke companies like target gave up too. Next most schools will ditch them.

Just look at who's left wearing the masks - NJ, CA for apparently another month, and Hawaii, how long can the douche bag Murphy hang on now that Ny has caved? I give him 3-4 days tops.

Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite the US in the ass. Time will tell.

There was even evidence years ago that mask use would save lives during flu seasons.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
Wrong.

And what if a person's body is poor at making them?

Ever heard of covid19 vaccines that are reducing infections, hospitalizations, severe illness & death.

Maybe you can argue with these guys then, genius...

"Our data showed that the memory CD4+ and CD8+ T cells of 94.44% and 83.33%, respectively, of the COVID-19 patients successfully underwent expansion (Fig. 1a–c). These results clearly indicate that most of the recovered COVID-19 patients have developed effective T cell memory pools against SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22036-z
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
How simplistic, simpleton, unscientific & extremely biased cherry picking. It's no wonder so many gullible are blindly led astray. Don't you yet understand that many variables affect infection and death rates?

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So a bunch of islands and a country with a militantly enforced border is your evidence that masks work?

And you think you're intelligent? LOL.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
I mean, that's the most inaccurate, piece of shit graph ever made.

Germany had mask mandates.
Australia had mask mandates.
India, Norway, Portugal, etc., etc., etc.

You fall for the dumbest propaganda ever. You can't even fact check the bullshit you post. That's the epitome of a brainless sheep.
 
Maybe you can argue with these guys then, genius...

"Our data showed that the memory CD4+ and CD8+ T cells of 94.44% and 83.33%, respectively, of the COVID-19 patients successfully underwent expansion (Fig. 1a–c). These results clearly indicate that most of the recovered COVID-19 patients have developed effective T cell memory pools against SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22036-z

Do you have a point?

And what if a person's body is poor at making them?

Ever heard of covid19 vaccines that are reducing infections, hospitalizations, severe illness & death.
 
Recovery is more effective against COVID-19 than ANY vaccine out there, dumbfuck.

How do you, or anyone else, know they are protected against covid VOC - including "long covid", severe illness that hospitalizes you or puts you in ICU, or death - without being vaccinated?

Covid19 vaccines are reducing infections, hospitalizations, severe illness & death.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
Uhh. Try looking at the efficacy rate of the vaccines that's published by the Big Pharma companies you're shilling for versus the rate of reinfection, genius.

I know, I know. This stuff is rocket science for you retards.
 
So a bunch of islands and a country with a militantly enforced border is your evidence that masks work?

No, the point is anyone can post charts & cherry pick irrelevant stuff like guys do. If you want evidence, look to scientific studies, e.g.

"Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review

Abstract

Influenza viruses circulate around the world every year. From time to time new strains emerge and cause global pandemics. Many national and international health agencies recommended the use of face masks during the 2009 influenza A (H1N1) pandemic. We reviewed the English-language literature on this subject to inform public health preparedness. There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected. Further studies in controlled settings and studies of natural infections in healthcare and community settings are required to better define the effectiveness of face masks and respirators in preventing influenza virus transmission.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20092668/
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
No, the point is anyone can post charts & cherry pick irrelevant stuff like guys do. If you want evidence, look to scientific studies, e.g.

"Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review

Abstract

Influenza viruses circulate around the world every year. From time to time new strains emerge and cause global pandemics. Many national and international health agencies recommended the use of face masks during the 2009 influenza A (H1N1) pandemic. We reviewed the English-language literature on this subject to inform public health preparedness. There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected. Further studies in controlled settings and studies of natural infections in healthcare and community settings are required to better define the effectiveness of face masks and respirators in preventing influenza virus transmission.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20092668/

So the point was to post a graph that's pure propaganda with factually inaccurate information? LOL.

What a fucking dipshit.
 

MonkeyF0cker

EOG Dedicated
How's this for a study? Only 72 years of data.

"In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) "

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
 
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