Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

IrishTim

IrishTim

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Edward said:
Disagree completely. Rather stay long on my right side at good number any day.
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I used to think this too, but if you deliberately over-bet on the original and the wager settles relatively quickly, then buy back (according to Kelly) can be optimal.
 
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High Times

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

FISHHEAD said:
This topic is good for an entire other thread...................but basically what you are saying is certainly correct(not sure why High Times is disagreeing).

HOWEVER, with the nature of how this business operates, it is not optimal for punters of different degrees(rec and pro) in many instances(for some the majority of time), to not take something back on the opposite side.
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Do you even realize how much money some of those middling groups have made over the years?

And got money stolen from them left and right and you ....

think it's not a MUCH bigger money maker to bet both sides?
 
FISHHEAD

FISHHEAD

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

High Times said:
Do you even realize how much money some of those middling groups have made over the years?

And got money stolen from them left and right and you ....

think it's not a MUCH bigger money maker to bet both sides?
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:+clueless Do you know who you are talking to???

There has perhaps not been a bigger proponent for betting both sides(middling/scalping/siding/etc,etc.) of games in the history of gaming forums.............and I've taken tons of heat for it since pre 2000 on various forums.
 
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High Times

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

FISHHEAD said:
:+clueless Do you know who you are talking to???

There has perhaps not been a bigger proponent for betting both sides(middling/scalping/siding/etc,etc.) of games in the history of gaming forums.............and I've taken tons of heat for it since pre 2000 on various forums.
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Then why did you disagree with me?
 
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Edward

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

IrishTim said:
I used to think this too, but if you deliberately over-bet on the original and the wager settles relatively quickly, then buy back (according to Kelly) can be optimal.
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For various reasons, I don't get many opportunities to over-bet.
 
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Edward

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Perhaps you guys are talking about larger (pro) market sides where edges are smaller and push rates are higher, or something like MLB. The typical scenario I am used to is sitting on a 56% or so bet, with the opposite side after movement basically being 48-52%.

So unless I significantly over-bet (very rare), or have other bankroll considerations, or have new info in hand, don't see any reason to make the second bet.
 
vegaseagles

vegaseagles

EOG Senior Member
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

fish you are in vegas now..i think...have you heard of prediction machine.com...and what do you think of it....i followed the guy for a while last year..seemed ok...i dont usually like to pay touts but this one seemed to have a different approach
 
FISHHEAD

FISHHEAD

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

vegaseagles said:
fish you are in vegas now..i think...have you heard of prediction machine.com...and what do you think of it....i followed the guy for a while last year..seemed ok...i dont usually like to pay touts but this one seemed to have a different approach
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Never heard of..................will check it out, thanks.

Yes, in Vegas.
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Unreal trying to plan your days around these release times and dates over the last few days. Constant canceling of the release times and changing the times only to cancel that time as well..

Outside of the changing of release times over and over, my only complaint so far would be that with all the technology these days, they need to ahve the release platform compatiable with Ipads, Iphones, Androids, etc..No reason for the platform not to be able to to work with all types of devices imo
 
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Edward

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Tuckman said:
Unreal trying to plan your days around these release times and dates over the last few days. Constant canceling of the release times and changing the times only to cancel that time as well..

Outside of the changing of release times over and over, my only complaint so far would be that with all the technology these days, they need to ahve the release platform compatiable with Ipads, Iphones, Androids, etc..No reason for the platform not to be able to to work with all types of devices imo
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Like I said in e-mail, it has been a frustrating and embarrassing week with release page delays and issues. Sure hope it is not indicative of things to come.
 
Mammon

Mammon

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

So ed is now giving the shit to the employees here for free and to be able to pump his garbage..


Pay for the banner!!! Skipping to owner of the site is a no/no.
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

ED

u know my email, can u shoot me one that only you have access to

its tuckman@eog.com

Has Zero to do with your service or anything like that

thanks
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Mammon said:
So ed is now giving the shit to the employees here for free and to be able to pump his garbage..


Pay for the banner!!! Skipping to owner of the site is a no/no.
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mammon hows that free sportsoptions treating you?

he's giving a few people a 2 week trial to give the forum an honest feedback

so how about stfu now
 
Mammon

Mammon

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

So it's true, free shit, no banner and allowed to pump and dump his tout shit here.
 
Mammon

Mammon

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Tuck you get Fezz trash free too?
 
Mammon

Mammon

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

SO has the banner atand the owner gets his cut. The way it is done on the up and up..
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

Uh Poster
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

no on Fezz

I guess whoever else he gave the free trial to must be bribing him as well

must be a night full of cocktails as you are starting to spew some shit already and dropping forum names :thumbsup
 
Mammon

Mammon

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Hey man, I'm anti Tout. Hope you sucker Ed into a full season...
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

Uh Poster
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

i dont have an opinions on touts that dont effect me..

As u can see i have stated my opinion on the service so far and its definatly not been a good one, so no worries on me selling out my side for some free plays..I'm giving my unbiased take on the service he provides his clients
 
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annyW32f

Banned
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

I don't think he has much choice Munson
 
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Richie La Manna

EOG Enthusiast
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Junkyarddog47 said:
This is very interesting, but a couple of comments really stick out. First of all, this fascination about the "Closing" line is a falacy. I don't care when you wager, be it on Sundays, when the lines come out (and which most of you cannot because your books are too slow on the trigger), or 5 minutes before the game starts. When you get your line, you wager on it. There is no magical day or hour to make your wagers.

Next, it is true that the majorityof gamblers are sheep. They see a trend and jump on. What people seem to forget is just how easy it is for people who make money in this business (because it is NOT gambling to us) can control these sheep. I am sure that some of you must know what a "Bait and Switch" move is.

Next, Edward made this statement: "Touts" typically aren't the ones moving lines in these markets, it is other pros/groups, etc. " That is absolutely correct. Touts have nothing to do with the lines, because they cannot make their plays until the opening lines come out. Now what touts CAN do, is the same thing as what anyone can do. They can look at the "College Games of the Year" odds that are posted at several casinos and books, and get some idea of what the opening lines may be. The openers may not be exactly the same, but they are not going to differ by 10 points either, especialy early in the season, when touts must make their money.

Next, data bases can be useful, or totally meningless. This year in College Football will be a perfect example. Nebraska has moved to the Big 10. Colorado and Utah have moved to the Pac 12. Boise State has moved to the MWC. How valuable are those data bases going to be? Worthless for conference games. They will still have value for non-con games, but for conference games, they mean nothing now.

One last thing. Someone mentioned "Middles". "Middles" are what the successful players make their living on. The successful player will have the ability not only to find a bad line, but realize that the line could change drastically. Middles always pay off on one wager, so the most you can lose is your vig. Do the math, and you will find out that by hitting one middle, you can "lose" (push minus the vig) on 19 others and still come out a winner. Now the problem that many people have in here is the fact that they have to play offshore, on computers. If you get caught playing middles, they run you out. The only way you can play a middle is to wager at two different offshore books. Then you have the problem of transfering funds from one to the other if your middle does not win. It is very easy in Vegas. You lay your money down at one of the sportsbooks that offer Sunday wagering, and then wait for the lines to move. Then you simply go to another sportsbook and make the "middle" wager. You get paid immediately after the game ends. This is why so many successful players play in Vegas. You get your money immediately. No waiting. No paying for withdrawls out of an account. No fradulant books. That is a major advantage of playing in Vegas. The Comps are not too bad either, especially if you like good booze and good food.
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Completely Clueless.
 
IrishTim

IrishTim

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Why would teams moving conferences render data-bases useless?
 
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Richie La Manna

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Patrick McIrish said:
Anyone have his hoop record last year? I know after raising the price substantially he was talking a lot of smack about how good he is, did he chase his way out of the jam?
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Patrick McStiff had the weakest sob story and excuse for stiffing well over 100K and he's arguing and being hostile with one of the industries classiest and established handicappers in Edward Golden ? Too Funny.
 
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bernardoincr

EOG Dedicated
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

you can get their plays on service threads. buy points if you want and save the $895. not being glued to computer almost worth the point buying----of course this is if you believe RAS will
have a % to cover all costs.
 
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Richie La Manna

EOG Enthusiast
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

bernardoincr said:
you can get their plays on service threads. buy points if you want and save the $895. not being glued to computer almost worth the point buying----of course this is if you believe RAS will
have a % to cover all costs.
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Buying points so you can get his release # is a horrible idea. LOL
 
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Richie La Manna

EOG Enthusiast
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

bernardoincr said:
you can get their plays on service threads. buy points if you want and save the $895. not being glued to computer almost worth the point buying----of course this is if you believe RAS will
have a % to cover all costs.
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You should only buy points on/off 3, 7 in Football & on/off 3 in Basketball. Don't ever pay 10 cents for 1/2 point on a total. Edwards service isn't for everybody...if you can't time the market nor have the time to be around when he releases you should'nt pay the $895. His service is clearly for more sophisticated players.
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

I surely hope the releases go better tommorrow, i missed out on the 2nd side release last week because the platform messed up. I spent like 6 hours over 2 days waiting only to not get the 2nd one 2348ji23e
 
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Edward

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Tuckman said:
I surely hope the releases go better tommorrow, i missed out on the 2nd side release last week because the platform messed up. I spent like 6 hours over 2 days waiting only to not get the 2nd one 2348ji23e
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Sorry again for all the delays last week, and the system malfunction. We are back to last year's system, so it should be clear sailing from here, even if we have lost some of the new system's functionality.

Very good to hear you were able to get the release line on the first play. That is a positive sign. I hate when people say it is impossible. Just not true.
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

Uh Poster
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Yea I got the release line -106 think, it moved a few cents before it went thru.
 
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Edward

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Let me know how today's releases went for you.
 
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Edward

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Tuckman, we are interested in hearing more feedback on your comp RAS subscription. I know we had some issues with Week 1. How did yesterday's release go?
 
cassiusclay

cassiusclay

EOG Master
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

ed, how did week 1 treat you guys?
 
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Edward

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

cassiusclay said:
ed, how did week 1 treat you guys?
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9-4, +4.60 units

Can't complain about results, my concern is clients ability to follow along. We've already pushed back our projected release windows by a few hours to allow for better market maturity.
 
Tuckman

Tuckman

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Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

Ed I will give an update in a few hours on my experiences so far
 
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bernardoincr

EOG Dedicated
Re: Anyone going to use Ras for NCAA football he only does the first 8 weeks and it is $895.

of course he'll do well. i dropped the service. gave me too many grey hairs, and a
big loss in hoops.
 
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