Carry on, Bruce

Dell Dude

EOG Master
He had 4 good seasons 1995-1998. The other 17 seasons, only 2 where he played at least half a season and had more touchdown than interceptions. 14 and 9 in 10 games 1993. 15 and 14 in 16 games in 2001. Other one was 7 and 2 in 7 games 2003. That means only 7/21 season he had more TD's than picks!
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
The final nail in the legacy of Joe Paterno was the leak of the accusers going back to the 70s'

A full and detailed discussion of those two accusers, as well as others, will make your jaw drop as to how rediculous these two are, but more importantly, the motivation behind the take down of Joe

I hate this case ...

Episode Twelve, Part II The Settlements
With the Benefit of Hindsight...

Zig and Liz take us deep inside the Penn State Board of Trustees and the decisions that were made regarding the "victim" settlements. While Zig steadfastly sticks to his belief that the entire Penn State scandal was a "perfect storm of self interest" and NOT a conspiracy, he does believe that in the end there was a conspiracy to seal the fate of Joe Paterno. We are joined by two former board members and an undercover accuser to help explain it all.Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000524940378

Liz Habib

@LizHabib


Sports Anchor @FOXLA http://facebook.com/lizhabibtv http://Instagram.com/lizhabib Snap Liz.habib
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Alfred Joseph Benza is an American gossip columnist and television host.
Wikipedia
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
Incredible shit storm of bad luck , stopped the truth from going mainstream



Liz and Zig dig deep in episode thirteen to explain the nature of today's media and the prioritization of narrative over news. Pack a lunch because episode thirteen is packed with more than five hours worth of Zig's struggles to get members of the media to embrace the actual facts of this case. It won't disappoint.Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000525596223

Liz Habib is an Emmy award-winning journalist, anchor, and show host with more than 20 years experience covering the world’s biggest news, entertainment and sports storie
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
120 MILLION DOLLARS WAS PAID OUT . Largest settlement was I believe 20 million dollars . Is it possible that the young man may have just suppressed his memory of the assault, and the 20 million may have helped him remember?

With The Benefit Of Hindsight Dr Elizabeth Loftus Interview 06 - 12 - 21
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With The Benefit of Hindsight talks with Dr Elizabeth Loftus a cognitive psychologist and expert on human memoryListen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000525295515

Lets change it up a bit


You may not be paying attention to me, but Ill bet you would let her expain to you why Jerry is innocent
 

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brucefan

EOG Dedicated
The sting operation . Meet AJ Dillon, the fake accuser

1/ AJ Tells the lawyer his story ( all made up ) The attorney, Andrew Shubin completely changes it !

2/ AJ is being manipulated in therapy to be convinced its ok , that he has just repressed his memory of the assualt !

Unreal episode as many of the accusers went through the same process

Episode Fourteen: Secret Agent Man
With the Benefit of Hindsight...

AJ Dillen is a former Second Mile kid who saw Jerry Sandusky as a benign father figure. He didn't believe the "victim's" claims of abuse and decided to find out how the system worked for himself by becoming a fake accuser. His story unveils how easy it was to manipulate the system and collect checks from Penn State.
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/with-the-benefit-of-hindsight/id1562078872?i=1000526052032
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
Episode Sixteen: Vindication
With the Benefit of Hindsight...

Zig and Liz summarize the story and the evidence presented in this series. Zig updates us with the latest developments in the case and Liz has some fun hitting John with a bunch of questions about his 10 year odyssey chasing the truth.Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000527036926
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brucefan

EOG Dedicated
Several years ago, after reading a formidable but neglected book by Mark Pendergrast called The Most Hated Man in America: Jerry Sandusky and the Rush to Judgment, I joined the small group of skeptics who have concluded that America’s paramount sexual villain is nothing of the sort. Sandusky, now 77 years old, has been imprisoned since 2012, but he still insists on his innocence, and–believe it or not–there isn’t a shred of credible evidence that he ever molested anyone. Indeed, it is now known that he was physically as well as morally incapable of doing so.

Frederick Crews is Professor Emeritus of English at the University of California, Berkeley. His most recent book is Freud: The Making of an Illusion (2017).

The Unspeakable Sandusky. Several years ago, after reading a… | by Frederick Crews | Jul, 2021 | Medium
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
JoPa's record before and after Jerry shows that. Have to check but I don't think any national championships after Jerry. Became a Big Ten also ran.
Actually had to play a real schedule in the B10 instead of 10 eastern also-rans and Pitt.
 

railbird

EOG Master
if liz was a jew instead of an arab she would be making 10 million a yr at espn, espn only hires their own, if their not shielding themselves with blacks. liz is pretty and smart, something you NEVER see in womens broadcasting.
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
It would have been nice if his medical records we brought up at trial no??


" then there is the period 2005–2008, when Victims 1 and 9 were purportedly taking turns enduring hundreds of violent assaults, many of them in the Sanduskys’ often crowded home. At that time Jerry, already in his sixties, was suffering from prostatitis, dizzy spells, kidney cysts, a brain aneurysm, a hernia, bleeding hemorrhoids, chest pains, headaches, hypothyroidism, drowsiness, high blood pressure, and sleep apnea–conditions that were unknown to his overmatched defense team at his trial."
But Jerry had another, even more telling, medical deficit that would have forestalled priapic feats. He had been born with vestigial testicles that left him almost devoid of testosterone and, necessarily, less interested in sex than other men. That is one reason among several that no pornography was found in his possession; he was closer to a eunuch than a satyr. Revealingly, his conspicuous deformity went unremarked by every “victim,” including all thirty-six who would eventually divide Penn State’s settlement pie of $118 million.

https://medium.com/@crewsfrederick1/saint-sandusky-7f313181fcac
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
EJ Sandusky was the first of six children adopted by Dottie and Gerry Sandusky. EJ and his family were certain that his father could not have committed the crimes of which he was accused but they didn't understand they were no longer living in a world of truth and facts. When Jerry was found guilty EJ was forced to relocate and seek a different career path. Ten years later EJ and his wife Heather are inspired to share their story with Zig.
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/with-the-benefit-of-hindsight/id1562078872?i=1000540507203
https://twitter.com/brucefan23
John Michael Bailey is an American psychologist, behavioural geneticist, and professor at Northwestern University




Michael Bailey

@profjmb


Jerry Sandusky is innocent. I don’t think any reasonable person listening to all the evidence that Ziegler presents could come to any other conclusion.
 

bomzee

EOG Dedicated
There is a known history and multiple instances in the U.S. for
Railroading innocent people for heinous sex crimes that never happened .
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
“There was nothing in the initial report I heard about anything abusive or sexual. I wasn’t told which facility it was, or the time of the day, or anything about the circumstances other than that a member of the athletic department staff was uncomfortable when he saw, indirectly and around the corner, that Jerry Sandusky was “horsing around” with a youth in a locker room facility. That was about all I heard in a 10-minute conversation.

Had I been told anything more than that or suspected child abuse or sexual abuse, of course I would have sprung into action much more aggressively. As a victim myself of child abuse, I have always been very sensitive to such issues, and I would have been greatly disturbed had I ever heard anything along those lines.”

Incredible miscarriage of justice

The whole case !

Put the statue back up!


https://www.statecollege.com/town-a...cQ7AujJg0AKOy_yPHr7EGoeMmYgsEBWRxHKN_P0jFodqg

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‎With the Benefit of Hindsight...: Episode Eighteen: Silent No More on Apple Podcasts

‎Show With the Benefit of Hindsight..., Ep Episode Eighteen: Silent No More - Nov 4, 2021
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brucefan

EOG Dedicated

John Ziegler

10 years ago today, Joe Paterno died a broken man. “With the benefit of hindsight” he was the first victim of this era of “cancel culture,” as the news media turned a story that they didn’t have a clue about, and which had almost nothing to do with him, into a dramatic “Greek Tragedy,” all for ratings.
Here is my documentary film explaining…




Sickening watching this again , the complete ignorance and lack of facts by the media as the story evolved is pathetic and dangerous
Put the Statue back up !



https://podcasts.apple.com/.../with-the.../id1562078872...
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JOHN SNEDDEN


Former NCIS special agent who investigated the Penn State scandal on behalf of the US Govt .

Never heard of him, and never heard anything about the results of the investigation?

Would it not make sense to know either way, since he returned Graham Spanier's national security clearance?

Why would he do that if Spanier was part of a "cover up"

How come he cant buy an interview with any major media ?

In the News | John Snedden | State College | Pittsford | jrsnedden.com



Joe Paterno did nothing wrong, because nothing happened
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated
He wont , dont worry Blue

Listen to the podcast, you will change your tune . Its jaw dropping, shocking information












Steve Cortes

@CortesSteve

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10 years ago today, Joe Paterno died a broken man. His incredible legacy was totally unjustly ruined. If you assume you know the truth about the Penn St abuse scandal, think again - pls hear this superb podcast by ⁦
@Zigmanfreud
⁩ & ⁦
@LizHabib



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brucefan

EOG Dedicated

At Jerry Sandusky's Request, John Ziegler Summarizes Why He Became Convinced of the Alleged Child Abuser's Innocence​

Submitted by jzadmin on Mon, 03/28/2022 - 10:32

In preparation for him finally shifting his appeal efforts from state to federal court, Jerry Sandusky asked John Ziegler to write a short summary for him of how and why John became convinced of his innocence (though the federal appeals process will have very little to do with the actual facts of the case against him)..
Here is what Ziegler sent him...

Like almost the entire rest of the known world, in November 2011 I assumed that Jerry Sandusky must be at least guilty of most, if not all, of the crimes of sexual abuse with which he was being charged. There just did not seem to be a rational explanation for how so many false allegations could be levied against a man with such a previously great reputation.
However, when I began to dig deeper into the case as a documentary filmmaker interested in whether Joe Paterno and Penn State could have possibly helped Sandusky cover up his crimes (a scenario which was always totally nonsensical, especially given the timeline), it became clear that the path to Sandusky’s total innocence was neither all that long, nor very complicated. In fact, it was shockingly straight-forward and not involving any sort of real conspiracy theory (if anything, the news media’s conventional wisdom of the case was the one which required the massive conspiracy).
The first revelation which made me start to question whether Sandusky may be innocent was that, at the time of his arrest, after a three year investigation by the Attorney General’s office, there were only two men (not boys) who were alleging clear-cut sex acts, while all the others were claiming acts of “grooming” which could have theoretically been exaggerated or misunderstood. Therefore, the case really came down to those two allegations of sex acts (“Victim 1” and “Victim 4”) and the lone witness in the case, Mike McQueary.
Obviously, if any of those three men were telling the full truth, then Sandusky was a pedophile and presumed to be guilty of any similar allegations. However, if those three were NOT telling the truth, then the entire case against him would collapse like a house of cards.
McQueary was always the most important element of the case against Sandusky because he seemed to have the least to gain and the most to lose by making a false allegation. The accusers were clearly going to be paid a lot of money by Penn State if Sandusky was convicted, but there would have been no such expectation by McQueary when he first told his story of “seeing” (actually more like hearing) Sandusky in a shower with a boy.
While McQueary’s narrative never made any sense (mostly because of his total lack of effort to get the boy out of harm’s way), the first time that I began to get the very strong sense that his story was false was several months after Sandusky’s arrest, and not long before his super-rushed trial, when the prosecution was forced to admit that the date of the “McQueary Episode” was VERY wrong. They had claimed in the grand jury presentment that this incident had occurred on March 1, 2002, but were forced to change that date to February 9, 2001 because emails came to light proving that the date of the McQueary/Paterno meeting was February 10, 2001.
This was the single most underrated fact at Sandusky’s trial and it was absolute legal malpractice that the defense made such a minor issue of it. This dramatic thirteen-month change in the date of the most critical episode of the entire case (one of the very few with an actual date) should have, on its own, raised plenty of reasonable doubt about McQueary’s credibility. After all, how is it remotely possible that McQueary could misremember, under oath and after extensive research, the date, the month, and even the year in which this presumably HIGHLY memorable event allegedly occurred?!
However, it would take far too many years before I would discover that even that second date is so catastrophically wrong that it on its own proves that McQueary did NOT witness a sexual assault involving Jerry Sandusky and a “ten-year old boy.” After putting together all of the voluminous evidence, it is now clear that the actual date of the McQueary episode was December 29, 2000, meaning that he waited six weeks before reporting something related to the incident to Joe Paterno on February 10, 2001.
This destroys McQueary’s credibility on multiple levels. First, he got the date VERY wrong twice and in a way that is far more consistent with a blatant lie than a bizarre memory issue which, on its own, should have made people greatly suspect that his account was not reliable, especially all of these many years later.
Secondly, the entire reason that the prosecution presumed that the incident occurred on February 9th, 2001 is that they desperately needed it to be the night before he went to go see Joe Paterno, so that it was clear that he had great urgency to his report. However, there is absolutely no way to spin “great urgency” from waiting six weeks to report to your boss (not the police) on the day after the wide receiver’s coaching job you greatly wanted just happened to open up on Paterno’s staff.
Combining all of this with the knowledge (which I publicly broke) of the identity of the boy in the shower that night—Allan Myers, who was actually 13-years old and whose actions/words are totally inconsistent with ever having been a Sandusky victim—makes it absolutely impossible for McQueary’s story to be remotely true. NFL legend Franco Harris has told me, unequivocally, that McQueary made it clear to him at Paterno’s funeral that he did NOT witness a sexual assault.
With one pillar of the case now in ruins, that left only one other holding the entire thing together: the stories of “Victim 1” Aaron Fisher and “Victim 4” Brett Houtz. Neither holds up under even the slightest scrutiny.
After over a dozen friends, neighbors, and relatives, including his now ex-wife, of Fisher contacted me to say on the record why they have grave doubts about his claim of abuse, I was pretty certain he was not telling the truth. But what probably was the clincher for me was learning that his former stepdad, Eric Daniels, who had been Aaron’s male authority figure before Sandusky came into his life, had pleaded guilty to 100 counts of child sexual abuse, including of his own children.
While Aaron was not part of that case, his ex-wife make it clear to me that she knew that Arron had been sexually abused by Daniels (it should be noted that Aaron's own ever-changing timeline for having been abused is often far more consistent with the time Daniels was in his life than it with the Sandusky era). This then created the perfect path for Aaron to be somewhat convincing in his allegation, and for investigators to believe he had been sexually abused, but for Sandusky to have nothing to do with it.
I am relatively certain that Fisher (as well as his manipulative mother) knows that he was not sexually abused by Sandusky, but I am positive that, regardless of what he currently believes, he was not.
This leaves just Brett Houtz, who just happened to have the very same highly-suspect therapist as Fisher, Mike Gillum. Houtz’s story of being abused in hotel rooms during multiple bowl trips is inherently absurd, especially with Dottie Sandusky as a witness who directly contradicts his claim, but how he came to tell investigators of his abuse is even more suspicious.
With a plaintiffs lawyer (who would make many millions of dollars from the Sandusky case) mysteriously by his side during his police interview, Houtz at first is extremely hesitant to make a claim of direct sexual abuse. But then, in an exchange accidently recorded by mistake, the investigators and his lawyer effectively conspired to lie to Houtz about the nature of the evidence against Sandusky, thus making Houtz feel comfortable that HE would not be the one who put Sandusky behind bars (prosecutors would refer to him, after the trial, in a telling slap at Aaron Fisher, as their star witness) and it was only then that he finally spun a tale of direct/clear-cut sexual abuse.
Upon closer inspection there are all sorts of problems with Houtz’s allegations, just as there are with all of those against Sandusky. Where there should be lots of evidence, there is none. No pornography, no drugs, no alcohol, no payoffs, no physical evidence, no physical attacks in either direction, no plea bargain, no confession, along with a never-ending series of appeals despite a lack of monetary and political resources.
It is highly probable that there has never been another serial child sexual-abuser in modern history whose case fit all of those descriptions. That is because Jerry Sandusky is not an abuser of children, but a very obviously innocent man who was railroaded by a perfect storm of remarkable circumstances far beyond his control, or even understanding.
 

homie1975

EOG Addicted
mcqueary said he heard "rhythmic slapping noises" coming from the shower where sandusky was with a young boy.

BTW i met sandusky in late DEC 1994 in LA when penn state was in town for the rose bowl vs oregon.

he was a creep. a straight up weirdo. does that make him guilty? no. does the evidence make him guilty? yes.
 

kane

EOG master
Let me guess, you don't think he raped any of those kids and the whole thing was a hoax
 

Dell Dude

EOG Master
I think his trial was a sham and the media participated like we have seen them do since and still. If he was given a new fair trial, he walks like Kyle. I have no idea if he is guilty. Definitely a creepy fuck. You are supposed to be able to prove guilt by a reasonable doubt not let CNN decide.
 

homie1975

EOG Addicted
I think his trial was a sham and the media participated like we have seen them do since and still. If he was given a new fair trial, he walks like Kyle. I have no idea if he is guilty. Definitely a creepy fuck. You are supposed to be able to prove guilt by a reasonable doubt not let CNN decide.

If Jerry Sandusky is innocent then so are Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson.

Correct?
 

Dell Dude

EOG Master
If Jerry Sandusky is innocent then so are Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson.

Correct?

I never said anybody is innocent. Michael Jackson for sure not enough to reach a guilty threshold. Cosby, ambivalent. It should be hard to convict somebody. It was too easy with Jerry. I just want a new trial and do it by the book this time. If the conviction is tosses, I think they would decline to prosecute again.
 

Dell Dude

EOG Master
I have lost Faith Hill in the justice system after watching people like Michael Flynn being taken down with a water pistol while guilty as fuck assholes like James Comey write books and make Oh Lordy tweets.
 

brucefan

EOG Dedicated

Search Warrant - Sandusky’s Federal Habeas Corpus and ESPN’s scheduled hit-piece on Penn State​


 

Dell Dude

EOG Master
Is there any big story, scandal the past dozen years (can go much farther) the media has come out looking golden? They were right. They were accurate. They were fair and unbiased. They reported crucial details. They made a positive difference. They made an important difference. I only need 1. Bueller? Bueller?
 
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