Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Only switch hitter in MLB with 400 HR's and a .300+ batting average. DO these numbers get him in?

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="yspsctbg"><td colspan="19" class="ysptblhdr" height="18">Batting</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1" align="right"> <td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18" width="18%"> Year</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" width="6%">Team</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">G</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">AB</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">R</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">H</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">2B</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">3B</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">HR</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">RBI</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">BB</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">K</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">SB</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">CS</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">AVG</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">OBP</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">SLG</td> <td class="yspdetailttl">OPS</td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 1993</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">8</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.667</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.750</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1.000</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1.750</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 1995</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">140</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">524</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">87</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">139</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">22</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">23</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">86</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">73</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">99</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">8</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.265</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.353</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.450</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.803</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 1996</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">157</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">598</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">114</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">185</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">32</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">5</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">30</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">110</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">87</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">88</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">14</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.309</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.393</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.530</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.923</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 1997</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">157</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">597</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">100</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">176</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">41</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">111</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">76</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">88</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">5</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.295</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.371</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.479</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.850</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 1998</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">160</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">601</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">123</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">188</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">29</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">5</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">34</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">107</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">96</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">93</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">16</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">6</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.313</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.404</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.547</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.951</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 1999</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">157</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">567</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">116</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">181</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">41</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">45</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">110</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">126</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">94</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">25</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.319</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.441</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.633</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1.074</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2000</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">156</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">579</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">118</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">180</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">38</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">111</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">95</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">64</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">14</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">7</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.311</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.404</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.566</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.970</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2001</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">159</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">572</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">113</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">189</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">33</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">5</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">38</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">102</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">98</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">82</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">9</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">10</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.330</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.427</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.605</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1.032</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2002</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">158</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">548</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">90</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">179</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">35</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">26</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">100</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">107</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">89</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">8</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.327</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.435</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.537</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.972</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2003</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">153</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">555</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">103</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">169</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">33</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">27</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">106</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">94</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">83</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.305</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.402</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.517</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.920</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2004</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">137</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">472</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">69</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">117</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">30</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">96</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">84</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">96</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.248</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.362</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.485</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.847</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2005</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">109</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">358</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">66</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">106</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">30</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">72</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">72</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">56</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">5</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.296</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.412</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.556</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.968</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2006</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">110</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">411</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">87</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">133</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">28</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">26</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">86</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">61</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">73</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">6</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.324</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.409</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.596</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1.005</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2007</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">134</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">513</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">108</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">173</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">42</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">29</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">102</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">82</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">75</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">5</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.337</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.425</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.604</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1.029</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2008</td> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">ATL</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">40</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">156</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">31</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">64</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">9</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">11</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">32</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">15</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.410</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.475</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.679</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1.154</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right" height="16"> <td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> Career</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1935</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">7054</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1327</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">2181</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">434</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">34</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">397</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1331</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1173</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">1096</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">134</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">43</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.309</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.405</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.549</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16">.954</td> <td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr></tbody></table>
 

royboy

EOG Dedicated
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

i think so... it will help his name has never been associated with steroids, at least not that i can remember
 

munson15

I want winners...
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

A player who has kept his nose clean with those stats should get in.
 

aceduecetrey

EOG Addicted
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Peter Gammons stated yesterday on either Mike and MIke or Cowherd, that he thought Chipper was a first ballot guy....
 

SSI

EOG Dedicated
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

the steroid issue (that he steered clear of) has made Larry Wayne a lock for the HOF, along with (Tommy G and John S)...
 
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

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munson15

I want winners...
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

I'm not sure he's first ballot either, I'll bet Dirty thinks he is though!:houra
 

SSI

EOG Dedicated
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

guys getting into the Hall is going to be a lot different in the future... the steroid issue is going to change it bigtime...

a guy with a little lesser numbers but no connections to this mess, will be looked upon by the HOF, in much kinder eyes than in years past..
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

The question is 'IF HE RETIRED TODAY'

And the answer is NO!

Fortunately for him he still has 3+ years to make those numbers LOCK HOF material
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

I believe C. Jones will get in, but the standards for players in his era will be much harder .

Lets take a look at his stats vs Jim Rice....and keep in mind Jones played in a much livelier scoring era with small parks all over the place, juiced baseballs and players.

Had he put up this career in the 80's he would close to a lock.
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Chipper Jones is 36, the SAME age as Jim Rice's last season

Rice career avg .298
Jones a very impressive .309

Rice 382 HR
Jones 397 HR

Rice 1451 RBI
Jones 1331 RBI

Rice hits 2452
Jones hits 2181

Rice runs scored 1249
Jones runs scored 1327

Rice top5 MVP vote 6 times
Jones top 5 MVP vote 2 times

Both won an MVP award, both were ROY.

Jones won a WS Rice did not.
 

royboy

EOG Dedicated
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

even though chipper only won one ring, he'll be remembered as a winner... how many division title winning teams was he on, and was probably the best player on many of them, he is in.
 

SSI

EOG Dedicated
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Journey, your not weighing out the true impact of this steroid thing... its going to be massive..

guys like (bonds, clemons, mcgwire, sosa) are going to get blackballed, they already are..

guys like Chipper are going to get rewarded..... He is a lock for the HOF and before he retires, he may be a first ballot HOF...

they will purposely be looking to reward guys like Chipper..... is it fair?, i dont know that answer but it will happen...

this will have more impact than mere numbers and his numbers alone will be good enough...
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

I'm surprised he only made 5 AS games...playing for ATL should help a lot too...I think he will get in. I doubt he reaches 3000 hits, 500 HR will be close.

He seems to be up to the challenge of finishing his career very strongly, which is crucial for HOF criteria....see Robbie Alomar who finds himself on the bubble after appearing to be a lock at one point.
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Journey, your not weighing out the true impact of this steroid thing... its going to be massive..

guys like (bonds, clemons, mcgwire, sosa) are going to get blackballed, they already are..

guys like Chipper are going to get rewarded..... He is a lock for the HOF and before he retires, he may be a first ballot HOF...

they will purposely be looking to reward guys like Chipper..... is it fair?, i dont know that answer but it will happen...

this will have more impact than mere numbers and his numbers alone will be good enough...

Let me take the oppostie stance for argument sake....

Just because Jones didn't make the Mitchell report does not mean he didn't do steroids HGH privately, all those players names were not the only players who used, they were the ones who used and apparently didn't care who knew.

I'm not saying he did them but some voters may hold the entire era to a higher degree.

His numbers look pretty clean to me, very consistent.... no Brady Anderson year mixed in there.
 

SSI

EOG Dedicated
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

right and whether he did them or not, is not the issue.... you know ive followed his career almost daily, since he broke in.... his numbers and his physical size, show no signs of roids...

the Hall will be looking for (what appears to be) squeaky clean guys to make it in....

he also has played his career for only one team and i think that is the one thing that used to set baseball apart and make it great.... guys staying on one team... heck, chipper is my guy, hes our guy in this area... thats what makes baseball great...
 

SSI

EOG Dedicated
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Journey, what we need is a chase for (.400) or a chase at that hitting streak. those 2 records stand out to me, as for excitement...

sad to say but if chipper (or anyone else) wants a shot at (.400) they need to spend a little time on the DL or walk alot... you need to come in at exactly 502 official at bats...

i vividly remember when george brett made his run... he came off the DL and caught fire.... was that when he had the hemoroid issue?
 

Journeyman

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Journey, what we need is a chase for (.400) or a chase at that hitting streak. those 2 records stand out to me, as for excitement...

sad to say but if chipper (or anyone else) wants a shot at (.400) they need to spend a little time on the DL or walk alot... you need to come in at exactly 502 official at bats...

i vividly remember when george brett made his run... he came off the DL and caught fire.... was that when he had the hemoroid issue?

The hemorrhoid issue was during the World Series...I remember the.390 season well too, he sat out a considerable portion of it 119 games played...Rod Carew on the other hand did not when he batted .388. Two very memorable seasons on yesteryear.
 

dirty

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Chipper would have been a lock if they had not moved him to the OF.. He is already only the Third Switch hitter with 400 HR's (or about to have) behind Mantle and Murray... he is at the top of all 3B Stats.. Tied the record for Most 100 RBI seasons with Eddie Mathews.... would have broken it if they would not have moved him to the OF.....moving him to the OF may cost him as in the OF he was lost in the shuffle with Manny, Vlad, Bonds, Sosa, et al...steroids or not... he was still hitting .300, 30 dongs and 100 Ribi's, but you never heard his name...that is why he only made 5 All Star Games... Too Many other Names in the OF, If he would have stayed at 3B you could add 3-4 more AS games to his Resume.... Imagine if he would have stayed a SS like he was when he came up? He would have the Nomination already locked....
 

Bucsfan67

EOG Master
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

announcers on Fox game of the week today, both agreed that he is a first ballot HOF'er.......there seemed to be no doubt in their minds....
 
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Home Run #400 tonight for the future HOF'er :thumbsup

FWIW J Man, I think Jim Rice should be in as well
 
Re: Chipper Jones a HOF'er

Chipper also played his whole career against the toughest division in the country NL East which makes his stats even more impressive.
 
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