:LMAO64 billion???????Good God you have no clue do you??They are going to pay off all their loans 5 years early[19 billion that is Jethro]??What part of that do you not understand??You are the tools crying Socialism because of these loans ...and now they are going to pay them all off 5 years early and you dipshits are complaining??????????????????????????????????:shoot::shoot::shoot::shoot::shoot::shoot:Hey Obama Zombie. We the tax payers gave this broke company over $64 billion. GM is not not worth 10 cents. They are $60 billion in debt.
So they are going to start making payments at the end of the year to pay some token loan of $6 billion. Wow. Big deal. They are still broke and we the tax payers are stuck with this massive sea of red ink.
Note how GM says they are going to start making payments AFTER the mid-term elections. I will bet you $1,000 to your penny they default on the loan.
Well yeah Bruce of course if they do not return to profitability the pension fund is in trouble.Bruce I thought you said you worked in the stock market???If you do then you should know what GM's biggest asset is going to be??Even if the stock comes out at $2 a share they will raise a lot of jack!!!Yeh, things are just peachy
<!--open abColumn --><!--cur: prev:--><nyt_headline version="1.0" type=" ">Automaker Pensions Underfunded by $17 Billion</nyt_headline>
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</nyt_byline>Published: April 6, 2010
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<nyt_text><nyt_correction_top></nyt_correction_top>DETROIT ? The pension plans at General Motors and Chrysler are underfunded by a total of $17 billion and could fail if the automakers do not return to profitability, according to a government report released Tuesday.
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Both companies need to make large payments into the plans within the next five years ? $12.3 billion by G.M. and $2.6 billion by Chrysler ? to reach minimum funding levels, according to the report, prepared by the Government Accountability Office. Whether the companies will be able to make the payments is uncertain, the report concluded, though Treasury officials expect the automakers will become profitable enough to do so.
- Times Topics: General Motors | Chrysler LLC
If either company?s plan must be terminated, the government would become liable for paying benefits to hundreds of thousands of retirees. The effect on the government?s pension insurer, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, would be ?unprecedented,? the report said. The agency manages plans with assets totaling $68.7 billion, less than the $84.5 billion in G.M.?s plan alone.
The carmakers? pension plans were jolted by the downturn, increased liabilities and other factors. G.M.?s plan was overfunded by $18.8 billion in 2008, and was then underfunded by $13.6 billion last year, the report said. Chrysler?s plan was overfunded by $2.9 billion in 2008 but underfunded by $3.4 billion last year.
The plans cover about 650,000 people at G.M. and 250,000 at Chrysler.
The Treasury Department owns 61 percent of G.M. and 10 percent of Chrysler as a result of the emergency loans the carmakers received last year. The government spent $81 billion bailing out the companies and others in the auto industry.
The report issued Tuesday said Treasury officials were confident that G.M. and Chrysler would earn enough to allow the government to gradually sell its stakes. But the report warned that the government could push the companies out of business, consequently terminating their pension plans, if their recovery efforts failed.
?In the event that the companies do not return to profitability in a reasonable time frame, Treasury officials said that they will consider all commercial options for disposing of Treasury?s equity, including forcing the companies into liquidation,? the report said.
In addition, the report said the government?s interests as a shareholder of G.M. and Chrysler could clash with those of pension participants and beneficiaries. ?For example, Treasury could decide to sell its equity stake at a time when it would maximize its return on investment, but when the companies? pension plans were still at risk,? the report said.
President Obama has said he wants to sell the government?s stakes in the two companies as soon as is practicable. G.M. executives have said that a public stock offering could happen this year but that the company would need to be profitable and meet other criteria first.
G.M. is scheduled to release its financial results for 2009 on Wednesday. Chrysler plans to provide an update on April 21.
PPSSSTTT Jethro...when they filed bankruptcy that debt was erased!!!:shoot::shoot::shoot:Hey Obama Zombie. We the tax payers gave this broke company over $64 billion. GM is not not worth 10 cents. They are $60 billion in debt.
The biggest thing is being profitable.There will be no public offerings of anything unless rates stay at zero and the Fed keeps the bubble going
When that IPO goes, Gold hits 2000
Hey how did gold do today, anyone check?op:
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/04/07/so-how-is-that-government-run-auto-company-working-out/
Jethro it is plain to see why you only contribute words like ''silly negro'' or zombie.If you could comprehend anything other than what Glenn Beck tells you to think, you would see that the article I posted said GM would pay it's loans off 5 years early. It also said they could see profit this year which is good.Your dumbass chimes in with the usual manic depressant, sky is falling stupidity saying they have to much debt.As I pointed out Jethro when they filed bankruptcy that was erased.I know you are not smart enough to understand that since Glenn probably did not draw any pictures for you.Obama Zombie, You fail business class 101. Okay, GM is doing just fine. Back to profitability. What a clueless dope. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone be surprised on this forum that you are nothing but a sheep?:LMAO:LMAO
The EOG right continues to be critical of corporations that will at least be responsible employers and responsible in compensating the government/taxpayers for any assistance received.
At the same time, the same posters will defend Wal-Mart when taxpayers have to pay for food stamps, health care, and energy assistance for their workforce. Nobody gets any of that profit other than the executives in their salaries and bonuses.
socialismYou are the one paying higher taxes
socialismfor the food stamps,
socialism and more socialismenergy/housing assistance,
Budget-busting socialism on steroids!Medicaid
Low skilled entry level jobs shouldn't pay inflated wages and benefitswhen companies pay low wages and no benefits.
Pick up the slack for freeloaders? More -- yep, you guessed it! -- socialism!I don't know why you keep making the taxation argument - GM is repaying its assistance, and taxpayers continue to have to pick up the slack
Like I said, the day you lefties understand how a job is created in the private sector is the day job recovery can begin.for Wal-Mart's irresponsibility, with no compensation in return.
:LMAOBruce's source...Nick Gillespie is editor in chief of Reason.tv and Reason.com, which draws 2.5 million visits per month:LMAOWhere is tank? Is he too embarrassed to post in his "GM ready to repay govt loan, sees chance of profit" thread?
GM is a bottomless pit that Obama has saddled us with. $60,000,000,000 and counting of our money so this chimp could buy a few votes for his re-election bid.
tank,joe bruce munchkin and others would rather see gm and america fail just to vindicate their own misguided beliefs!
That is the truth!!These manic depressant sheep live for bad news and hope OUR country fails . They actually cheer OUR demise on hoping for it.What a sad pathetic group.tank,joe bruce munchkin and others would rather see gm and america fail just to vindicate their own misguided beliefs!
:+computerThat is the truth!!These manic depressant sheep live for bad news and hope OUR country fails . They actually cheer OUR demise on hoping for it.What a sad pathetic group.
And our manic depressant sheep keeps eating the doom and gloom failure grass hoping for the worst.:+computer
The Obama Zombie is being led to slaughter as he chants Yes We Can.
:+computer
The Obama Zombie is being led to slaughter as he chants Yes We Can.
:+computer
The Obama Zombie is being led to slaughter as he chants Yes We Can.
Normally you can’t believe anything a politican says. In this case, it’s a CEO that’s lying, not the politican.
Here are the facts: GM borrowed money from the taxpayers, lots of money. Most of that money was traded for stock in the new GM company that was formed during the bankruptcy proceedings. Some of that money was considered a cash loan.
The portion that was considered cash, GM paid back. GM has NOT paid back the more than $50 billion worth of stock that the government still owns. They would have to buy that stock back, or the government would have to find a private investor to buy the stock. Then and only then will the taxpayers be off the hook.
GM is lying, and it’s disappointing to see Obama and his pack of clowns allow this to happen.
:houra:houraJason Mattera:houraBrietbarth little buttboy has been abused so many times it is not even funny.What kind of idiot would buy this book??Probably the same sheep that would buy Coulter's or Beck's.A brilliantly written post. :thumbsup
http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Zombies-Liberal-Brainwashed-Generation/dp/1439172072
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Keep drinkin' the Kool Aid, tank. :handjob:
Pst Markie.What does it matter if they used the money from the loan to pay it back early??Are you really this stupid??Seriously ?Memo to the forum: there will be no honest, coherent response from the union hack stealing your money. 2938u4ji23
Pst Markie.What does it matter if they used the money from the loan to pay it back early??Are you really this stupid??Seriously ?
Pst Markie.What does it matter if they used the money from the loan to pay it back early??Are you really this stupid??Seriously ?