Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

The people ''down the road'' need to come and see Deportliberals latest stupidity!!This will be laughed at for weeks!!Thanks birther tard!!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Would have happened anyway, says the goon pointing a gun at his employer begging for a paycheck.

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

Priceless...absolutely fucking priceless.

Why don't you use your "indispensable union know-how" and duplicate Mr. Ford's success?
Oh right, you can't! :btj:

Priceless indeed!!!91023i2ndw;l Hey Joe who was going to build the cars..union or not???:LMAO:LMAO
 
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Its impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who doesn't understand economics.

Union goons are dumber than a bag of hammers. They can't discern between the market value of physical labor vs the market value of the expertise, innovation, entrepreneurship and financial capital necessary which creates new wealth. The former is replaceable, the latter much less so. You may as well make the argument that a horse physically pulling the carriage is just as indispensable as the man who invented the entire mechanism.

Its the equivalent of calling a TV repairman to your home, watching him turn a few screws fixing your television and then getting pissed off when he hands you a bill for $90hr.

"Shit, I could have done that!"

No, you couldn't...that's why you called him over to fix your TV. You're not paying for the 'labor', you're paying for the expertise and knowledge ​you don't have.

Geez, trying to teach progressives economics is like trying to teach a grasshopper quantum physics. :doh1
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Its impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who doesn't understand economics.
I know!!I do not know why I bother with you!!

Union goons are dumber than a bag of hammers. They can't discern between the market value of physical labor vs the market value of the expertise, innovation, entrepreneurship and financial capital necessary which creates new wealth. The former is replaceable, the latter much less so. You may as well make the argument that a horse physically pulling the carriage is just as indispensable as the man who invented the entire mechanism.
But of course you still need the horse though!!Here in America we can choose whether we want to be union or not!!I can think of millions of events where the employees on the shop floor have improved the process and made it more efficient and profitable for the employee but according to Joe they are worthless.Fascist pigs like you that do not value an employee are only left with slave labor that has no choice to produce your product .You would never make it in the business world!!

Its the equivalent of calling a TV repairman to your home, watching him turn a few screws fixing your television and then getting pissed off when he hands you a bill for $90hr.
Do you think people work for free??Interesting??

"Shit, I could have done that!"

No, you couldn't...that's why you called him over to fix your TV. You're not paying for the 'labor', you're paying for the expertise and knowledge ​you don't have.
What do you call it then if what he is doing is not labor??This just shows how your Fascist thinking clouds facts!!You think everyone working in a factory just turns a wrench and tightens a bolt@!!Everyday someone is running millions of dollars woth of equipment that takes years of experience to learn.How easy do you think it is to run a centerless grinder??

Geez, trying to teach progressives economics is like trying to teach a grasshopper quantum

Trying to teach a Fascist common sense is like trying to teach a bear to shit in a porta potty!!
physics. :doh1

Again you seem to think robots do all the work or that people should not have a choice of whether they want to be union or not!!Sick Fascist pigs like you need to stay out of America.Union goons know you are dumber then a bag of hammers and laugh at idiots like you that have know clue about them.They are the ones who get their college paid for in their contracts by the employer.Tell me again who the dumb one is ...idiot!!Tell me how bad that is for the employer who pays for college for his employee???At one time over 80% of our employees had a college degree but according to the Fascist idiot we are dumb!!:LMAOThanks for showing once again how clueless you are!!
 

eberetta1

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Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

It is a joke thinking the unions busted America. Billionaires would want the poor folk fighting among themselves ifor the crumbs nstead of tackling the real problem; the reduction of taxes from 70 percent to 30 percent for the rich for the past 10 years without a commensurate 50 percent drop in government services. Even in Henry Ford's day the pay of a CEO was 15 or 20 times the average salary of a worker, whereas today there is no shame in a CEO making 365 times his average hourly worker. When a CEO gets paid more than the company pays in taxes, there is something wrong with the system. Have the government close half the K-12 schools, then see if the rich can pay the police enough to stop the redistribution of wealth that needs to occur to get things back into order. If the rich have no middle class(union) to sell their wares(cars)to then maybe they can give it away and make their money selling gas to the middle class.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Union goons are dumber than a bag of hammers. They can't discern between the market value of physical labor vs the market value of the expertise, innovation, entrepreneurship and financial capital necessary which creates new wealth.

You would never make it in the real world.Everyone get's expertise with experience and good employers know that by paying for their employees college they are getting both.Where do you think most companies get their financial wealth from??Usually from a product that their employees made for them enabling them to innovate and advance that product !!Many times it is the same product but technology is what has made it more efficient and who do you think is going to run that new advanced machine??Anybody of the street???:LMAOI have personally seen robots replace many jobs and people but they always need someone to run that robot don't they??According to you anybody off the street can come in and program a robot and run multiple machines so that employee is meaningless to you correct??That Fascist way of thinking would destroy you right off the bat.I KNOW you could never run a business!!When Fascist like you think everyone is replaceable is when you go out of business!!Totally clueless!!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

It is a joke thinking the unions busted America. Billionaires would want the poor folk fighting among themselves ifor the crumbs nstead of tackling the real problem; the reduction of taxes from 70 percent to 30 percent for the rich for the past 10 years without a commensurate 50 percent drop in government services. Even in Henry Ford's day the pay of a CEO was 15 or 20 times the average salary of a worker, whereas today there is no shame in a CEO making 365 times his average hourly worker. When a CEO gets paid more than the company pays in taxes, there is something wrong with the system. Have the government close half the K-12 schools, then see if the rich can pay the police enough to stop the redistribution of wealth that needs to occur to get things back into order. If the rich have no middle class(union) to sell their wares(cars)to then maybe they can give it away and make their money selling gas to the middle class.
Exactly!!That is our biggest problem now!!Their is no demand for products because no one is working and the ones that are do not have any disposable income to create a demand for a lot of products.Fools will try to tell you that corporations are not hiring because of Obama [ no not a fan of his] but the truth is that when all the money is in the hands of a few it is not going to get the economy going.
Right now the billionaires love this where people are desperate enough to take their shit pay but the day will come when they have had enough and that is sooner then they realize!!The rich will just go to China for slave labor and screw America for all they can!!
 
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Like I said, can't reason with a turd.

You say and think you're indispensable, but you're not.

Orin Corp. will pack up and move to another state (or even country) and the output will be relatively unchanged. Ho-hum. Whereas the poor assembly guy being misled by his clueless, dumber-than-a-bag-of-rocks union goons won't have an income.

The proof is in the pudding, tank. Do those 1000 laid off workers have the resources to make a living once Orin Corp packs up and leaves? Or, will they have to go knocking on a different door hoping to use someone else's capital, someone else's equipment, someone else's training and expertise to make a living?
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Like I said, can't reason with a turd.

You say and think you're indispensable, but you're not.

Orin Corp. will pack up and move to another state (or even country) and the output will be relatively unchanged. Ho-hum. Whereas the poor assembly guy being misled by his clueless, dumber-than-a-bag-of-rocks union goons won't have an income.

The proof is in the pudding, tank. Do those 1000 laid off workers have the resources to make a living once Orin Corp packs up and leaves? Or, will they have to go knocking on a different door hoping to use someone else's capital, someone else's equipment, someone else's training and expertise to make a living?

And like usual you do not know shit!!Can those Olin employees take their experience and qualifications to another employee and get a job??Yes they can and any good employer would hire them for that experience in a heartbeat!!You cannot pay enough for experience but according to Joe all those workers are worthless and over paid .Real obvious you have never worked in a plant and know nothing about it or how business works.Good luck hiring someone off the street compared to someone with experience and qualifications and knows what they are doing.Oh the insurance companies love that don't they with inexperienced people running equipment that can kill you huh?No liability there.:LMAOKeep showing your business ''smarts'' genius!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Whereas the poor assembly guy being misled by his clueless, dumber-than-a-bag-of-rocks union goons won't have an income.
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Yeah that poor dumb union employee that got his employer to pay for his college for him!!:LMAOReal dumb there huh??:LMAOWhat does that say about the employer who paid for his college and now is not going to use it to his benefit??:LMAO:LMAOYou Fascist idiots amaze me with your so called business thinking!:btj:
 
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

I am in the business world, goon. Unlike you, I don't need to carry picket signs and threaten people to force them to meet my demands. The market determines how much I can charge my customers and the number of digits in my paycheck. THANK GOD I don't have to deal and negotiate with you terrorists.

My lawyer's hourly rate is $650; the guy who cuts my lawn: $25 an hour.

Who's more replaceable, goon? Is it 'fair' that my lawyer earns 25 times more?

The fact is, no matter how well my landscaper does his job, he's replaceable compared to my lawyer, or some of the other people I consult with on a regular basis. Supply and demand.

I can pick up a Yellow Pages and ask for quotes from 15 different landscaping companies and the rates will all be competitive. So if one of your union goons brainwashed employees of a landscaping company to unionize and made outrageous demands, their employer would go out of business. Simple as that.

Its the market, stooooopid.

Now you know why Orin Corp has abandoned your shitty socialist state, and now you know why if YOUR company did the same and moved to Texas (and make no mistake, unless they are run by complete dunderheads, it will happen sooner rather than later) business would continue as usual -- with or without your "indispensable union know-how".
 
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Labor Unions Destroy Businesses

The first organized national labor unions were formed in the 1820s. Initially, the unions provided what many believe to be a positive impact on the work force by banding together to reduce the common 12 hour work day to 10 hours, and later in 1866 further decreasing it to 8 hours. In 1866 the American Federation of Labor (AFL) was formed. The AFL was instrumental in passing the Clayton Act of 1914, which allowed workers to use boycotts, strikes, and picketing for negotiations. Consequently, the Clayton Act paved the way for unions to increase their member base to strengthen and rule the industries they represent with no regard to the well being of the companies. Although the original intentions of the unions is said to have been necessary to protect the workers from being abused, it is debatable and many would argue it was not necessary. As a libertarian, I support the notion that unions were not necessary, which is the intention of this post. Government intervention always results in the reduction of individual liberty.

Many years have passed since the inception of labor unions and the government has implemented an abundance of regulations to ensure workers are treated fairly and receive just compensation in the workplace. Today, discrimination laws, Equal Employment Opportunity, The Americans with Disabilities Act, Fair Pay Act, a minimum wage and many other laws exist to supposedly protect workers. Therefore, I believe it is fair to say that unions are no longer necessary in the workplace. One can only imagine how many more federal laws will be created in the future with or without the support of unions.

Labor unions have no concern for the best interests of the businesses which employ them; their loyalty is strictly to the union and its leadership. The undeniable consequence of such behavior is the financial ruin of companies with labor unions.

A recent example was the bailout of General Motors and Chrysler, had it not been for the federal government coming to their rescue one could safely assume that both companies would have filed bankruptcy and liquidated their assets. This would have permitted other automakers to compete for GM and Chrysler?s customers and provide an opportunity for new businesses to enter the industry. Prior to the government?s hostile takeover, GM and Chrysler made numerous unsuccessful attempts to broker deals with the United Auto Workers (UAW). This was a slap in the face to the American taxpayers. The audacity the UAW leadership had, to risk every single members? job during a time when the likelihood of failure was eminent, in hope of receiving aid from the federal government. Or was it eminent at all? It is possible one could assume, that the union leadership had already been promised the government would bail them out. Either scenario unveils the fact that no concern for the businesses? well being was ever considered.

Labor unions have become the heart of the democratic party. Promises are made by the politicians to support the labor union?s demands in exchange for votes. Currently, the unions are pressuring Congress to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, which would eliminate employees rights to private-ballot elections. This will inevitably result in peer pressure and coercion from the unions and pro-union employers. Essentially, fear mongering along with threats and in some cases physical violence are the tactics used to target those who oppose unions from forming. These tactics have already been used against scabs (workers who fill union jobs during strikes) during union strikes.

Labor unions pose a serious threat to businesses and the economy as a whole. They operate as a self-destructive force, capable of bankrupting any company no matter how big or small. The same holds true in the public sector in which government employees are permitted to join unions. What is so startling is that the unions do not seem to understand that their demands can in fact bankrupt the employer. It is as if they are not aware of how the private sector operates and the vital role profits play in the longevity and success of a company. The similarity of unions and politicians in regard to their lack of understanding of how the free market operates is startling. Just as politicians continue to spend money and pass legislation on an infinite basis, unions operate in a similar manner, placing contractual demands on employers with a seemingly delusional perception of the destructive consequences of their demands.

In conclusion, unions will eventually bankrupt every company they represent. This is a bold statement, yet one that will prove true in the future if the current expansion attempts succeed and most assuredly if the Employee Free Choice Act passes. Numerous industries have already been affected in the past, and many more are currently on the verge of collapse.

As revenues continue to decline during the current recession, and unions refuse to agree to sensible negotiations, something will have to give eventually.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

I am in the business world, goon. Unlike you, I don't need to carry picket signs and threaten people to force them to meet my demands. The market determines how much I can charge my customers and the number of digits in my paycheck. THANK GOD I don't have to deal and negotiate with you terrorists.

My lawyer's hourly rate is $650; the guy who cuts my lawn: $25 an hour.

Who's more replaceable, goon? Is it 'fair' that my lawyer earns 25 times more?

The fact is, no matter how well my landscaper does his job, he's replaceable compared to my lawyer, or some of the other people I consult with on a regular basis. Supply and demand.

I can pick up a Yellow Pages and ask for quotes from 15 different landscaping companies and the rates will all be competitive. So if one of your union goons brainwashed employees of a landscaping company to unionize and made outrageous demands, their employer would go out of business. Simple as that.

Its the market, stooooopid.

Now you know why Orin Corp has abandoned your shitty socialist state, and now you know why if YOUR company did the same and moved to Texas (and make no mistake, unless they are run by complete dunderheads, it will happen sooner rather than later) business would continue as usual -- with or without your "indispensable union know-how".

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAOYeah you run a business!!:LMAO:LMAOYou have shown you are too stupid for that but back to your latest idiotic ramblings.That same market determines how much union workers are making also !!Are you honestly dumb enough to think union's ask for a wage that they know the company cannot afford??:LMAOSeriously are you that dumb to think unions want to bankrupt a company so their members are out of a job??Your whole idiotic Fascist ramblings just show how little you know and how clueless you are to the real world.You could never run a business as I have proven how out of touch and stupid you are when it comes to this!!
Yes we all know why Olin left and what your dumbass cannot understand is that it is all corporate greed!!Why else do profitable companies move...especially the ones that are non union???????

Yes it is the market dummy and that is why it is a global market now but of course a so called business man like yourself should know that right??
Your envy overwhelms you so bad that the same old anti union drivel that has been going around for years is laughed at.Your opinion with no facts and only anti union drivel is a myth just like you claiming you run a business is!!Who in their right mind would work for a Fascist piece of shit like you??
A unionized landscaping company!!:LMAO:LMAOWhat a clueless dolt!!Great for laughs but dumb as Hell!!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Well golly if Concerned for liberty say's so it must be true!!:LMAO:LMAO
According to this idiot he assumes that unions are trying to bankrupt companies so their members are out of work!!Some other retard thinks that way too but thankfully he is tucked away up north in Canada attending another Fascist meeting supposedly running a business!!:btj:
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

I am in the business world, goon. Unlike you, I don't need to carry picket signs and threaten people to force them to meet my demands. The market determines how much I can charge my customers and the number of digits in my paycheck. THANK GOD I don't have to deal and negotiate with you terrorists.
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Best laugh of the year!!!Now negotiations are threatening and force to meet demands!!:LMAO
Of course the market does not determine what union workers make at all!!:LMAO
Hey what is it called when unions make concessions??A failed terrorist plot??:LMAO:LMAO
Common sense say's it is because of the market but I bet a good old fashioned Fascist like you can spin it another way!!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

My lawyer's hourly rate is $650; the guy who cuts my lawn: $25 an hour.
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:LMAO:LMAOJoe Fascist cries ''union workers are overpaid '' and then says the unskilled guy who supposedly cuts his lawn makes $25 an hour!!!Instant classic here!!Thanks for the laugh birther tard!!Dream world is fun for Markie!!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Originally Posted by Joe Contrarian
My lawyer's hourly rate is $650; the guy who cuts my lawn: $25 an hour.
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:LMAO:LMAOJoe Fascist cries ''union workers are overpaid '' and then says the unskilled guy who supposedly cuts his lawn makes $25 an hour!!!Instant classic here!!Thanks for the laugh birther tard!!Dream world is fun for Markie!!

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAOThis one is my all time favorite!!Of all the regular stupid shit you say this one is tops !!
 
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Big labor unions have destroyed countless American industries

Big labor unions have destroyed countless American industries, including the Detroit automakers who are now begging Congress for a bailout. But these unions don't just control factories and assembly lines. Our public education system is a slow-motion car crash, driven the same union special interests that brought the auto companies to the brink of bankruptcy.

This insightful new video shows how teachers unions protect bad and incompetent teachers, block school reform efforts, and use their members' dues money to support a radical left-wing agenda.

Compared to other developed countries, the United States has the worst educational quality per dollar spent on schools, ranking 18th in reading and 28th in math. Millions of American children are being shortchanged by dysfunctional schools, but efforts for education reform are invariably stopped by powerful union interests.

These unions fight tooth and nail against any meaningful change to their comfortable status quo - while students and taxpayers pay the price.

After decades of denial, there is a growing realization around the country that teachers unions' defense of the status quo cannot continue. A new generation of reformers, including Michelle Rhee, the chief of public schools in Washington DC, are fighting those unions and pushing for renewed accountability and an end to the broken tenure system.

TeachersUnionFacts.com is a project of the non-profit Center for Union Facts. With your support, we can fix our public schools and expel these special interest groups. Your tax-deductible donation will help us show Americans the truth about today's teachers unions.

Please make a contribution today, and forward this message to your friends, family, and anyone interested in helping take back our schools.
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Big labor unions have destroyed countless American industries

Big labor unions have destroyed countless American industries, including the Detroit automakers who are now begging Congress for a bailout. But these unions don't just control factories and assembly lines. Our public education system is a slow-motion car crash, driven the same union special interests that brought the auto companies to the brink of bankruptcy.

This insightful new video shows how teachers unions protect bad and incompetent teachers, block school reform efforts, and use their members' dues money to support a radical left-wing agenda.

Compared to other developed countries, the United States has the worst educational quality per dollar spent on schools, ranking 18th in reading and 28th in math. Millions of American children are being shortchanged by dysfunctional schools, but efforts for education reform are invariably stopped by powerful union interests.

These unions fight tooth and nail against any meaningful change to their comfortable status quo - while students and taxpayers pay the price.

After decades of denial, there is a growing realization around the country that teachers unions' defense of the status quo cannot continue. A new generation of reformers, including Michelle Rhee, the chief of public schools in Washington DC, are fighting those unions and pushing for renewed accountability and an end to the broken tenure system.

TeachersUnionFacts.com is a project of the non-profit Center for Union Facts. With your support, we can fix our public schools and expel these special interest groups. Your tax-deductible donation will help us show Americans the truth about today's teachers unions.

Please make a contribution today, and forward this message to your friends, family, and anyone interested in helping take back our schools.

Let's guess where this nugget comes from...Chamber of Commerce or Right to work.com???
It is so good Fascist Mark will not even post where it is from!!:LMAO
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Big labor unions have destroyed countless American industries

Big labor unions have destroyed countless American industries, including the Detroit automakers who are now begging Congress for a bailout. But these unions don't just control factories and assembly lines. Our public education system is a slow-motion car crash, driven the same union special interests that brought the auto companies to the brink of bankruptcy.
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Yes that 12% of the workforce has just destroyed American business!!Hey what ones have they destroyed though is what people want to know??Can you name any????Last I saw the auto industry was thriving after the recession.How about the dot.com bubble??No they was not union but let's just blame them anyway huh Fascist Mark??Yeah sure we will!!
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

Yes that 12% of the workforce has just destroyed American business!!Hey what ones have they destroyed though is what people want to know??Can you name any????Last I saw the auto industry was thriving after the recession.How about the dot.com bubble??No they was not union but let's just blame them anyway huh Fascist Mark??Yeah sure we will!!

I know, I know...the banks and Wall Street!!Yes those damn union workers just destroyed those industries didn't they??Has to be!!:btj:
 
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

steel
automotive
railroads
airlines
education
government workers
longshoremen
coal mines
mariners
textile
most manufacturing...

...all of these industries have been severely hampered and/or wiped out by selfish, greedy, corrupt unions.

Unions are like the Kenyan -- everything they touch turns to crap!

Patriots like Henry Ford built Detroit. The UAW destroyed it. 2938u4ji23
 

tank

EOG Dedicated
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

steel
automotive
railroads
airlines
education
government workers
longshoremen
coal mines
mariners
textile
most manufacturing...

...all of these industries have been severely hampered and/or wiped out by selfish, greedy, corrupt unions.

Unions are like the Kenyan -- everything they touch turns to crap!

Patriots like Henry Ford built Detroit. The UAW destroyed it. 2938u4ji23
Funny but last time I checked they were all doing pretty well.Hey do you live here in America and not see this like everyone else does or are you blind or live in Canada or something??

Textile workers are a thing of the past since they found slave labor over in Asia that is forced to work for pennies!!I bet a Fascist like you loves that huh?
 
Re: Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution (A Forgotten story of American Exceptionalism: small government and no unions)

"My lawyer makes $650 an hour..."


hahahahahahahaha....Without question, the funniest post in quite some time from Joe the Canadian citizen.
 
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