Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

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First tracked in 1955.')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="20">IBB</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Strikeouts')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="21">SO</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Times Hit by a Pitch.')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="22">HBP</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Balks')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="23">BK</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Wild Pitches')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="24">WP</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Batters Faced')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="25">BF</TH><TH class=" hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('ERA+
100*[lg ERA/ERA]
Adjusted to the player?s ballpark(s)')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="26">ERA+</TH><TH class=" sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('(BB + H)/IP
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onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1999</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>.533</TD><TD align=right>3.92</TD><TD align=right>36</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>149.1</TD><TD align=right>156</TD><TD align=right>76</TD><TD align=right>65</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>79</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>668</TD><TD align=right>126</TD><TD align=right>1.574</TD><TD align=right>9.4</TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>4.8</TD><TD align=right>4.9</TD><TD align=right>1.04</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2000 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2000</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>.364</TD><TD align=right>10.64</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>67.2</TD><TD align=right>107</TD><TD align=right>87</TD><TD align=right>80</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>42</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>44</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>349</TD><TD align=right>48</TD><TD align=right>2.202</TD><TD align=right>14.2</TD><TD align=right>1.9</TD><TD align=right>5.6</TD><TD align=right>5.9</TD><TD align=right>1.05</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2001 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2001</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>.625</TD><TD align=right>3.16</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>105.1</TD><TD align=right>97</TD><TD align=right>41</TD><TD align=right>37</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>96</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>432</TD><TD align=right>146</TD><TD align=right>1.158</TD><TD align=right>8.3</TD><TD align=right>0.3</TD><TD align=right>2.1</TD><TD align=right>8.2</TD><TD align=right>3.84</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2002 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2002</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>.731</TD><TD align=right>2.93</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>239.1</TD><TD align=right>223</TD><TD align=right>93</TD><TD align=right>78</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>62</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>168</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>993</TD><TD align=right>158</TD><TD align=right>1.191</TD><TD align=right>8.4</TD><TD align=right>0.4</TD><TD align=right>2.3</TD><TD align=right>6.3</TD><TD align=right>2.71</TD><TD align=left>AS</TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2003 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2003</TD><TD align=right>26</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>.759</TD><TD align=right>3.25</TD><TD align=right>36</TD><TD align=right>36</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>266.0</TD><TD align=right>253</TD><TD align=right>111</TD><TD align=right>96</TD><TD align=right>26</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>204</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>1071</TD><TD align=right>145</TD><TD align=right>1.071</TD><TD align=right>8.6</TD><TD align=right>0.9</TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>6.9</TD><TD align=right>6.38</TD><TD align=left>AS,CYA-1</TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2004 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2004</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>.500</TD><TD align=right>4.20</TD><TD align=right>21</TD><TD align=right>21</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>133.0</TD><TD align=right>140</TD><TD align=right>66</TD><TD align=right>62</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>39</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>95</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>561</TD><TD align=right>115</TD><TD align=right>1.346</TD><TD align=right>9.5</TD><TD align=right>0.9</TD><TD align=right>2.6</TD><TD align=right>6.4</TD><TD align=right>2.44</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2005 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2005</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>.750</TD><TD align=right>2.41</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>141.2</TD><TD align=right>118</TD><TD align=right>39</TD><TD align=right>38</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>108</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>553</TD><TD align=right>184</TD><TD align=right>0.960</TD><TD align=right>7.5</TD><TD align=right>0.7</TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>6.9</TD><TD align=right>6.00</TD><TD align=left>AS</TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2006 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2006</TD><TD align=right>29</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>.762</TD><TD align=right>3.19</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>220.0</TD><TD align=right>208</TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>78</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>132</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>876</TD><TD align=right>143</TD><TD align=right>1.100</TD><TD align=right>8.5</TD><TD align=right>0.8</TD><TD align=right>1.4</TD><TD align=right>5.4</TD><TD align=right>3.88</TD><TD align=left>AS,CYA-3</TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2007 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2007</TD><TD align=right>30</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>.696</TD><TD align=right>3.71</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>225.1</TD><TD align=right>232</TD><TD align=right>101</TD><TD align=right>93</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>48</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>139</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>927</TD><TD align=right>120</TD><TD align=right>1.243</TD><TD align=right>9.3</TD><TD align=right>0.6</TD><TD align=right>1.9</TD><TD align=right>5.6</TD><TD align=right>2.90</TD><TD align=left>CYA-5</TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2008 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2008</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>.645</TD><TD align=right>2.78</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>33</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>246.0</TD><TD align=right>220</TD><TD align=right>88</TD><TD align=right>76</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>39</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>206</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>987</TD><TD align=right>154</TD><TD align=right>1.053</TD><TD align=right>8.0</TD><TD align=right>0.7</TD><TD align=right>1.4</TD><TD align=right>7.5</TD><TD align=right>5.28</TD><TD align=left>AS,CYA-2</TD></TR><TR class=full id=pitching_simple.2009 onmouseover=hl(this); onclick=sum_span(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>2009</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=left>TOR</TD><TD align=left>AL</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>.909</TD><TD align=right>2.52</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>100.0</TD><TD align=right>90</TD><TD align=right>30</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>88</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>391</TD><TD align=right>174</TD><TD align=right>1.020</TD><TD align=right>8.1</TD><TD align=right>0.5</TD><TD align=right>1.1</TD><TD align=right>7.9</TD><TD align=right>7.33</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR></TBODY><TFOOT><TR class=" stat_total" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left colSpan=4>12 Seasons</TD><TD align=right>141</TD><TD align=right>67</TD><TD align=right>.678</TD><TD align=right>3.46</TD><TD align=right>294</TD><TD align=right>268</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>43</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1907.2</TD><TD align=right>1853</TD><TD align=right>818</TD><TD align=right>734</TD><TD align=right>156</TD><TD align=right>432</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>1375</TD><TD align=right>53</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>43</TD><TD align=right>7861</TD><TD align=right>133</TD><TD align=right>1.198</TD><TD align=right>8.7</TD><TD align=right>0.7</TD><TD align=right>2.0</TD><TD align=right>6.5</TD><TD align=right>3.18</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR class="normal_text stat_total" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left colSpan=4>162 Game Avg.</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>.678</TD><TD align=right>3.46</TD><TD align=right>36</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>231</TD><TD align=right>224</TD><TD align=right>99</TD><TD align=right>89</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>52</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>166</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>951</TD><TD align=right>133</TD><TD align=right>1.198</TD><TD align=right>8.7</TD><TD align=right>0.7</TD><TD align=right>2.0</TD><TD align=right>6.5</TD><TD align=right>3.18</TD><TD align=left></TD></TR></TFOOT></TABLE>
 

tripp

EOG Master
Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

He has HOF talent, but didn't put it all together until late in his career so not there yet. He should be eventually though.

His pitching ability right now though is better than the majority in the HOF.
 

Flamingo kid

Everybody's hands go UP!
Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

He's on his way for sure. He just needs to 'stay sound' a few more years to get that job done. The talent is there, he just has to get the longevity part of things.
 

tripp

EOG Master
Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

Late in his career?

Compared to when others start. I think he didn't really get going until he was like 27..could be wrong there. Then you have guys like King Felix starting when they're something like 19, so although Felix may never be as good as Halladay is right now and has been the last 3 or 4 years, he will still likely have more wins than Halladay when he is Doc's age.

Halladay RIGHT NOW might be a top 10 starter of all time. If he were to retire this year I would think of him as one of the greatest of all time, but yet he would miss the HOF easily. That's one of the problems with the HOF. Above average guys that can stay that way a long time will get into the HOF when guys that are the best in the league over a 5 year period could miss it.

Then there's also the huge issue i have with the HOF that the best players aren't even in it and won't get in (bonds, mcgwire, rose, clemens etc.)
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

Compared to when others start. I think he didn't really get going until he was like 27..could be wrong there. Then you have guys like King Felix starting when they're something like 19, so although Felix may never be as good as Halladay is right now and has been the last 3 or 4 years, he will still likely have more wins than Halladay when he is Doc's age.

Halladay RIGHT NOW might be a top 10 starter of all time. If he were to retire this year I would think of him as one of the greatest of all time, but yet he would miss the HOF easily. That's one of the problems with the HOF. Above average guys that can stay that way a long time will get into the HOF when guys that are the best in the league over a 5 year period could miss it.

Then there's also the huge issue i have with the HOF that the best players aren't even in it and won't get in (bonds, mcgwire, rose, clemens etc.)

Bonds: Cheated, didn't need to.
McGwire: Cheated, no way he would have made it without cheating.
Clemens: Cheated in Toronto, falls short if he didn't cheat.
Rose gambled on baseball, enough said.

Halladay's breakout year was at age 25. Barring injury, he has a great chance.
 
Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

Tripp - how old are you? Just wondering, because you think that Halladay is a top-10 starter of all time.
 
Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

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Halladay didn't have his best game - he only struck out three in seven innings and gave up three runs on seven hits. But he now has a 2.53 ERA, 1.07 WHIP and an insane 213/30 K/BB ratio. He's the favorite for the Cy Young and has been worth every penny fantasy owners invested in him.
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Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

If he can get to 250wins and about 2500 k's, it will be close. It all depends on if he can stay healthy for the next several years
 

JHU Dad

EOG Dedicated
Re: Is Doc Halladay a HOF'er?

With that team the wins should pile up. Getting to 300 is no longer the yardstick....love his chances barring injury.
 
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