Obama flip-flops on releasing detainee abuse photos

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[SIZE=+1]Obama Now Objects to Release of Detainee Abuse Photos[/SIZE]

<small> Fox News ^ | 05/13/2009 </small>
<small>Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:04:44 PM by BuckeyeTexan</small>
<small>http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Ebuckeyetexan/</small>
Fox News is reporting that Obama now wants to block the release of detainee abuse photographs taken in Iraq and Afghanistan. The ACLU filed suit to have the photographs released and the Pentagon was about to comply with court orders. Obama met with his legal team to tell them that he does not feel comfortable with the release of those photographs because he believes it could endanger our troops and that the national security implications of releasing the photographs have not been fully presented to the court. At the end of the meeting, Obama directed his legal counsel to object to the immedate release of the photographs on those grounds.
 

brucefan

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[SIZE=+1]Obama Now Objects to Release of Detainee Abuse Photos[/SIZE]

<SMALL>Fox News ^ | 05/13/2009 </SMALL>
<SMALL>Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:04:44 PM by BuckeyeTexan</SMALL>
<SMALL></SMALL>
Fox News is reporting that Obama now wants to block the release of detainee abuse photographs taken in Iraq and Afghanistan. The ACLU filed suit to have the photographs released and the Pentagon was about to comply with court orders. Obama met with his legal team to tell them that he does not feel comfortable with the release of those photographs because he believes it could endanger our troops and that the national security implications of releasing the photographs have not been fully presented to the court. At the end of the meeting, Obama directed his legal counsel to object to the immedate release of the photographs on those grounds.

This is truly going to be a long 4 years as we are dealing with an empty suit, who shows every day that he has no clue.

2348ji23e
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
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Thank Dick Cheney for scaring the living the crap out of Hussein. :thumbsup
It would seem Bush/Cheney era toture/waterboarding supporters should be pleased with Obama trying to avoid releasing photos,or going after top officials responsible.
The Obama segemnt of the ruling elite currently in charge need to walk a tightrope,by seeming to do one thing for their staunchest supporters,while protecting their abilty to carry out the greater publicly undiscussed agenda.
The contradicitons growing ever wider in many areas will spell trouble for the American Empire,and would vex any person in charge.

[SIZE=+2]Obama Channels Cheney [/SIZE]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]By DAVE LINDORFF[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Excerpt below from:[/SIZE][/FONT]
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff05142009.html
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+3]I[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]n reversing himself and declaring that the US government will not release further photos in its possession of torture being practiced on captives held by the US military and the CIA, President Obama is sounding increasingly like the Bush/Cheney administration before him.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]It may well be that, as Obama says, release of those photos could lead to anger in the Islamic world and perhaps to recruitment gains among groups like Al Qaeda that are attacking American troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, but this is only true because at the same time, the Obama administration is opposing taking any legal action against the people who authorized and promoted that torture.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]If the Obama administration were to open a full-scale legal investigation into torture, with an independent prosecutor assigned to go after anyone who violated the Geneva Conventions and the US Criminal Code outlawing torture and the authorization, condoning or covering-up of torture, quite the opposite would happen: people in the Islamic world would see that this nation was coming to terms with those who abused the law.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Torture was a major part of the Bush/Cheney so-called "War" on Terror, and was being conducted on an industrial scale, with White House lawyers providing legal cover, the Secretary of Defense sending memos urging every more aggressive techniques, and government doctors and psychologists working assiduously to make them more "effective."
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The illogic of Obama's position on these photos is stunning. Since we know the photos exist, the refusal to make them public can only feed a sense that they must be worse than the horrific photos of torture at Abu Ghraib Prison which were already released. Nobody is going to assume that the photos in the White House's possession are less offensive than what has already been discovered and made public--for why would the administration be worried about that?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The truth is always better than a cover-up, and what we now have the president advocating is a cover-up of American torture.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]But that's only part of the president's slide into Cheneyism. We have the president now calling for the possible indefinite detention of terror suspects--an idea that only insures that there will always be an incentive for recruiting more terrorists (to avenge those in captivity)--and that makes a joke of our own Constitution, which guarantees everyone--not just citizens--the right to a trial, the right to a presumption of innocence, and protection from "cruel and unusual punishment," which indefinite detention certainly is.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The war in Afghanistan, which now must be called Obama's War, thanks to his policy of escalation, is also becoming Cheneyesque, with the firing of Gen. David McKiernan, and his replacement as head of the Afghanistan War by Gen. Stanley McChrystal. Gen. McChrystal hails from the Special Forces, and played a role in the torture that was integral to the US war and occupation in Iraq. Far from being put in charge of operations in Afghanistan, where public backing for the US military is virtually non-existent at this point, McChrystal should be facing investigation and possible prosecution here at home for his role in torture of captives.[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
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How much Obama really believed he could effect meaningful "Change" is open to debate,what's not is how in office he has to deal realistically with the entire state apparatus,that as a whole pursues its own interests.In the process of dealing with the entrenched government,industry,military apparatus Obama can't help but be coopted by proximity to those instituions and their members.

Obama can't beat the system anymore than anyone else can,though it will decay eventually from within,sooner,or later,to be replaced by another means of organizing people.


 
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Or maybe, just maybe, Hussein (who is a black man, very near the white women) and his fellow intelligent attorney advisers realize that releasing the photos might taint the jury pool in any possible future criminal trial. . .??? Where pretrial publicity has so tainted the jury pool to the point where a fair trial cannot be had, a change of venue, or an extended delay in trial is often granted to the defendant. . .
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
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Shouldn't the supporters of the "war on terror",and the US miltary involvement in Iraq,Afgahnistan,Pakistan,and elsewhere be in aacord with the reason President Obama's giving for not releasing additional torture photos,or pursuing top level prosecutions?
This is an illustration of the current real American political equation anyway:

http://www.pictgrooving.com/2008/07/we-have-one-party-system-folks.php

Excerpt below from:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/may2009/tort-m14.shtml

Obama bows to Republican right
and miltary on torture photos
By Bill Van Auken
14 May 2009

What is to account for the Obama administration?s sudden reversal?
The New York Times cited administration officials arguing that the photographs should be suppressed because ?the missions in both Iraq and Afghanistan were entering risky, new phases. In Iraq, American combat forces are withdrawing from urban areas and are reducing their numbers nationwide. In Afghanistan, more than 20,000 new troops are flowing in to combat an insurgency that has grown in potency.?

Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said Wednesday[5/13/2009]that Generals Raymond Odierno, the US commander in Iraq, David McKiernan, the recently sacked commander in Afghanistan, and David Petraeus, the chief of US Central Command, which oversees both wars, ?have all voiced real concern about this.? He added, ?Particularly in Afghanistan, this is the last thing they need.?
Defense Secretary Robert Gates, appearing before the House Armed Services Committee Wednesday, said that the generals had ?expressed very serious reservations about this and their very, very great worry that release of the photographs will cost American lives. That was all it took for me.?
Obama informed Odierno of his decision at a White House meeting Tuesday, before announcing it to the public.

Thus, Obama bowed to the demands of Gates, Petraeus, Odierno and McKiernan, all of whom were placed in their present positions by the same Bush administration that instituted torture as a standard operation procedure for the military and the CIA.

Even more importantly, Obama?s U-turn on the question of the torture photos has been carried out in the face of a concerted campaign led by former Vice President Dick Cheney to defend torture and portray the new administration?s decision to repudiate ?enhanced interrogation techniques? and to release Justice Department memos justifying torture methods as paving the way for new terrorist attacks.
This has been accompanied by an attempt to justify the crimes of the Bush administration in relation to torture by emphasizing the complicity of key Democrats, particularly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who were briefed on the use of waterboarding and other acts of torture being carried out against detainees and voiced no objection.
This effort has apparently been spearheaded by the CIA itself, which leaked documents detailing the number of briefings provided to members of Congress on the ongoing torture of detainees beginning in 2002.

There is no doubt that Obama is retreating in the face of this offensive by the Republican right and the national security complex. More fundamentally, however, the administration has made it clear from the outset that it has no interest in seeing any serious investigation of the torture carried out under the Bush administration, much less in the prosecution of those who ordered these practices, from Bush, Cheney, Condoleezza Rice and other cabinet members on down.

Its aim is to preserve intact the police-state infrastructure erected by the Bush administration in its ?global war on terror,? while continuing to wage the wars of aggression that the previous government began in Afghanistan and Iraq.
This policy of political cowardice and complicity has inevitably turned Obama himself into a defender of torture, using the same ?national security? arguments as the Bush administration to cover up its crimes.
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
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Or maybe, just maybe, Hussein (who is a black man, very near the white women) and his fellow intelligent attorney advisers realize that releasing the photos might taint the jury pool in any possible future criminal trial. . .??? Where pretrial publicity has so tainted the jury pool to the point where a fair trial cannot be had, a change of venue, or an extended delay in trial is often granted to the defendant. . .
4625;
With all due respect,everyone believes what they want to believe,you and me both.
Maybe,just maybe whether "Hussein"[who is a black man very near the white woman]is irrelevant to the arguement-except to a few outliers,who are stuck in a warped mind.
With all the turmoil America finds itself in Obama and his attorney advisers know it would be counterproductive to launch a divisive trial,and have the damaging inner workings of the American empire exposed.
This kind of complex,wide ranging issue would never be brought before a jury anyway,just like there wasn't a jury during the Nuremberg Trials,and in other war crimes tribunals.Don't expect the US government to convene a hearing to prosecute itself anytime soon.

 
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4625;
With all due respect,everyone believes what they want to believe,you and me both.
Maybe,just maybe whether "Hussein"[who is a black man very near the white woman]is irrelevant to the arguement-except to a few outliers,who are stuck in a warped mind.
With all the turmoil America finds itself in Obama and his attorney advisers know it would be counterproductive to launch a divisive trial,and have the damaging inner workings of the American empire exposed.
This kind of complex,wide ranging issue would never be brought before a jury anyway,just like there wasn't a jury during the Nuremberg Trials,and in other war crimes tribunals.Don't expect the US government to convene a hearing to prosecute itself anytime soon.

Oh, don't misunderstand me; I'm not buying it, just throwing it out there. Plus, it gives me another chance to poke a stick through the cage at some of our trolls. . .12io4j2w90
 
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Scrimmage, I agree our President's skin color is absolutely irrelevant. . .But the "Hussein" and "white women" thing is just another finger in the eye for our forum klansmen. . .I like the knowledge that their backwards-ass hillbilly redneck necks are slightly redder with the thought. . .
 
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Hey Canuck, stick with Canadian Politics.
To Mr. Soli:

The Munchkin Man has news for you.

Joe Contrarian does not take orders from you, nor do you have the authority to give them.

You do not have the power of censorship.

He can discuss the politics of any country he damned well pleases, regardless of his citizenship and nationality.

He has every right to do so, without your harrassment.

You don't count here in the U.S.A.
Your statement above is discriminatory and exclusionary.

Munchkin Man
 
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Scrimmage, I agree our President's skin color is absolutely irrelevant. . .But the "Hussein" and "white women" thing is just another finger in the eye for our forum klansmen.
The Munchkin Man has no knowledge of any "klansmen" on this forum, and neither do you.

Munchkin Man
 
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To Mr. Soli:

The Munchkin Man has news for you.

Joe Contrarian does not take orders from you, nor do you have the authority to give them.

You do not have the power of censorship.

He can discuss the politics of any country he damned well pleases, regardless of his citizenship and nationality.

He has every right to do so, without your harrassment.



Your statement above is discriminatory and exclusionary.

Munchkin Man
only the snitch known as the munchkin man has the power of censorship here. be careful if he doesn't like what you say, he will inform on you to his ex roomate!2938u4ji23
 
#20
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The Munchkin Man has no knowledge of any "klansmen" on this forum, and neither do you.

Munchkin Man
I've previously instructed the poster running the "bit" known as Munchkin Man on the issue of making reasonable inferences from a person's words, actions or conduct. I guess it's true that "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." 12io4j2w90
 
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only the snitch known as the munchkin man has the power of censorship here. be careful if he doesn't like what you say, he will inform on you to his ex roomate!2938u4ji23
The Munchkin Man has no powers of censorship on this forum.

The act of reporting a poster for chronic and habitual rule violations on the EOG Politics and Government Forum is not an act of censorship.

Instead, it is an act of good citizenship, which contributes to the greater good of the fraternity of posters who belong to the EOG community, and who expect civilized discourse and proper etiquette from their fellow members.

Accordingly, the level of civility and personal decorum on this forum has risen, ever since just and appropriate disciplinary action has been taken a certain poster, one who was a habitual offender of EOG's posing rules and guidelines.

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man
 
#22
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I've previously instructed the poster running the "bit" known as Munchkin Man on the issue of making reasonable inferences from a person's words, actions or conduct. I guess it's true that "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." 12io4j2w90
The Munchkin Man has previously instructed Mr. 4625 on the limitations and pitfalls of making "reasonable inferences from a person's words, actions, or conduct" and the faulty conclusions and factual errors which can evolve therefrom.

Indeed, the Munchkin Man agrees with the old adage that "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't mke him drink." 12io4j2w90

Best Wishes,

Munchkin Man
 

soli

EOG Dedicated
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only the snitch known as the munchkin man has the power of censorship here. be careful if he doesn't like what you say, he will inform on you to his ex roomate!2938u4ji23

Who is "Captain Save A Canuck" ex roomate?
 
#25
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I've previously instructed the poster running the "bit" known as Munchkin Man on the issue of making reasonable inferences from a person's words, actions or conduct. I guess it's true that "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." 12io4j2w90
But you can hold its head underwater till it drinks or drowns.
 
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