Screw same-game parlays

Getting so annoyed that half the promos anymore are for bullshit rip off SGPs. All these books with their promos acting like this should be a "feature" that they offer when they are really a joke. Most shamelessly hide the odds of them, but when a book does show them its insanity. Wynn right now if you want to include NE -3.5 is -170/+120. WTF??? How about NE -10.5 is +125/-180. Yet these clown operators during their earnings calls say SGPs will revolutionize sports betting in the US and are expected to drive massive profits. Do yourselves a favor, buy lottery tickets instead is the message I have for them.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
The newbies must be getting fleeced at an unbelievable rate.

States don't need to fund problem gambling, they need to fight unscrupulous operators.
 

Rockfish

EOG Addicted
Newbies need to educate themselves. if i pay more for an identical item that you buy, well then shame on me.
Many don't care what they pay for a computer or a teaser or a parlay. i would love to take their action that is for sure.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Newbies need to educate themselves. if i pay more for an identical item that you buy, well then shame on me.
Many don't care what they pay for a computer or a teaser or a parlay. i would love to take their action that is for sure.

You're right, ROCK.

In the end, it's buyer beware.
 

Rockfish

EOG Addicted
Hey JK, off topic but you mentioned the Peruvian restaurant in CR in another thread the other day. When your back in Costa Rica and if you want to try another Peruvian place. There is on pretty close to where you play hoops in Sabana Park. Machu Picchu is the name. Pretty decent.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Hey JK, off topic but you mentioned the Peruvian restaurant in CR in another thread the other day. When your back in Costa Rica and if you want to try another Peruvian place. There is on pretty close to where you play hoops in Sabana Park. Machu Picchu is the name. Pretty decent.

Got it.

I'm here in Costa Rica now where the weather is warm, the women are hot and my NFL selections remain ice-cold.

I'll try your restaurant recommendation this weekend.

You're one-for-one, ROCK.
 

Rockfish

EOG Addicted
Got it.

I'm here in Costa Rica now where the weather is warm, the women are hot and my NFL selections remain ice-cold.

I'll try your restaurant recommendation this weekend.

You're one-for-one, ROCK.
i am envious. i don't have to tell you how miserable Chicago will be the next four months. At least in CR when you have a bad gambling day you can go out and enjoy the weather and scenery (women). Let me know what you think of Machu Picchu.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
i am envious. i don't have to tell you how miserable Chicago will be the next four months. At least in CR when you have a bad gambling day you can go out and enjoy the weather and scenery (women). Let me know what you think of Machu Picchu.
I’m right across the lake, working on the lake with the wind coming off it really has sucked the last two days.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Getting so annoyed that half the promos anymore are for bullshit rip off SGPs. All these books with their promos acting like this should be a "feature" that they offer when they are really a joke. Most shamelessly hide the odds of them, but when a book does show them its insanity. Wynn right now if you want to include NE -3.5 is -170/+120. WTF??? How about NE -10.5 is +125/-180. Yet these clown operators during their earnings calls say SGPs will revolutionize sports betting in the US and are expected to drive massive profits. Do yourselves a favor, buy lottery tickets instead is the message I have for them.
My friend plays those all the time, don’t think he’s ever hit one.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
i am envious. i don't have to tell you how miserable Chicago will be the next four months. At least in CR when you have a bad gambling day you can go out and enjoy the weather and scenery (women). Let me know what you think of Machu Picchu.

Not a foodie but I enjoy a good meal.

Review coming up in the next 48 hours or so.
 

Rockfish

EOG Addicted
Getting so annoyed that half the promos anymore are for bullshit rip off SGPs. All these books with their promos acting like this should be a "feature" that they offer when they are really a joke. Most shamelessly hide the odds of them, but when a book does show them its insanity. Wynn right now if you want to include NE -3.5 is -170/+120. WTF??? How about NE -10.5 is +125/-180. Yet these clown operators during their earnings calls say SGPs will revolutionize sports betting in the US and are expected to drive massive profits. Do yourselves a favor, buy lottery tickets instead is the message I have for them.
Bill, that is unbelievable that they say that about SGPs during an earnings call. i never heard that. That is beyond laughable. what a joke.
 

Rockfish

EOG Addicted
I’m right across the lake, working on the lake with the wind coming off it really has sucked the last two days.
Fair, you got worse than me in the south suburbs of Chicago. You have those days with the wind off the lake where you will get 15 inches of snow and i will get 5 inches. Good luck to the both of us the next four months.
Hope that JK gets a bad sunburn playing a game of shirts against skins. LOL!
 

Drnkyourmlkshk

EOG Dedicated
Alright wild bill i live in colorado and you complain about books. Heres my worst experience from each Colorado book. I did a podcast interview with rob P this summer discussing some of this but ill share it with why I went to the gaming commission.

Foxbet limited me to 35$ after taking a 4k deposit and taking exactly 6 bets of 400$ each in which I went 3-3.

Pointsbet head trader whos office is downtown (sprots) told me via dm and email to come see him about making a decent sized deposit. He took exactly 13 nba totals and 4 rr's from me before they locked my account and sent a email.

Obviously barstool will take a 6 figure bet on any straight at the counter but they chased off my assistant/partner for making 999$ max non player card bets at the kiosk downstairs. They threatened to ban her from the property after the first warning. Also they 1099 incorrectly.

Mgm 21$ max after 3 weeks of losing mlb bets with +clv

Betfred 30 cent hold minimum on all ml's and -19 on all nba totals but will take a serious bet with no card... exactly once.

Superbook wants to give you a hat and sweatshirt when you first start betting, quickest in person hammer in the state. Two teamer cfb teasers ev-
What a joy until you win a few.
Oh also have to deposit in person to use app with card present.

Circa colorado doesn't let you know what line you are accepting when you hit a steam. Press agree and find out later! Also no true openers we get the numbers at 4pm.. only 5 hours later than nevada. Glad i can see you were only 11 points off on a total.

Ceasars 5k promo find me one person who got the 5k ill show you a ceasars employee. Frank B had 7 people signed up he called uncle after 5 deposits and no dice but at least they call, text and email 20x a day and remove a game from the board if its getting steamed. Put me on the wheel after 2 weeks.


Sbk, skyute, tipico are legit fronts for something else. Sbk had a limit of 167$ on a lakers game the other night, not for me but thats all they want to take from anyone. Tipico 500$ max deposit, what are we even doing?

Nick at monarch means well but he will tell you they want nfl and soft parlay action. I respect them. They tell you what theyll take, and its not much. Theyre fair imo. No game playing.

So thescore was taking a real bet and were slow to move. Like very slow. I bet at 4 offshores everyday and i could bet everywhere and circle back number would be frozen in time for well over a hour. Even major injuries. Their still this way according to db.
Im not gonna go into long details but they mispriced their round robin prices and I ran up a big balance last Jan-Feb. They attempted to only pay me for initial deposited (5k) and 5 straight bets on nba sides. Called me a manipulator.

this is a legal, regulated book who pulled a pph agent trick. They closed my account so i couldn't access it, see the balance and then didn't respond to email for 12 days in which they stated my account was under review. I was distraught tbh. I went to central city and filed a complaint and 48 hours later i got to withdrawl. No email, no apology. Accounts locked still.

Heres the colorado books i recommend in order.
1. Bookmaker.eu
2. Dks just turn off all annoying promos and bet straights 499$ or less on app, 998$ on kiosk no card is fine.
3. Ameristar upstairs right of poker room is good. Downstairs by the steakhouse was always good to me but if you're a 46 yr old asian woman, watch out! Usr counter anytime where morning crew is gone. Avoid card/1099 just terrible policies imo.
4. Circa go nuts on anything and everything after the boards chewed up lol. Jk theyre good guys but if you're hitting anything great early meh imo.
5. Betonline.eu btc deposit/wd only but they take a bet nowadays and are soft w openers.
6. Monarch huge board and kiosks. Not gonna take a ton on cfb or cbb but good book. Limit you sure but never extreme.

Sorry for the novel. Hope this helps all colorado players and maybe others.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Fair, you got worse than me in the south suburbs of Chicago. You have those days with the wind off the lake where you will get 15 inches of snow and i will get 5 inches. Good luck to the both of us the next four months.
Hope that JK gets a bad sunburn playing a game of shirts against skins. LOL!
I’m lucky I’m only 5 minutes from Lake Michigan, too close for the lake effect.

Rail, I would bet if California got sportsbooks, they would be Indian exclusive. Companies will come in and run then for the tribes for a cut.
 
I’m lucky I’m only 5 minutes from Lake Michigan, too close for the lake effect.

Rail, I would bet if California got sportsbooks, they would be Indian exclusive. Companies will come in and run then for the tribes for a cut.
That's up to the voters. That is one of the options on the board, but the nuclear option a few of the big tribal casinos want is no mobile, in person betting only with the caveat that the racetracks can take bets too. There are also some good options there but wait until you see how much the tribal gangsters spend to lie shamelessly about the topic to get the dumb people of California to vote against them. And let's be clear, the more you pay gazillions to tell people such and such is horrible for the state and you should vote no, the more likely voters just vote no on all of them and California gets no sports betting. Tribes wouldn't care one bit if that happens
 
Crazy stuff about CO books. I haven't had anything nearly that bad outside of MGM with the tiny limits and getting smallish limits on props at the Barstool/Churchill/Rivers circle jerk. Never had issues with 1099s and never have bet on a kiosk yet. I was getting limits on promos from WilliamHill and Sportsbetting after hitting each for a couple dimes, but both seemed to forget all that after they rebranded. And I had a few issues very early on bonuses that I sent messages to the DOG about and things got resolved real quick. Having regulators is absolutely huge.

They must have you on some sort of Griffin for sports bettors or maybe I managed to look square in my first bets enough to stay out of trouble. I have followed others advice and done no withdrawals for awhile and it's been pretty uneventful on the banning side for months. I put almost nothing through MGM now and it seems like the limits are creeping up for me too, especially after I dropped $200 more in my account.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
i am envious. i don't have to tell you how miserable Chicago will be the next four months. At least in CR when you have a bad gambling day you can go out and enjoy the weather and scenery (women). Let me know what you think of Machu Picchu.


Machu Picchu is an Incan citadel set high in the Andes Mountains in Peru.

It's also the name of a Peruvian restaurant in San Jose, Costa Rica.

It's located just a short 10-minute walk from La Sabana Park.

ROCK, I went there last night on your recommendation.

In a word, outstanding.

Great food, good service and a pleasant ambience.

I ordered the Pescado Machu Picchu.

Fish and shrimp in a creamy, cheesy sauce.

Dinner cost less than 13,000 colones or about $20.

Well worth it.
 

Sleepy

EOG Master
Not sure why you're having so many issues.

I have never had a problem at Fanduel. I've bet 400 on player props, steam using the kiosk, 2k on FCS games, using the kiosk quad bang the $250 max bet college totals monday mornings. Even bet mistake lines and get paid.
 

MrTop

EOG Master
Alright wild bill i live in colorado and you complain about books. Heres my worst experience from each Colorado book. I did a podcast interview with rob P this summer discussing some of this but ill share it with why I went to the gaming commission.

Foxbet limited me to 35$ after taking a 4k deposit and taking exactly 6 bets of 400$ each in which I went 3-3.

Pointsbet head trader whos office is downtown (sprots) told me via dm and email to come see him about making a decent sized deposit. He took exactly 13 nba totals and 4 rr's from me before they locked my account and sent a email.

Obviously barstool will take a 6 figure bet on any straight at the counter but they chased off my assistant/partner for making 999$ max non player card bets at the kiosk downstairs. They threatened to ban her from the property after the first warning. Also they 1099 incorrectly.

Mgm 21$ max after 3 weeks of losing mlb bets with +clv

Betfred 30 cent hold minimum on all ml's and -19 on all nba totals but will take a serious bet with no card... exactly once.

Superbook wants to give you a hat and sweatshirt when you first start betting, quickest in person hammer in the state. Two teamer cfb teasers ev-
What a joy until you win a few.
Oh also have to deposit in person to use app with card present.

Circa colorado doesn't let you know what line you are accepting when you hit a steam. Press agree and find out later! Also no true openers we get the numbers at 4pm.. only 5 hours later than nevada. Glad i can see you were only 11 points off on a total.

Ceasars 5k promo find me one person who got the 5k ill show you a ceasars employee. Frank B had 7 people signed up he called uncle after 5 deposits and no dice but at least they call, text and email 20x a day and remove a game from the board if its getting steamed. Put me on the wheel after 2 weeks.


Sbk, skyute, tipico are legit fronts for something else. Sbk had a limit of 167$ on a lakers game the other night, not for me but thats all they want to take from anyone. Tipico 500$ max deposit, what are we even doing?

Nick at monarch means well but he will tell you they want nfl and soft parlay action. I respect them. They tell you what theyll take, and its not much. Theyre fair imo. No game playing.

So thescore was taking a real bet and were slow to move. Like very slow. I bet at 4 offshores everyday and i could bet everywhere and circle back number would be frozen in time for well over a hour. Even major injuries. Their still this way according to db.
Im not gonna go into long details but they mispriced their round robin prices and I ran up a big balance last Jan-Feb. They attempted to only pay me for initial deposited (5k) and 5 straight bets on nba sides. Called me a manipulator.

this is a legal, regulated book who pulled a pph agent trick. They closed my account so i couldn't access it, see the balance and then didn't respond to email for 12 days in which they stated my account was under review. I was distraught tbh. I went to central city and filed a complaint and 48 hours later i got to withdrawl. No email, no apology. Accounts locked still.

Heres the colorado books i recommend in order.
1. Bookmaker.eu
2. Dks just turn off all annoying promos and bet straights 499$ or less on app, 998$ on kiosk no card is fine.
3. Ameristar upstairs right of poker room is good. Downstairs by the steakhouse was always good to me but if you're a 46 yr old asian woman, watch out! Usr counter anytime where morning crew is gone. Avoid card/1099 just terrible policies imo.
4. Circa go nuts on anything and everything after the boards chewed up lol. Jk theyre good guys but if you're hitting anything great early meh imo.
5. Betonline.eu btc deposit/wd only but they take a bet nowadays and are soft w openers.
6. Monarch huge board and kiosks. Not gonna take a ton on cfb or cbb but good book. Limit you sure but never extreme.

Sorry for the novel. Hope this helps all colorado players and maybe others.






this is so scary . Just think if you could not say anything to the CCC what they would try.
 

Rockfish

EOG Addicted
My only complaint at Machu Picchu: I needed a dinner roll to really clean the plate.
You beat me to it. when i saw the second picture of the empty plate i thought i would have made that plate look clean with some bread.

JK you are the Man of international basketball pick up games. One day you are hooping it up with the brothers on the south side of Chicago and the next day playing with the Ticos of Costa Rica. You get around.
 

Rockfish

EOG Addicted
they don't even know how much power they have. If they ever find out WOW !
i hope you are joking with that statement.
The Indian tribes have a monopoly on casinos in the first and third largest states in the country along with numerous other casinos all across the country. They spend hundreds of millions lobbying and making contributions to political campaigns.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
You beat me to it. when i saw the second picture of the empty plate i thought i would have made that plate look clean with some bread.

JK you are the Man of international basketball pick up games. One day you are hooping it up with the brothers on the south side of Chicago and the next day playing with the Ticos of Costa Rica. You get around.

The black brothers on the South Side can play.

The brown brothers in Costa Rica, not so much.

Thanks for the dining recommendation, ROCK.
 

MrTop

EOG Master
i hope you are joking with that statement.
The Indian tribes have a monopoly on casinos in the first and third largest states in the country along with numerous other casinos all across the country. They spend hundreds of millions lobbying and making contributions to political campaigns.




that is nothing what we took from them.
 
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