Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

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As NFL Talks Collapse, Players Disband Union

Fight Headed to Courts as Two Sides Remain Far Apart

By MATTHEW FUTTERMAN

The National Football League descended Friday into turmoil as negotiations between owners and players broke off, setting up a potentially lengthy court battle that could have serious consequences for both the league and the sports business in general.

After spending seven-plus hours negotiating in Washington, D.C., in a 17th day of mediation, leaders of the NFL and the players union said late Friday afternoon that talks had stalled and blamed the other side for the meltdown.

Shortly thereafter the union filed paperwork to decertify and ten players, including stars Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, filed an antitrust lawsuit against the league. The suit seeks to prevent the owners from locking out the players. Owners said Friday evening they hadn't yet decided whether to lock out the players.

"Significant differences remain," said DeMaurice Smith, the union's executive director.

"We worked hard," said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who dismissed the players' litigation. "Ultimately this is going to be negotiated."

The onset of litigation sends a business that has long prided itself on stability into a rare period of uncertainty at a time of record popularity and revenues.

The logjam leaves up in the air the future of the NFL, a $9.3 billion-a-year juggernaut. A work stoppage would cost both sides hundreds of millions of dollars and could cause the cancellation of games later this year for the first time since 1987.

Decertifying as a union allows the players to sue the NFL on antitrust grounds. Such litigation is not allowed during collective bargaining.

The players' suit was filed in Minnesota before U.S. District Judge David Doty, who presides over the legal issues between the union representing 1,700 players and the 32 team owners.

For the union, heading to court moves the disagreement to what has
been a friendly venue. After a lengthy lawsuit two decades ago, Judge Doty granted the players free agency. That ruling ultimately led to the current collective bargaining agreement and nearly two decades of labor peace. The players have won more victories in Judge Doty's courtroom than they have lost.

John Mara, co-owner of the New York Giants, said going to court was the union's strategy all along. "The union's position on core economic issues has not changed one iota," Mr. Mara said. "Their objective was to go to litigation."

However, the strategy isn't without risks. Litigation could lead to a lengthy work stoppage. If that happens, the players will have to do something they have never done before?hold firm and endure more than just a few weeks of missed paychecks.

Sports labor veterans say that will be the ultimate test for the union and its leader Mr. Smith, who has been on the job less than two years and has no previous experience in labor fights.

NFL players are different than other professional athletes because their careers are decidedly shorter, just 3.5 years on average. Missing a season, or even half a season, means giving up a significant portion of the amount of money they will earn.

What became clear late Friday is that the two sides are far apart not only in their proposals but in their interpretation of the proposals.

Jeff Pash, the league's lead negotiator, said owners had offered to keep player pay at 2009 levels and raise it by $20 million per club over the next four years. The NFL season would remain at 16 games for the next two years, but then could expand to 18 games. Off season and pre-season workouts would be cut. Retirement and health care benefits would improve and contracts could be guaranteed beyond one year.

Jim Quinn, a lead negotiator for the union, said the owners' proposal would have rolled back player pay to 2007 levels and amounted to a giveback of up to $8 billion over the course of the proposed 10-year deal. In addition, he said a flat salary cap would be imposed at $130 million, as the league would move away from basing player compensation on the percentage of revenues.

Write to Matthew Futterman at matthew.futterman@wsj.com
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

The players and owners are making millions!!:houraI would love to hear what Deport the Fascist has for the answer to this one.Maybe the players could play for minimum wage for the ''cause''??Would the sport be better if the owners made a few more million??They are going broke after all right Deport??:LMAO
 
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Union greed has ruined pro sports.

Most parents can't even afford to take their kids to a pro sports game anymore, it's all corporate boxes and seating now, thanks to union greed and their ridiculous player salaries inflating ticket and concession prices. Many franchises in pro sports are operating in the red, courtesy of union greed.

This is why college sports are exploding in popularity, reasonably affordable and ten times more fun to watch than pro sports.

The solution is always the same: get rid of the corrupt unions destroying the fabric of yet another industry.
 

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

The average fan cant relate to this nonsense when there is this much money to divide up

Having said that, since there is a business here that has to make a profit, they need to work this out, and both sides have risk and reward

I have no problem with any private sector union, as long as the govt doesnt get involved to bail them out when they fail!

Public Unions however ............2348ji23e
 
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The average fan cant relate to this nonsense when there is this much money to divide up

Having said that, since there is a business here that has to make a profit, they need to work this out, and both sides have risk and reward

I have no problem with any private sector union, as long as the govt doesnt get involved to bail them out when they fail!

Public Unions however ............2348ji23e
If I was a franchise owner in pro sports and my business was losing was money, I'd lobby the league to shut down until the deck was cleared to operate in a more "business-friendly" environment.

In theory, there is nothing wrong with collective bargaining. In practice, however, there are too many GOVERNMENT laws and regulations siding with BIG LABOR skewing the balance of power to the detriment of any industry shackled by these greedy mafioso thugs and goons.
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

Union greed has ruined pro sports.

Most parents can't even afford to take their kids to a pro sports game anymore, it's all corporate boxes and seating now, thanks to union greed and their ridiculous player salaries inflating ticket and concession prices. Many franchises in pro sports are operating in the red, courtesy of union greed.

This is why college sports are exploding in popularity, reasonably affordable and ten times more fun to watch than pro sports.

The solution is always the same: get rid of the corrupt unions destroying the fabric of yet another industry.
How many football teams are in the red Deport?You do know about revenue sharing that the crappy teams that put a bad product on the field get do you not??
Get back to your good product mantra that you preach.Whatever you do don't blame the owners who put a shit team out there, just keep blaming the unions.
I'll give you a hint.....they both like higher prices and the revenue they get but keep thinking it is all the unions fault and if it wasn't for unions the price of a ticket would drop dramatically.After all those teams that have sell outs all the time usually put a shit team out there right??
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

The average fan cant relate to this nonsense when there is this much money to divide up

Having said that, since there is a business here that has to make a profit, they need to work this out, and both sides have risk and reward

I have no problem with any private sector union, as long as the govt doesnt get involved to bail them out when they fail!

Public Unions however ............2348ji23e
Well said!!That is why they all have revenue sharing since they know crappy teams cannot compete but they cannot let them go under either.Most of them are building new stadiums for a reason .
 

tank

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If I was a franchise owner in pro sports and my business was losing was money, I'd lobby the league to shut down until the deck was cleared to operate in a more "business-friendly" environment.

In theory, there is nothing wrong with collective bargaining. In practice, however, there are too many GOVERNMENT laws and regulations siding with BIG LABOR skewing the balance of power to the detriment of any industry shackled by these greedy mafioso thugs and goons.
With the T.V contract alone no team will ever lose money.Get out of fantasy land.I can just see the owners saying no to the T.V revenue and merchandise sales that make them billions.:LMAOOf course that jersey he makes money off of will not have any players name or number on it.:LMAO
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

Union greed has ruined pro sports.

Most parents can't even afford to take their kids to a pro sports game anymore, it's all corporate boxes and seating now, thanks to union greed and their ridiculous player salaries inflating ticket and concession prices. Many franchises in pro sports are operating in the red, courtesy of union greed.
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I have heard it all now!!If it wasn't for the unions there would be no corporate seating according to Deport.:houra:LMAOOf course if the unions were not there they would drop the price of their seat too right??They just want lower ticket prices and do not want to make as much as they can off those tickets.:LMAO
 
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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

College sports have the same efficient corporate structure and revenue streams (massive TV contracts, apparel sponsorships, large stadiums etc.) as pro sports, yet they are thriving because they don't have to deal with union greed (ridiculous artificially inflated salaries, work stoppages etc.). Every sports analyst agrees salaries in pro sports are out of control. Once Big Labor started grabbing pro sports by the scruff of the neck, salaries exploded, and treating a pro sporting event like a night at the movies for the avg. family (the real fans of any sport) pretty much became a thing of a past.

The solution is to get rid of these greedy, corrupt unions and go back to paying players a fair market wage based on their performance on the field. If the big stars want to leverage their fame into huge income streams, they can do so with sponsorship deals, sports cards etc. From a business sense, Nike can afford to pay Lebron 200 million dollars, however individual franchises (and their fans) cannot. Moreover, just because Lebron is worth 200 million dollars in advertising, doesn't mean a player half as good is worth 100 million. That's not how the market works, yet this is exactly how greedy unions and their player agents demand owners run their franchises.

As always, unions are the culprit for pro sports ending up in the toilet. Eventually, unions will bankrupt all pro sports with their greed and work stoppages, like they do every industry.
 
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I have heard it all now!!If it wasn't for the unions there would be no corporate seating according to Deport.:houra:LMAOOf course if the unions were not there they would drop the price of their seat too right??They just want lower ticket prices and do not want to make as much as they can off those tickets.:LMAO
College sports have massive TV contracts and are arguably more popular than pro sports, yet the average low earning college kid can easily afford to attend, even if he purchases his tickets in an inflated (scalper's) market.

The reason? Union greed.

Tank Moore's response: EVERYONE ELSE'S SHIT STINKS EXCEPT UNIONS!! UNIONS ARE HOLY!! UNIONS CAN DO NO WRONG!!! CORPORATIONS ARE GREEDY!! blah blah blah...

:whining:
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

College sports have massive TV contracts and are arguably more popular than pro sports, yet the average low earning college kid can easily afford to attend, even if he purchases his tickets at inflated scalper's prices.

The reason? Union greed.

Tank Moore's response: EVERYONE ELSE'S SHIT STINKS EXCEPT UNIONS!! UNIONS ARE HOLY!! UNIONS CAN DO NO WRONG!!! CORPORATIONS ARE GREEDY!! blah blah blah...

:whining:
You really are beyond stupid.PST.....who owns the college team??????????????????????????:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAONice comparison.
BTW college kids get reduced tickets too!!:LMAOAnd yes of course the players who do not get paid do it for the Fascist cause right deport??:LMAOThey sure as Hell do not want to be good so they can make millions in the pro's or that would go against the Fascist manifesto wouldn't it??
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

College sports have the same efficient corporate structure and revenue streams (massive TV contracts, apparel sponsorships, large stadiums etc.) as pro sports, yet they are thriving because they don't have to deal with union greed (ridiculous artificially inflated salaries, work stoppages etc.). Every sports analyst agrees salaries in pro sports are out of control. Once Big Labor started grabbing pro sports by the scruff of the neck, salaries exploded, and treating a pro sporting event like a night at the movies for the avg. family (the real fans of any sport) pretty much became a thing of a past.

The solution is to get rid of these greedy, corrupt unions and go back to paying players a fair market wage based on their performance on the field. If the big stars want to leverage their fame into huge income streams, they can do so with sponsorship deals, sports cards etc. From a business sense, Nike can afford to pay Lebron 200 million dollars, however individual franchises (and their fans) cannot. Moreover, just because Lebron is worth 200 million dollars in advertising, doesn't mean a player half as good is worth 100 million. That's not how the market works, yet this is exactly how greedy unions and their player agents demand owners run their franchises.

As always, unions are the culprit for pro sports ending up in the toilet. Eventually, unions will bankrupt all pro sports with their greed and work stoppages, like they do every industry.
Of course the colleges are just like the corporations except one small problem.......the TAXPAYERS are the real owners!!!!!Just when I thought you could not get any dumber you amaze me again.Now of course if we paid the college player then that would make them paid athletes and they could not play college but don't let me get in your way of making a fool of yourself. :shoot:please carry on...this is getting funnier by the minute.
 
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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

Btw, golf and tennis are two more work stoppage-free sports thriving without union greed and corruption. :thumbsup
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

Btw, golf and tennis are two more work stoppage-free sports thriving without union greed and corruption. :thumbsup
:LMAOYour killing me with laughter!!!!!And what league or teams do they compete with or play on????:LMAO
But seriously you are getting close to the answer but that would go against your blame the union Fascist talking points.Think Deport think.
 

tank

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If I was a franchise owner in pro sports and my business was losing was money, I'd lobby the league to shut down until the deck was cleared to operate in a more "business-friendly" environment.
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They tried that with scabs in 1987 remember??How did that work out when no one bought tickets or watched it??:LMAOThose number 66 Joe Contrarian jerseys sure were hot sellers too right?:LMAO
 

tank

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Re: Unreal! Unions screw up another industry, this time the NFL!

America's Highest Ticket Prices

Hmmm, that's strange. Every sports ticket on that list has been hijacked by union greed.

No golf, tennis, NASCAR, college sports, or other non-union sports with same revenue streams.

NO UNIONS :beautiful:
Thanks for proving my point for me.Now how many of those teams are losing money for extra credit??
Please compare ticket sales for golf and tennis combined against baseball alone.:houraHell throw Nascar and bowling in there too if you want.Yeah it's union greed and the poor owners are losing money and just going along with it right??What a nutcase to think this way!!Unreal!!
Now if we could just get people to quit buying those tickets we would be in Fascist heaven right Joe??:btj:
 
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