Heisenberg posted a report. He can't even past post a solution yet he thinks the President was wrong.
Your Level of Concern About the Coronavirus......on a scale of 1-10
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From The Hill today, a very conservative outlet:
The Trump administration ignored a pandemic warning from White House economists who published a study estimating possible effects of a pandemic in September, according to a New York Times report.
The White House study reportedly cautioned that a pandemic, like the coronavirus outbreak the world is now facing, could cause the deaths of a half-million Americans and cost the economy as much as $3.8 trillion. The study contradicts what administration officials have repeatedly said about the coronavirus coming out of nowhere and causing unforeseen devastation to the U.S. economy, the Times noted.
The 2019 study was ordered by the National Security Council, two people familiar with the matter told the newspaper, which added that it warned officials not to conflate the risks of the annual flu with a potential pandemic.
Administration officials, including President Trump, had downplayed the coronavirus, comparing it to the flu.
Its authors estimated a pandemic could force economic activity to drop by $36 billion per week. But if officials did nothing to contain the virus, the country could lose $13 trillion, or two-thirds of what the U.S. was projected to generate this year.
The U.S. has confirmed more than 189,600 cases of the virus and 4,081 deaths. Public health officials have estimated the coronavirus could kill between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans.
Heisenberg- what did he do wrong? All you do is complain without saying what the President did wrong. What should he have done?
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The resident dildocrat won't respond in kind b/c he's not capable of independent thinking other than fuck the usa.
The whole report talks about the costs to produce a fast vaccine.
He just complains. It's after the fact and he still can't tell us exactly what Trump should have done.
cheapseats
EOG Master
Negative after thought won't get it, so he STFU.
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Besides firing the pandemic team two years ago trump shouldn’t have been publicly stating nonsense a month ago telling people it was no different from the flu and that in a couple of days not said the cases would be down to zero. He ignored a pandemic and didn’t take it seriously if you want to take him at his word. You think shipping PPE supplies from this country to China was smart strategy for his “trade war”?
You should try backing up your arguments with source-able facts. It would make your debating much less ineffective and immature
Again, what exactly would you have done? You can't even past post a solution. You showed a report that talks $. .
Heisenberg - don't complain. Just say exactly what you would have done.
everyone that lost their job will blame trump in november......... look for biden to hand the ball off to andrew cuomo of NY
Example to help out. Sea/NE superbowl. They should have given the ball to Lynch instead of throwing.
cheapseats
EOG Master
Here, here, parrot. Answer raiders questions.
cheapseats
EOG Master
Heisenberg wanna cracker.
kane
EOG master
I wouldn't have fired the pandemic team 2 years ago like Trump did
kane
EOG master
When my intelligence agencies warned me in January that the virus in China would eventually reach us, I would have listened to them and started preparing immediately, had Trump done what I would have done, we'd be in a better situation right now
kane
EOG master
Knowing what was headed our way, I wouldn't have sent China 17 tons of PPE, leaving our own nurses and doctors short of those much needed supplies
kane
EOG master
I would have listened to my health experts, so I wouldn't have told the American people that this virus is the same as the flu, so people would have taken it more seriously from the start
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Complete and Total Failure by Obama.
Many Lives Lost.
Had Seven Years To Replace the Supplies that were used.
He was to busy taking care of the Muslim Brothers in IRAN.
kane
EOG master
I wouldn't have told the American people that one day like a miracle it would just disappear, unfortunately by the president saying this, a lot of people didn't take it seriously
Did you listen to Birx today? They got bad information out of China......If you were the President, when would you have put the China ban in place?
cheapseats
EOG Master
Fact, Pelosi, Schiff and all the cult following were busy running a scam when 19 first broke. Why, apparently having your way is more important than looking the other way at illness and death all to further the sick democrat agenda of big government.
People still aren't taking it serious and Trump has been warning us for a long time. Without police intervention, people would still be out in droves. You are reaching for something to pin on Trump and haven't found anything yet.
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Their Facts always turn out to be FAKE NEWS !
TRUMP/RUSSIAN Collusion.
As Roger Daltrey use to sing; WE WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN !
It's unbelievable how they tried to use coronavirus to advance their agenda.
kane
EOG master
I would have instituted social distancing ealrier than Trump did
505 in NY!
Show us where someone proposed this idea prior to Trump?
505 NY
88 NJ
78 MI
88 NJ
78 MI
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EOG Master
16 states 0 or 1 death.
Speak up now. Would you allow these states to stay open?
Speak up now. Would you allow these states to stay open?
The Facts
The National Security Council staff is supposed to help the president coordinate the government response to international crises and homeland security issues, by identifying emerging problems and making sure Cabinet agencies and other departments are working cooperatively.
After Barack Obama became president in 2009, he eliminated the White House Health and Security Office, which worked on international health issues. But after grappling with the 2014 Ebola epidemic, Obama in 2016 established a Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense at the NSC. A directorate has its own staff, and it is headed by someone who generally reports to the national security adviser.
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The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.
Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense. Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.
Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack. Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.
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Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.
“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”
As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.
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“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”
Critics say the changes were shortsighted in the long run. Ron Klain, the Ebola “czar” appointed by Obama and a Biden campaign adviser, said biodefense and pandemic prevention require different skill sets and expertise. He said the move was akin to terminating the fire department chief and putting the firefighters in the police department. “The next time you have a fire, they will send a police car with a couple of firefighters in the back,” he said.
“A pandemic is an odd policy challenge because it straddles a lot of other things,” said Jeremy Konyndyk, who served in the Obama administration, citing global health; diplomacy; domestic health policy; border and travel controls; foreign aid; and chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and explosive materials threats. “But it is always a subordinate priority in any of those other streams, which leads to a fragmented and disconnected policy process.”
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“During the Ebola operation, we really struggled with initially a lot of kind of bifurcation within the national security staff, between the international side and the domestic side, between the health people and the disaster people,” Konyndyk said. “And so the different elements of that Ebola response didn’t roll up together into a coherent whole until Ron Klain was appointed as the Ebola czar.”
“I accept the proposition that it is hard to know whether things would have been different if the right structure had been in place,” Klain said. “But without the right structure, there was zero chance it was going to work.”
One key issue during such reorganizations is whether policy expertise is maintained. Anthony Ruggiero, the current senior director for weapons of mass destruction and biodefense, has a background mostly in North Korea policy, for instance.
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Luciana Borio, the previous director for medical and biodefense preparedness, is a practicing medical doctor and has an extensive background in medical health preparedness.
Borio left the NSC in March 2019 and in recent months has co-written a series of farsighted articles on how to prepare for the pandemic. “Act now to prevent an American epidemic,” which appeared in the Wall Street Journal on Jan. 28, warned there would be a shortage of tests unless the private sector was involved. The White House would not confirm the name of Borio’s replacement.
Without the right expertise, an official may not know the right questions — the hard questions — to ask of their counterparts in other agencies, who are often subject matter experts themselves.
“The NSC doesn’t make policy but it does (and must) make sure that the Department-level policymakers are focused on the right questions and understanding the landscape beyond just their own agencies’ perspectives,” Konyndyk said. “In this case the questions were pretty obvious and straightforward to anyone with outbreak experience: could a Wuhan-like outbreak happen here (Yes), are we ready for that (No), what are agencies doing to prepare the country for that contingency while working to avert it (not much, as it has turned out).”
AD
The National Security Council staff is supposed to help the president coordinate the government response to international crises and homeland security issues, by identifying emerging problems and making sure Cabinet agencies and other departments are working cooperatively.
After Barack Obama became president in 2009, he eliminated the White House Health and Security Office, which worked on international health issues. But after grappling with the 2014 Ebola epidemic, Obama in 2016 established a Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense at the NSC. A directorate has its own staff, and it is headed by someone who generally reports to the national security adviser.
AD
The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.
Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense. Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.
Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack. Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.
AD
Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.
“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”
As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.
AD
“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”
Critics say the changes were shortsighted in the long run. Ron Klain, the Ebola “czar” appointed by Obama and a Biden campaign adviser, said biodefense and pandemic prevention require different skill sets and expertise. He said the move was akin to terminating the fire department chief and putting the firefighters in the police department. “The next time you have a fire, they will send a police car with a couple of firefighters in the back,” he said.
“A pandemic is an odd policy challenge because it straddles a lot of other things,” said Jeremy Konyndyk, who served in the Obama administration, citing global health; diplomacy; domestic health policy; border and travel controls; foreign aid; and chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and explosive materials threats. “But it is always a subordinate priority in any of those other streams, which leads to a fragmented and disconnected policy process.”
AD
“During the Ebola operation, we really struggled with initially a lot of kind of bifurcation within the national security staff, between the international side and the domestic side, between the health people and the disaster people,” Konyndyk said. “And so the different elements of that Ebola response didn’t roll up together into a coherent whole until Ron Klain was appointed as the Ebola czar.”
“I accept the proposition that it is hard to know whether things would have been different if the right structure had been in place,” Klain said. “But without the right structure, there was zero chance it was going to work.”
One key issue during such reorganizations is whether policy expertise is maintained. Anthony Ruggiero, the current senior director for weapons of mass destruction and biodefense, has a background mostly in North Korea policy, for instance.
AD
Luciana Borio, the previous director for medical and biodefense preparedness, is a practicing medical doctor and has an extensive background in medical health preparedness.
Borio left the NSC in March 2019 and in recent months has co-written a series of farsighted articles on how to prepare for the pandemic. “Act now to prevent an American epidemic,” which appeared in the Wall Street Journal on Jan. 28, warned there would be a shortage of tests unless the private sector was involved. The White House would not confirm the name of Borio’s replacement.
Without the right expertise, an official may not know the right questions — the hard questions — to ask of their counterparts in other agencies, who are often subject matter experts themselves.
“The NSC doesn’t make policy but it does (and must) make sure that the Department-level policymakers are focused on the right questions and understanding the landscape beyond just their own agencies’ perspectives,” Konyndyk said. “In this case the questions were pretty obvious and straightforward to anyone with outbreak experience: could a Wuhan-like outbreak happen here (Yes), are we ready for that (No), what are agencies doing to prepare the country for that contingency while working to avert it (not much, as it has turned out).”
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EOG Master
Hiring or firing people prior to the outbreak has nothing to do with containing the virus. As soon as the first death occurred in the US, Trump created the coronavirus task force and then banned flight from China against the wishes of the democrats.
boston massacre
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The Chinese Doctor who got infected in China, said the virus is Not a Hoax.
Once he announced that to the World, The Chinese Government Murdered Him.
cheapseats
EOG Master
And they called it xenophobia, one of their favorite phobia, supposedly shock word. The left realize their idiotic phobia words have run their course.