WILL BIG BROWN WIN THE TRIPLE CROWN???

The Devil

EOG Master
2 LEGS DOWN.........BUT MANY HAVE GOT TO THE BELMONT WINNING THE DERBY AND PREAKNESS ONLY TO FALL IN THE 1 1/2 MILE BELMONT..............

BIG BROWN HAD A REAL EASY TRIP IN THE PREAKNESS.........HE CAN BE RATED........HE WILL HAVE 3 WEEKS OFF.............

PREDICTION........HE WINS GOING AWAY.................
 

rainbow

EOG Master
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2 LEGS DOWN.........BUT MANY HAVE GOT TO THE BELMONT WINNING THE DERBY AND PREAKNESS ONLY TO FALL IN THE 1 1/2 MILE BELMONT..............

BIG BROWN HAD A REAL EASY TRIP IN THE PREAKNESS.........HE CAN BE RATED........HE WILL HAVE 3 WEEKS OFF.............

PREDICTION........HE WINS GOING AWAY.................
AGREED.
 

royboy

EOG Dedicated
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yes... i know 3 races in 5 weeks is extremely tough, but kent left some in the tank during the final eighth today. i think he beats casino drive in 3 weeks, this horse is special.
 
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Can Big Brown eclipse [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Secratariat by winning by more than 31 lengths?
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Reno Paul

EOG Dedicated
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A good horse from Japan is supposed to be at the Belmont providing Big Brown won at the Preekness in which he did. Japan horses are trained to run at longer distances. I'd like to see a Triple Crown winner.
 

Doc Mercer

EOG Master
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Shrink:

Obama wins unless Rove has him killed or Diebold does their "magic" like they
did in Ohio with Smart Tech servers that fateful nite in Ohio in 2004 ...

Huckabee joking about Obama getting killed is an indicator the GOP might
be planning another "Wellstone Accident" as the Gravy Train the Ultra Rich
and Corporations have had under Bush comes to a screeching halt if
Obama gets the WH
 
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horse racing needs a great story right about now

Big Brown winning the Triple Crown will not have the positive impact everyone thinks if it happens. I would say it causes even more negative stories for horse racing about horses being given drugs, steroids, etc.
 

trytrytry

All I do is trytrytry
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Big Brown winning the Triple Crown will not have the positive impact everyone thinks if it happens. I would say it causes even more negative stories for horse racing about horses being given drugs, steroids, etc.


interesting sort of the Barry Bonds syndrome.

interesting take...
 

trytrytry

All I do is trytrytry
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also what is helping horse racing and the attention it does get is the chase for the Crown the buzz becasue it is so hard...every 20-30 years is perfect but the sport does actually need one here and there!
 

Angelsfire

EOG Dedicated
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I think he will win. Will be the first to sweep Kentucky Durby..
Big Brown nets Preakness rout, sets sights on the Triple Crown
By Reid Cherner, USA TODAY
BALTIMORE — Saturday's Preakness Stakes proved two things.
Big Brown is a legitimate Triple Crown horse. And it is possible for 112,000 people to watch a horse race holding their breath for almost two minutes.
Racing has a new superstar who could become the first to sweep the Kentucky Derby, Preakness and Belmont since Affirmed in 1978. Eight horses have won the first two since then but all failed in the Belmont.
And perhaps most important for racing, officials and fans could let out a sigh of relief as the Preakness was a race in which no horses were injured.
For the whole story and more go to..
Big Brown nets Preakness rout, sets sights on the Triple Crown - USATODAY.com
 
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Even though I think there are negative possibilities like the steroids and such, I also don't know if a Triple Crown winner will do as much for the sport as people think it will. Wherever Big Brown races after that, it will sure to be a top draw but that's about it. It doesn't really help the run of the mill weekday grind of racing where tracks can barely draw anyone. Giveaway promotion days at some tracks may even still outdraw a Big Brown appearance. And who knows how much longer they would race him anyway. Why risk injuries/death when there are huge stud fees at stake.

Sorry for being negative here but I am trying to bring things out that most people are not really thinking about.
 

Angelsfire

EOG Dedicated
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I read the stud fees for Big Brown were 50 million (Owners did not confirm the figure) Worth a lot more alive then shot Forsure..
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
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Big Brown winning the Triple Crown will not have the positive impact everyone thinks if it happens. I would say it causes even more negative stories for horse racing about horses being given drugs, steroids, etc.

Reload is taking dirty's place as EOG's most idiotic moderator.

Just the fact that BB is running for the TC in the Belmont in 3 weeks is having a huge positive impact on horseracing, if he wins it is just more of a positive effect....this is not even debatable!

And there will be negative stories about horseracing whether BB wins or not....it has nothing to do with BB and everything to do with the media who live to write negative stories. For instance, you and the media apparently consider steroids in horseracing a negative story...but why? Dutrow admittedly gives all his horses a monthly shot of steroids(Winstriol) on the 15th of each month and it's perfectly legal in 28 out of 38 states where racing is allowed. So why exactly is this a negative story?

And then in a later post you tried to make the point that tracks can not draw large crowds like they used to as somehow being a negative for horseracing. HELLO!!!! Earth to Reload...the world has changed in the last 50 years or so....I used to go to the track all the time when I was younger, I had to go there if I wanted to bet the ponies. But now I rarely go because I don't have to; there are so many other options, internet, OTB's, Vegas and Indian Casinos, where I can bet the ponies. Horseracing is doing just fine with or without a BB Triple Crown, but no one could rationally argue that winning the TC would not be a good thing for horseracing. But that doesn't stop you, dirty, errr, reload, from making your specious argument.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
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This will be the closest I ever come to agreeing with a pioneer post so figured I might as well chime in.
 
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Reload is taking dirty's place as EOG's most idiotic moderator.

Just the fact that BB is running for the TC in the Belmont in 3 weeks is having a huge positive impact on horseracing, if he wins it is just more of a positive effect....this is not even debatable!

And there will be negative stories about horseracing whether BB wins or not....it has nothing to do with BB and everything to do with the media who live to write negative stories. For instance, you and the media apparently consider steroids in horseracing a negative story...but why? Dutrow admittedly gives all his horses a monthly shot of steroids(Winstriol) on the 15th of each month and it's perfectly legal in 28 out of 38 states where racing is allowed. So why exactly is this a negative story?

And then in a later post you tried to make the point that tracks can not draw large crowds like they used to as somehow being a negative for horseracing. HELLO!!!! Earth to Reload...the world has changed in the last 50 years or so....I used to go to the track all the time when I was younger, I had to go there if I wanted to bet the ponies. But now I rarely go because I don't have to; there are so many other options, internet, OTB's, Vegas and Indian Casinos, where I can bet the ponies. Horseracing is doing just fine with or without a BB Triple Crown, but no one could rationally argue that winning the TC would not be a good thing for horseracing. But that doesn't stop you, dirty, errr, reload, from making your specious argument.

I did not say it would not have a positive impact - only that it's positive impact would not be as great as people like you feel it would.

After the Smarty Jones buzz went on for three weeks and he lost, nothing was left to fill that void. It was like it all never happened. Did it get big TV ratings for the Belmont Stakes? Yes but that's about it. Did Stewart Eiliott get some big new fan base? For a few weeks, yes. But not long before it was just all gone.

Now if Big Brown actually wins the race, it creates more buzz. It gets people to watch his next races more (if there are any) - kind of like how Cigar's winning streak was. But I am saying that it really is not going to increase daily handle at the racetracks country-wide and they will all continue having the same financial problems the industry always seems to have. I also feel it will cause scrutiny about the drugs involved in horse racing. The states where the drugs he gets injected with legally may have to start caving.

Positive impact - yes. But not very much in the long run.
 

dirty

EOG Master
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Reload is taking dirty's place as EOG's most idiotic moderator.

Just the fact that BB is running for the TC in the Belmont in 3 weeks is having a huge positive impact on horseracing, if he wins it is just more of a positive effect....this is not even debatable!

And there will be negative stories about horseracing whether BB wins or not....it has nothing to do with BB and everything to do with the media who live to write negative stories. For instance, you and the media apparently consider steroids in horseracing a negative story...but why? Dutrow admittedly gives all his horses a monthly shot of steroids(Winstriol) on the 15th of each month and it's perfectly legal in 28 out of 38 states where racing is allowed. So why exactly is this a negative story?

And then in a later post you tried to make the point that tracks can not draw large crowds like they used to as somehow being a negative for horseracing. HELLO!!!! Earth to Reload...the world has changed in the last 50 years or so....I used to go to the track all the time when I was younger, I had to go there if I wanted to bet the ponies. But now I rarely go because I don't have to; there are so many other options, internet, OTB's, Vegas and Indian Casinos, where I can bet the ponies. Horseracing is doing just fine with or without a BB Triple Crown, but no one could rationally argue that winning the TC would not be a good thing for horseracing. But that doesn't stop you, dirty, errr, reload, from making your specious argument.



don't you have a Church to get to before it implodes because the Modern day Hypocritic Messiah thumps his bible in it 12 times and then can walk across the Baptismal pool so secure those donations from the members to maintain your gambling habit.
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
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I did not say it would not have a positive impact - only that it's positive impact would not be as great as people like you feel it would.

After the Smarty Jones buzz went on for three weeks and he lost, nothing was left to fill that void. It was like it all never happened. Did it get big TV ratings for the Belmont Stakes? Yes but that's about it. Did Stewart Eiliott get some big new fan base? For a few weeks, yes. But not long before it was just all gone.

Now if Big Brown actually wins the race, it creates more buzz. It gets people to watch his next races more (if there are any) - kind of like how Cigar's winning streak was. But I am saying that it really is not going to increase daily handle at the racetracks country-wide and they will all continue having the same financial problems the industry always seems to have. I also feel it will cause scrutiny about the drugs involved in horse racing. The states where the drugs he gets injected with legally may have to start caving.

Positive impact - yes. But not very much in the long run.

Well, considering that you don't know how great a positive impact I feel BB winning the TC would be(since I've never expressed my feelings on the subject), or that you can't possibly know what everyone thinks the impact of BB winning the TC will be, don't you understand how idiotic your comments are?

You did say this...
"I would say it causes even more negative stories for horse racing about horses being given drugs, steroids, etc."
...which is just incorrect! Those negative stories will be present whether BB wins the TC or no. At least you had the good sense, if not cowardice, to not answer my question...
"For instance, you and the media apparently consider steroids in horseracing a negative story...but why? Dutrow admittedly gives all his horses a monthly shot of steroids(Winstriol) on the 15th of each month and it's perfectly legal in 28 out of 38 states where racing is allowed. So why exactly is this a negative story?"
...I do thank you for filling the void in my life now that the idiot "dirty" is leaving EOG.

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pioneer

EOG Dedicated
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don't you have a Church to get to before it implodes because the Modern day Hypocritic Messiah thumps his bible in it 12 times and then can walk across the Baptismal pool so secure those donations from the members to maintain your gambling habit.

Your timing, if not your punctuation, is flawless....as if we needed more proof of your ignorance.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
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Pioneer, won't Jesus be upset with you for calling Dirty (one of his children) an idiot? Also, if you don't confess this sin will you be barred from those pearly white gates? thx.
 
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Well, considering that you don't know how great a positive impact I feel BB winning the TC would be(since I've never expressed my feelings on the subject), or that you can't possibly know what everyone thinks the impact of BB winning the TC will be, don't you understand how idiotic your comments are?

You did say this...
"I would say it causes even more negative stories for horse racing about horses being given drugs, steroids, etc."
...which is just incorrect! Those negative stories will be present whether BB wins the TC or no. At least you had the good sense, if not cowardice, to not answer my question...
"For instance, you and the media apparently consider steroids in horseracing a negative story...but why? Dutrow admittedly gives all his horses a monthly shot of steroids(Winstriol) on the 15th of each month and it's perfectly legal in 28 out of 38 states where racing is allowed. So why exactly is this a negative story?"
...I do thank you for filling the void in my life now that the idiot "dirty" is leaving EOG.

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Well let's look at other sports:
1. The Patriots undefeated steak in the NFL. Great thing for football, generated a lot of interest every week, lots of articles/books, etc. And they end up getting scrutinzed with Spygate. Now all we hear about is Spygate.

2. The Mark and Sammy home run race in baseball. Had people glued to the TV for a whole summer. Barry Bonds breaking the home run record later on. And now all we hear about is steroids and drugs.

I am saying that if Big Brown wins the Triple Crown, there will be a lot of other jealous people in the industry. And these organizations like PETA will start coming down even more on the sport. Even if it's legal to inject a horse with these drugs now, a highly visible thing like Big Brown winning the Triple Crown will cause a lot of fingers to get pointed. And that will be negative - so much that it could just about offset the positives. The owners of Big Brown don't care about positives for the sport - they just care about money. And there will be plenty of it for them with little left for the industry to benefit from.

I have answered your questions. If there is anything I have not covered, let me know.
 

DrunkHorseplayer

EOG Addicted
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This is the year, thanks to the incredibly weak crop of 3 year olds. The sport will get some short-term benefits out of this but, in the long run, the impact will be negligible.
 

nedrow

EOG Dedicated
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8 is the magic # last winner was in 78 next one in 08, done deal imo
20 20 20
x 4 4 prado mount
2 ex box
 

Flamingo kid

Everybody's hands go UP!
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Here's the problem that i see for Big Brown.

The reason that no one has won the Triple Crown in 30 years is because the breed isn't nearly as sturdy as it was back in the day.

We, as a sport, are trying to 'recreate' past glory with a modern thoroughbred that's as fragile as road playoff teams in the NBA, 2008 version.

Everything has gotten weaker, mentally and physically. Everything is a watered down version of the old days. There is way more of everything in our society and more isn't better.

So, the question is this. Can Big Brown 'buck' the alarming trend of the weakening breed and do something that no horse could do in 30 years?

Also, remember these important facts. Big Brown's Preakness doesn't count as much as defining his greatness as does the Derby. In the Derby, he defeated the best 3 year olds we had to offer. He won by a bit under 5 lengths under an all out drive all the way. He couldn't have won by 1 more inch. What you saw on Derby day was the best BB had to offer.

His Preakness, he beat much inferior competition. Also, and no one is discussing this, but the two frontrunners, the 2 horses that BB was stalking into the late far turn, both came to a dead stop and boxed in a few live runners who were moving well. Those horses were taken up and lost every inch of momentum. They weren't ever going to beat BB even if they got clear, but they would have been much closer to him at the wire had they gotten a clear shot thru, which a handful did not.

The 64 dollar question is this. Can Big Brown, with his 3rd race in 5 weeks and also many races crammed in a short (by industry standards) span of time, defeat his strongest challenger (casino drive) who has been rested and waiting at Belmont?

One more thing. In the Preakness, BB was a bit too eager early on in the race for my tastes...the mile and a half is a whole new ballgame and BB has shown tremendous eagerness to do it early and often........will he have enough left for the stretch and hold off an onrushing Casino Drive?

Casino Drive is a REAL horse. The stuff he beat at Pimlico wasn't even in the same galaxy.

Time is going to tell. If BB wins the TC, he's going to earn it. No more huge margins of victory under wraps, that's not happening here, BB will be tested like he's never been tested before and if he wins it...even by a nose, he's a worthy Champion and i'll tip my hat to him.

I think that BB is the most likely winner and more than a 50% chance of victory, but i don't think he's the 'sure thing' that the public is going to think he is before the race.

BB was not trained at all into the Preakness. he was handled with kid gloves and had very little 'real' exercise going into the race. His trainer is very well aware of short rest and is likely to do everything in his power to 'rest' and 'freshen up' BB for this race.

But, will he do it at the expense of true and deep fitness? Casino drive will be training hard for this race, as will a whole bunch of other horses who didn't contest the Preakness.

This is a tough situation that the trainer is in because he has to walk a fine line of training BB hard enough to be fit for this race and at the same time, not burn out a horse who has had a lot of races crammed into a short period of time.
 
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Casino Drive is crazy this horse watch his Peter Pan win

I think he beats Big Brown

he is the REAL DEAL
 
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don't you have a Church to get to before it implodes because the Modern day Hypocritic Messiah thumps his bible in it 12 times and then can walk across the Baptismal pool so secure those donations from the members to maintain your gambling habit.

I like this Dirty. Where have you been all this time. I cant wait until your employment is over here at EOG so the gloves can really come off with the Chosen One, Pioneer.


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Agree agree agree..any shot at 7-1 race day??

I think it will depend on how many other runners there are but whatever the odds it will be an overlay thanks to all the souveneir ticket money on Big Brown.
 

raycabino

Long Live Wilson!
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Shrink are you surprised that a couple sharps with some real dough didn't notice those place and show pools at the preakness and exploit them?
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
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I am saying that if Big Brown wins the Triple Crown, there will be a lot of other jealous people in the industry. And these organizations like PETA will start coming down even more on the sport. Even if it's legal to inject a horse with these drugs now, a highly visible thing like Big Brown winning the Triple Crown will cause a lot of fingers to get pointed. And that will be negative - so much that it could just about offset the positives. The owners of Big Brown don't care about positives for the sport - they just care about money. And there will be plenty of it for them with little left for the industry to benefit from.

I have answered your questions. If there is anything I have not covered, let me know.

I didn't ask you "questions"...I asked you one question, and you did NOT answer it. I look forward to your answer.


"For instance, you and the media apparently consider steroids in horseracing a negative story...but why? Dutrow admittedly gives all his horses a monthly shot of steroids(Winstriol) on the 15th of each month and it's perfectly legal in 28 out of 38 states where racing is allowed. So why exactly is this a negative story?"
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
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I like this Dirty. Where have you been all this time. I cant wait until your employment is over here at EOG so the gloves can really come off with the Chosen One, Pioneer.

OSUCOWARD,
I look forward to any discussion with dirty also, as ignorant as he is, at least he is not a coward like yourself.
 

pioneer

EOG Dedicated
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Pioneer, won't Jesus be upset with you for calling Dirty (one of his children) an idiot? Also, if you don't confess this sin will you be barred from those pearly white gates? thx.

What sin? It would be a sin to lie and say that dirty was NOT an idiot! You're welcome!
 
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