2000 Deaths in Context

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EOG Master
October 27, 2005
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<NYT_BYLINE version="1.0" type=" ">By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
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AS the aggregate number of American military fatalities in Iraq has crept up over the past 13 months - from 1,000 to 1,500 dead, and now to 2,000 - public support for the war has commensurately declined. With the nightly ghoulish news of improvised explosives and suicide bombers, Americans perhaps do not appreciate that the toppling of Saddam Hussein and the effort to establish a democratic government in Iraq have been accomplished at relatively moderate cost - two-thirds of the civilian fatalities incurred four years ago on the first day of the war against terrorism.
Comparative historical arguments, too, are not much welcome in making sense of the tragic military deaths - any more than citing the tens of thousands Americans who perish in traffic accidents each year. And few care to hear that the penultimate battles of a war are often the costliest - like the terrible summer of 1864 that nearly ruined the Army of the Potomac and almost ushered in a Copperhead government eager to stop at any cost the Civil War, without either ending slavery or restoring the Union. The battle for Okinawa was an abject bloodbath that took more than 50,000 American casualties, yet that campaign officially ended less than six weeks before Nagasaki and the Japanese surrender.
Compared with Iraq, America lost almost 17 times more dead in Korea, and 29 times more again in Vietnam - in neither case defeating our enemies nor establishing democracy in a communist north.
Contemporary critics understandably lament our fourth year of war since Sept. 11 in terms of not achieving a victory like World War II in a similar stretch of time. But that is to forget the horrendous nature of such comparison when we remember that America lost 400,000 dead overseas at a time when the country was about half its present size.
There is a variety of explanations why the carnage of history seems to bring today's public little comfort or perspective about the comparatively moderate costs of Iraq. First, Americans, like most democratic people, can endure fatalities if they believe they come in the pursuit of victory, during a war against an aggressor with a definite beginning and end. That's why most polls found that about three-quarters of the American people approved of the invasion upon the fall of the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad in April 2003.
The public's anguish for the fewer than 150 lost during that campaign was counterbalanced by the apparently easy victory and the visible signs of enemy capitulation. But between the first 200 fatalities and the 2,000th, a third of those favoring the war changed their minds, now writing off Iraq as a mistake. Perhaps we could summarize this radical transformation as, "I was for my easy removal of Saddam, but not for your bungled and costly postwar reconstruction."
Part of the explanation is that, like all wars against amorphous insurgencies, the current struggle requires almost constant explanation by the government to show how and why troops are fighting in a necessary cause - and for the nation's long-term security interests. Unless official spokesmen can continually connect the terrible sacrifices of our youth with the need to establish a consensual government in Iraq that might help to end the old pathology of the Middle East, in which autocracies spawn parasitic anti-Western terrorists, then the TV screen's images of blown-up American troops become the dominant narrative. The Bush administration, of course, did not help itself by having put forth weapons of mass destruction as the primary reason for the invasion - when the Senate, in bipartisan fashion, had previously authorized the war on a score of other sensible writs.
Yet castigating a sitting president for incurring such losses in even a victorious or worthy cause is hardly new. World War I and its aftermath destroyed Woodrow Wilson. Franklin Roosevelt's closest election was his fourth, just as the war was turning for the better in 1944 (a far better fate, remember, than his coalition partner Winston Churchill, who was thrown out of office before the final victory that he had done so much to ensure). Harry Truman wisely did not seek re-election in 1952 in the mess of Korea. Vietnam destroyed Lyndon Johnson and crippled Richard Nixon. Even George H. W. Bush found no lasting thanks for his miraculous victory in the 1991 Gulf war, while Bill Clinton's decision to tamper Serbian aggression - a victory obtained without the loss of a single American life - gave him no stored political capital when impeachment neared.
Americans are not afraid of wars, and usually win them, but our nature is not militaristic. Generals may become heroes despite the loss of life, but the presidents rarely find much appreciation even in victory.
Television and the global news media have changed the perception of combat fatalities as well. CNN would have shown a very different Iwo Jima - bodies rotting on the beach, and probably no coverage of the flag-raising from Mount Suribachi. It is conventional wisdom now to praise the amazing accomplishment of June 6, 1944. But a few ex tempore editorial comments from Geraldo Rivera or Ted Koppel, reporting live from the bloody hedgerows where the Allied advance stalled not far from the D-Day beaches - a situation rife with intelligence failures, poor equipment and complete surprise at German tactics - might have forced a public outcry to withdraw the forces from the Normandy "debacle" before it became a "quagmire."
Someone - perhaps Gens. Omar Bradley, Dwight Eisenhower or George Marshall himself - would have been fired as responsible for sending hundred of poorly protected armored vehicles down the narrow wooded lanes of the Bocage to be torched by well-concealed Germans. Subsequent press conferences over underarmored Sherman tanks would have made the present furor over Humvees in Iraq seem minor.
We are also now a different, much more demanding people. Americans have become mostly suburban, at great distance from the bloodletting and routine mayhem on the farms of our ancestors. We feel cheated if we don't die at 85 in quiet sleep rather than, as in the past, at 50 right on the job. Popular culture demands that we look 40 when we are 60, and with a pill we can transform fatal diseases into the status of mere runny noses. (Admittedly, this same degree of medical technology has kept the death total in Iraq a far smaller percentage of overall casualties than it would have been in any earlier war.)
Our technology is supposed to conquer time and space, and make the nearly impossible seem boringly routine. Ejecting a half-million or so Iraqis from Kuwait halfway around the world in 1991, or stopping Slobodan Milosevic from killing civilians is not just conceivable, but can and should be done almost instantly with few or no American lives lost. With such expectations of perfection, any death becomes a near national catastrophe for nearly 300 million in a way the disasters at the battles of Antietam and Tarawa were for earlier, fewer and poorer Americans.
If our enemies similarly believed in the obsolescence of war that so heartlessly has taken 2,000 of our best young men and women, then we could find solace in our growing intolerance of any battlefield losses. But until the nature of man himself changes, there will be wars that take our youth, and we will be increasingly vexed to explain why we should let them.
<NYT_AUTHOR_ID>Victor Davis Hanson is the author, most recently, of "A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian Wars."
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ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
If the US was truly a Christian based country - we would not be killing anyone, we would be turning the other cheek. So, I guess we are as hypocritical as the other countries and their religions!
 

dirty

EOG Master
you kill me ZZ.....I just shake my head and thank the Lord Most of this nation is not like you.....Nothing that happens is bad enough to take action (unless your name is Rove, libby or Bush), and if anything happens and the Conservatives in Charge it is the worst thing to Ever happen To mankind.


You are the most pessimistic and Neo Fascist person I have ever come across....Your disdain for anything other than Socialist ideas and Views Clouds your judgment on anything that has to do with Individual Freedoms and rights.....The Left like you have the Mindset that Unless it happens to ME personally then it is not happening at all, and Nothing that is done to prevent or to Protect anything or Anyone is not worth it.


When you are at a Mall one day and a Islamic Homicide Bomber Kills Thousands Of People again, and One of them happens to be your Family, Don't come screaming for Blood and for Justice to the Very People you are Trying to Protect right now with your Views and Beliefs


The Far left and the Jihadist may as well be working hand in hand, as the left in this country will not allow us to do what is necessary to protect America and it's Interests....The left is So Anti American it is really sickening....The Socialist Movement Started In Vietnam and it is Picking up steam every day....


Just Yesterday Iran's President said that his Goal was to Punish and Attack any country that has ties with the USA and israel....They would not stop, first in Europe by taking over the countries then Islamic Militants and then Turning on Israel and the USA with Nuclear Weapons and Annihilating the US and wiping it Off the Map....


Y'all May be willing to stand By and see this happen, but I am Proud to say that their are Hundreds of Millions of Americans including the Great People of our Armed Services that will not stand by and idly watch this Country be Destroyed by a Bunch of Islamist Wacko's and NEOcon Left wing Freaks. After hearing what the President of Iran said yesterday and you still think we should not be over there fighting The Peaceful Religion of Islam then you need to go Back into your cave with Bin Laden and Help him plan the Next attack on this Great nation of Ours.


I am proud to be a American and I will not stand by and Idly played like the Pied Piper by the Liberal media and the Left wing leadership in this country and by looking at the turnover from Dem's to Republicans in Congress Hundreds and Millions of Americans will stand up and Fight for Our country.
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
I guess we can still agree to disagree, for a while longer! I guess your conservative principles coincide with those same Islamic values of 'hate your neighbor' unlike how I was taught in my upbringing to 'love my neighbor'! Hate is a wonderful thing for you guys! Have a good night! P.S. I'm glad I can be of entertainment value for you! LOL! P.S. II I am very optimistic about everything but our political leaders! P.S. III If someone harms, maims, or kills my family I will try to forgive them and leave vengeance to the Lord!
 

dirty

EOG Master
It is funny for Christians to say that.....The bible is the most Violent book every written.....But it is OK since it was so Long ago.....Christianity started More Wars to spread thier Religion than any other in the History of mankind...

Being a Pascifist doesn't make you a Better Christian than anyone else...It just means you have Passivist Views and probably worship one of the More pascifist Factions of Christianity...
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
My principles are based on Jesus' teachings - and I do not think you will find better anywhere. You and I will be both be judged accordingly - or, we won't! Good Luck! P.S. If you call Jesus a Pascifist faction - then I am guilty. I thought ALL Christians followed Christ - but I guess, as usual, you conservatives will even spin Jesus!
 

Coast2Coast

EOG Senior Member
Every life is precious. I just wish people were as concerned about the 125,000 Americans that have died in car crashes, including 20,000 young people under 20 years old, since March 03 as we are with the 2,000 Americans that have died in the war since March 03.

Compare these two tragic situations that have cost the lives of young Americans and you see that car crashes resulted in 10 times the number of deaths, but garnered 1/1000 the amount of news coverage. It just reminds us that the media's and politician's focus on war deaths is about politics and gaining points for their political side and points of view, not about human life. If they were truly concerned about human life, they would spend a lot more time, attention and money on preventing heart disease (800k deaths a year), cancer (700k deaths/year) and motor vehicle crashes (43k deaths a year)...particularly teenage driving tragedies (8k deaths/year).
 

ZZ CREAM

EOG Master
Excellent point CC! I have brought these same points up before and usually get laughed at. It is very sad seeing these young guys blast down the road with no consideration for life -their own or others. We were almost all like that as young men and I do not see that invincibility factor changing any time soon.
I have advocated having 65 year old men fight our wars also. But, somehow, noone ever listens!
 
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