A $1M F**K UP

[winkyduck]

Winning basket in tonight's TBT final. Golden Eagles hit a 3 to reach 78 and win 78-73

EXCEPT.....................

THE BASKET SHOULD NOT HAVE COUNTED!

Rules very clearly state an offensive player INTENTIONALLY running out of bounds along the baseline to evade a defender is a VIOLATION! When the player received the ball - the whistle should have blown and the ball should have gone to Cancer down 75-73. TBT and the ref F****D UP!

Hope TBT acknowledges it!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1283201291519438849

 

[John Kelly]

I remember seeing Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen and Steph Curry pulling that move in the NBA.

Hmmm...

It makes sense that the players must stay on the court.

 

[John Kelly]

Is it an NBA violation only if the player who ran out of bounds is the first to touch the ball?

 

[John Kelly]

Was there any doubt that Travis Diener was going to bury the open 3-ball with $1,000,000 on the line?

 

[John Kelly]

The Elam Ending is pure brilliance.

Every game ends on a made basket.

 

[winkyduck]

Is it an NBA violation only if the player who ran out of bounds is the first to touch the ball?

Don't know. But I know in HS and NCAA this is a violation and TBT plays with mostly CBB rules. The player who did this did it RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REF! No way he could miss it. Shame on him. Sideline shoulda gotten the ball back down 75-73. They still might lose but with the ball down 2 who knows what might happen. TBT owes Sideline an apology for this.

Elam Ending.........................it has its good and bad points

 

[WildBill]

Like that ever gets called. I believe the NBA rule is player just must have both feet re-established before receiving the ball which he clearly does. Players do this all the time, Reggie Miller used to do it about 20 times a game.

 

[hcskip]

Looks like the OOB move was okay:
https://www.sportsrec.com/7300901/c...tep-out-of-bounds-step-back-in-touch-the-ball

OR....maybe not:
https://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1649

Need to find a real rulebook, I suppose.

 

[winkyduck]

Looks like the OOB move was okay:
https://www.sportsrec.com/7300901/c...tep-out-of-bounds-step-back-in-touch-the-ball

OR....maybe not:
https://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1649

Need to find a real rulebook, I suppose.

You posted 2 different situations. The first one does not apply to this play. The 2nd one does and the 2nd one very clearly shows what happened: VIOLATION!

 

[TobyTyler]

It's unlikely they call that with under a min to play in an nba playoff game, nevermind the TBT final . college refs. not calling that.

 

[winkyduck]

It's unlikely they call that with under a min to play in an nba playoff game, nevermind the TBT final . college refs. not calling that.

BUT THEY SHOULD!

We are always hear: refs shouldn't decide the game. HERE - THEY DID! Failing to call something THAT MUST BE CALLED - decided the game!

We are told: Call the game the same in the last minute of the game as you would the first.

That is not an NBA rule. It is CBB/HS.

 

[raycabino]

BUT THEY SHOULD!

We are always hear: refs shouldn't decide the game. HERE - THEY DID! Failing to call something THAT MUST BE CALLED - decided the game!

We are told: Call the game the same in the last minute of the game as you would the first.

That is not an NBA rule. It is CBB/HS.

They don't make that call in the 1st half either.

 

[raycabino]

So my question is how many times did they make that call in this tournament?

 

[winkyduck]

So my question is how many times did they make that call in this tournament?

No idea. I can't answer it since I have not seen every second of every game. All I do know is that call CANNOT BE MISSED!

That is one of the all-time easiest calls any official will ever have.

And the ref FUCKED IT UP!

 

[raycabino]

No idea. I can't answer it since I have not seen every second of every game. All I do know is that call CANNOT BE MISSED!

That is one of the all-time easiest calls any official will ever have.

And the ref FUCKED IT UP!

May be easy to make but my point is I have never seen that call made ever in any form of basketball.

 

[winkyduck]

May be easy to make but my point is I have never seen that call made ever in any form of basketball.

It is not an NBA rule so you would never see it there. It is a CBB/HS rule and my guess is you don't watch many HS games on TV. Not saying that is bad - just - it is.

Of all of the calls an official on those 2 levels can make that is by far one of the very easiest ones to make. I am about 5-ish feet off the baseline so I get a good view of things. I see someone run in front of me. It doesn't get any easier than that. Tweeeeeeeeeeeeeet! Blow my whistle. Raise my hand with a palm and not a fist (Palm for a violation - Fist for a foul). Then point your arm in the other direction and say that teams color: White ball!

Sometimes the coach you called it against will ask what the call was and you tell him/her. Or like me I verbally state what I called. There is no arguing it because the player knows he did it and odds are the coach did, too.

If you are the Lead (Ref on the baseline) you see the player running from the other side. he runs right in front of you. That call is so easy to make and is one YOU MUST MAKE!

 

[Sportsrmylife]

Jesus christ winky.

that play gets called as often as traveling does in the NBA.

Stop with this righteous "I follow the rule book to the T" type of signaling you are doing here.

I'm sure that doing a play by play of you on the court would find plenty of mistakes based on the rules and how you call the game.

You are stuck in the HS level because that is what you are, a HS ref.

Let the people that are getting paid more money for one game than you do in a week call the game.

 

[winkyduck]

Jesus christ winky.

that play gets called as often as traveling does in the NBA.

Stop with this righteous "I follow the rule book to the T" type of signaling you are doing here.

I'm sure that doing a play by play of you on the court would find plenty of mistakes based on the rules and how you call the game.

You are stuck in the HS level because that is what you are, a HS ref.

Let the people that are getting paid more money for one game than you do in a week call the game.

I don't. I have said: Show me an official who calls the rules exactly the way the book says they should and I will show you the worst ref in the association.

If I am down low and Team A has the ball................If a Team B player is under the basket in good rebounding position and a Team A player illegally moves him out of the way I don't call a foul unless it made an impact on the play. If the ball goes IN or bounces clearly the other way I don't call anything since it had impact/advantage on the play.

THIS!!!!!!!!!! THIS DID! On this play a clear advantage was gained by an illegal move. IT MUST BE CALLED!

As for why I do HS..................there are many reasons. Too many to get into here. One of the biggest ones is I just didn't have the time to attend all of the camps and all needed to be seen for consideration for college.

 

[pete mcmeat]

i see winkys point here and agree.......but i'm not familiar with this league or it's rules.....what did the team do to collect 1m....what would have happened if they scored 79

 

[railbird]

i saw it get called more often 15 years ago, in todays hip hop culture of shorter shot clock and less structured offenses i see it called less or maybe never anymore. i agree it should have been called.

 

[winkyduck]

i see winkys point here and agree.......but i'm not familiar with this league or it's rules.....what did the team do to collect 1m....what would have happened if they scored 79

78 was the target score to win. So when the score was 75-73 hitting a 3 to make it 78-73 ended the game. But if the right call was made SC gets the ball down 75-73 and that GW Trey never happens, Maybe Eagles win anyway? But to win it on an illegal play that was one of the easiest calls that official will ever make...............INEXCUSABLE!

 

[WildBill]

Just trying to get more color on this rule Winky. So guy runs out of bounds, its just a violation right there? He's supposed to stay in bounds even if it means he's boxed in by congested lane? Doesn't make sense to me. What if he's trying to get away from someone and his toe touches the end line, violation too? I can see why this rule would never be called, it isn't feasible to allow it. Then it becomes like a football rule, just tell the defender to force out his opponent and you cause a turnover.

And seriously how did JJ Reddick not break this rule all the time at Duke???

 

[winkyduck]

Just trying to get more color on this rule Winky. So guy runs out of bounds, its just a violation right there? He's supposed to stay in bounds even if it means he's boxed in by congested lane? Doesn't make sense to me. What if he's trying to get away from someone and his toe touches the end line, violation too? I can see why this rule would never be called, it isn't feasible to allow it. Then it becomes like a football rule, just tell the defender to force out his opponent and you cause a turnover.

And seriously how did JJ Reddick not break this rule all the time at Duke???

YES! If he intentionally does it to evade a defender. As he did here. He clearly tried to evade a defender by running OOB along the baseline then "re-appeared" on the other side of the court without a defender following him/her.

If he is boxed in by a congested lane and somehow is forced OOB - that is not a violation. If he comes back into play where he went out. If he is forced out of the key and past the baseline but comes back where he went out that would not be called. If he so much as places a toe on the baseline - OK!

What SHOULD happen is when the Lead official (one on the baseline) suddenly sees a player from the offensive team doing this - running OOB along the baseline to get away from the defender and in doing so runs right past me.......TWEET! Whistle gets blown, my arm goes up, I call "Violation on White (Or whatever color it is)", then point to the other end and say "Blue (Or whatever color the defense is) Ball" at which point the coach you called it against almost always asks what I called and then I tell him. His reaction is always a 50/50 kind of thing. If they are not happy about it I simply ask how he (or she) would react if it happened the other way and I did not call it. That usually ends things right there

 

[John Kelly]

Like that ever gets called. I believe the NBA rule is player just must have both feet re-established before receiving the ball which he clearly does. Players do this all the time, Reggie Miller used to do it about 20 times a game.

Reggie Miller, yes.

He was always seen running the baseline while out-of-bounds.

I think Miller also perfected kicking out his leg while shooting a jumper to draw a foul.

That is, until the refs became aware of the slick tactic.

 

[winkyduck]

Reggie Miller, yes.

He was always seen running the baseline while out-of-bounds.

I think Miller also perfected kicking out his leg while shooting a jumper to draw a foul.

That is, until the refs became aware of the slick tactic.

But it is legal in the NBA. Should it be? That is another "story" - but it is.

Miller kicking out his leg is something HS kids do all of the time and when nothing is called for it their coach gets livid for us not calling a foul on the play because his shooter got knocked to the ground. I;ll run past a coach and he will ask why I didn't call a foul for his guy getting knocked to the ground. My reply is: "Coach you want to know why we didn't call an offensive foul on your guy for kicking out his leg on the shot so he could draw contact? Is that what you are asking?"..............That shuts them up 100% of the time

 

[raycabino]

Good no call. A call there would have been a fucking travesty and a ref just showing is fucking ass.

 

[pete mcmeat]

Good no call. A call there would have been a fucking travesty and a ref just showing is fucking ass.

remind me not to ask you to rule over over a book dispute...

 

[winkyduck]

Good no call. A call there would have been a fucking travesty and a ref just showing is fucking ass.

You have not addressed the issue here: Is there a rule about this? YES! Was the WRONG call made? YES! If the ref calls it the second #3 touches the ball there is no one going nuts because he killed the play ASAP..........as he should have

BTW - you OK with the refs NOT going double-dribble on UVA here..............knowing that because it was not called UVA won the 2019 NCAA when, if the right call is made, they do not because they lose this game? By your way of thinking not calling it was OK since calling it would have been wrong and just showing the ref knew the rule and no one else did. Right?!

 

[raycabino]

remind me not to ask you to rule over over a book dispute...

duly noted

 

[raycabino]

You have not addressed the issue here: Is there a rule about this? YES! Was the WRONG call made? YES! If the ref calls it the second #3 touches the ball there is no one going nuts because he killed the play ASAP..........as he should have

BTW - you OK with the refs NOT going double-dribble on UVA here..............knowing that because it was not called UVA won the 2019 NCAA when, if the right call is made, they do not because they lose this game? By your way of thinking not calling it was OK since calling it would have been wrong and just showing the ref knew the rule and no one else did. Right?!

I'm in favor of calling a game the same way from start to finish. If the call is made regularly when the offense occurs then it should be called at the end of the game as well. However if the players have been doing this all tourney and the refs haven't called it then they can't call it at the end of the game. Now if you show me that the call had been made regularly during the tourney then i certainly agree with you but if not then the ref is showing his ass by making the call at the most important time of the game.

 

[Sportsrmylife]

I cant believe winky is still in here arguing his point.

What a waste of keystrokes.

 

[Sportsrmylife]

This is winkys life goal. To let people know that he knows the rules better than the professional officials.

Yet he doesnt know if this was a violation in this league's set of rules.

But instead of researching he just restates his POV 100x over and over again.

Isnt there a 10u aau tourney you should be getting ready to officiate at.

 

[winkyduck]

This is winkys life goal. To let people know that he knows the rules better than the professional officials.

Yet he doesnt know if this was a violation in this league's set of rules.

But instead of researching he just restates his POV 100x over and over again.

Isnt there a 10u aau tourney you should be getting ready to officiate at.

I do. It is a violation. Did you miss me saying that from the start!

I did my research. Violation. Nothing more to argue

As for officiating.............no games are being played now and even if they were I might not be able to do them. I still limp a little and I am not sure if it is because the cancer knocked my right hip out of socket or because it ate a away a tiny pat of the bone my right leg is now a tad shorter than my left. My insurance company has let me down in this regard

 

[Sportsrmylife]

Winky

I like your posts.

Just wondering why you are beating this dead horse.

 

[winkyduck]

Winky

I like your posts.

Just wondering why you are beating this dead horse.

Agree. My bad. I just assumed (and we know what happens when you ass-u-me) people were smart and cared that a championship was won on a brutally bad call.