A couple of questions regarding U.S. Sportsbooks

I can bet $12 at MGM, $9.87 at DK and $5 at Wynn. PointsBet and Superbook send me to their trading teams and half the time come back with a $25-$50 limit as they change the odds. Same goes with the other 15 books in Colorado. Some of these books I'm actually down with and they still limited me. Yes I chase steam, pick off bad numbers and play a lot of props. It is what is.

So that being said I have a couple of questions that I would like some opinions on:

Are these books set up to limit players through algorithms OR is there an actual person that reviews the accounts before limiting them? How many "dumb bets" do you think you would have to make to avoid being put on the sharp list. For instance, do you think if you started an account and made 50-100 $10 3 team parlays that it would help?

If you were going to set up an account in your significant others name, what would be some things to avoid to keep from getting flagged? Is it even possible not to get flagged?

TIA
 
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John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Good call last night on the Shai Gilgeous-Alexander prop.

No insight on the Colorado books.

I'm still dumbfounded that these large corporations like FanDuel and DraftKings operate their sports book operations on a state-by-state basis for most everything except the betting menu.

Why not price the Bears higher in Illinois or the Broncos higher in Colorado?

Seems like they're leaving money on the table.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
And pursuant to Ruca's question, will his betting profile from Colorado be shared with sports betting operators in other states?
 

MrTop

EOG Master
not all the legal books are the same lines. MGM , golden nugget, wynn different NJ - Nv .... westgate the same
 
Good call last night on the Shai Gilgeous-Alexander prop.

No insight on the Colorado books.

I'm still dumbfounded that these large corporations like FanDuel and DraftKings operate their sports book operations on a state-by-state basis for most everything except the betting menu.

Why not price the Bears higher in Illinois or the Broncos higher in Colorado?

Seems like they're leaving money on the table.
Looks like I already work for MaximBet. 1st 3 days accepted my wagers no problem and then for about a week they would send me to review accept my play and then adjust the odds. Now they send me to review reject the play and adjust the odds, all in a two week span.
 

TobyTyler

EOG Dedicated
I actually got on chat today with mgm because you can't get total win/loss off their app,onky goes back three months (or you have to plug in every month manually) anyway I thought was plus $10k Ish but it's +6k.
You must props only and steam only?
 
I actually got on chat today with mgm because you can't get total win/loss off their app,onky goes back three months (or you have to plug in every month manually) anyway I thought was plus $10k Ish but it's +6k.
You must props only and steam only?
They'll get you eventually. I lasted almost a year and half with them. I think a lot of it had to do with me losing during march madness and bases over the summer. Happens much sooner if you beat them right of the bat.
 
I actually got on chat today with mgm because you can't get total win/loss off their app,onky goes back three months (or you have to plug in every month manually) anyway I thought was plus $10k Ish but it's +6k.
You must props only and steam only?
You can get a won/loss statement for 2021. This was mine, I bet 10k is when you'll get flagged.

Total Wagered: $694,365.02

Total Won: $704,949.02

Total Win/Loss: $10,584.00
 

boston massacre

EOG Dedicated
You can get a won/loss statement for 2021. This was mine, I bet 10k is when you'll get flagged.

Total Wagered: $694,365.02

Total Won: $704,949.02

Total Win/Loss: $10,584.00


10k and a Penny Transaction, They Go To The IRS Form W-9.

There's Nothing On That, That States Any Gambling Winnings.

You'd Have To Fill That Out Even If You Deposited That Into a Bank.

Gambling Winning IRS Forms Come Into Play, When You Win 300 per 1 Dollar Wagered.

You Fill Out IRS Form W-2g

If You Hit a $2 Horse Race Exacta For 1500 Dollars, Casino Will Report gambling winnings on IRS Form W-2 G and Take Out 20 % of Winnings.

If You Bet a Million Dollars on a Football Game And Win, Nothing is Reported. It's A 1 For 1 Win. They Put Onus on Person To Report It.

But You'll Be Required To Fill Out IRS Form W-9, When You Made The Wager. Over 10 K Transaction.

No Form To Fill Out On The Winnings.

Casino's Can Track Your Action, But Only Valid Communication Between Casino and IRS On Players, Are Those Forms Mentioned.

If Those Forms Are Not Filled Out, Then IRS Knows Nothing.

Always Good To Know How UNCLE SAM OPERATES.


Crazy System.

Win 1500.

IRS is Informed.

Win 1 Million, IRS Knows Nothing.


If You Hit a $2 Horse Race Exacta For 1500 Dollars, Casino Will Report gambling winnings on IRS Form W-2 G and Take Out 20 % of Winnings.

If You Bet a Million Dollars on a Football Game And Win, Nothing is Reported. It's A 1 For 1 Win. They Put Onus on Person To Report It. If You Show 1 Million in Loses, No Taxes Paid On Winnings.
 

TobyTyler

EOG Dedicated
Got an email from Borgata, 100% match up to $500 plus a $50 bet

I never used their book sent them 500 paypal

They put four $125 free plays in my account plus one $50 free play. One week to use them.

App is clunky, exact same software as MGM and exact same lines.

Used last night, doubled it put the $500 back into my PayPal now using their $500 to play with, was a good night.
 

Heim

EOG Master
Got an email from Borgata, 100% match up to $500 plus a $50 bet

I never used their book sent them 500 paypal

They put four $125 free plays in my account plus one $50 free play. One week to use them.

App is clunky, exact same software as MGM and exact same lines.

Used last night, doubled it put the $500 back into my PayPal now using their $500 to play with, was a good night.

So do most of these books only have a one time roll over requirement?
 

TobyTyler

EOG Dedicated
So do most of these books only have a one time roll over requirement?
Yes, that's correct

Small print to be concerned with is the "risk free bet" promo, some of the books had a one all-in bet requirement for the free play (if you lost first bet) to be used in specific time frame
 
Here's an email I got from MaximBet....

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Anthony
Apr 11, 04:14
Hi Bradly,
Thank you for contacting MaximBet Customer Support!
We are writing with regards to your wagering limits.
Per our previous discussion, you will be able to place wagers up to $50 on MLB moneylines without review by the Trading Team being necessary.
We recommend taking a trial and error approach with regards to placing your wagers to see if we can meet your limit needs on various markets. All wagers above the limit for that market will need to be referred for review.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Should you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best Regards,
Anthony G
Customer Support Specialist
MaximBet.com

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TobyTyler

EOG Dedicated
These books are clueless. If they had any idea how much I'm down in baseball over my lifetime they would be begging me to bet as much as I could.
How do you like Superbooknfor MLB? It's one of the only ones I have not taken bonus from or tried out.
 
How do you like Superbooknfor MLB? It's one of the only ones I have not taken bonus from or tried out.
They're probably the one that I'm the most disappointed in. Have me limited to betting $250 on dogs and a limit of winning $250 on favs. $25 limit on all props. Basically a complete joke.
 
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I can bet $12 at MGM, $9.87 at DK and $5 at Wynn. PointsBet and Superbook send me to their trading teams and half the time come back with a $25-$50 limit as they change the odds. Same goes with the other 15 books in Colorado. Some of these books I'm actually down with and they still limited me. Yes I chase steam, pick off bad numbers and play a lot of props. It is what is.

So that being said I have a couple of questions that I would like some opinions on:

Are these books set up to limit players through algorithms OR is there an actual person that reviews the accounts before limiting them? How many "dumb bets" do you think you would have to make to avoid being put on the sharp list. For instance, do you think if you started an account and made 50-100 $10 3 team parlays that it would help?

If you were going to set up an account in your significant others name, what would be some things to avoid to keep from getting flagged? Is it even possible not to get flagged?

TIA
Are the lines slow moving or off? Most of my play is through bitcoin books but I'll have to look into all the state books.
 
Got an email from Borgata, 100% match up to $500 plus a $50 bet

I never used their book sent them 500 paypal

They put four $125 free plays in my account plus one $50 free play. One week to use them.

App is clunky, exact same software as MGM and exact same lines.

Used last night, doubled it put the $500 back into my PayPal now using their $500 to play with, was a good night.
Be careful using PayPal. Heard those depositing by PayPal get a 1099. Most books seem to need a 300-1 winner.
 
SuperBook has to be the single biggest disappointment to me. I knew 90% of these books would be mickey mouse types but I figured they would try to compete with Circa, boy was I dead wrong. I went to bet the Celtics ML today $800 to win a nickel was sent to their trading team and was offered $400 to win $250. This is 4 hours before game time of the NBA Finals and you're going to limit me to win $250? What a joke.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
SuperBook has to be the single biggest disappointment to me. I knew 90% of these books would be mickey mouse types but I figured they would try to compete with Circa, boy was I dead wrong. I went to bet the Celtics ML today $800 to win a nickel was sent to their trading team and was offered $400 to win $250. This is 4 hours before game time of the NBA Finals and you're going to limit me to win $250? What a joke.

Those aren't real limits.

Those are entertainment-level limits.

The cartel, led by FanDuel and DraftKings, better be careful or a crafty entrepreneur is going to steal all their business.
 

boston massacre

EOG Dedicated
SuperBook has to be the single biggest disappointment to me. I knew 90% of these books would be mickey mouse types but I figured they would try to compete with Circa, boy was I dead wrong. I went to bet the Celtics ML today $800 to win a nickel was sent to their trading team and was offered $400 to win $250. This is 4 hours before game time of the NBA Finals and you're going to limit me to win $250? What a joke.



These Nickel and Dime Operations , Who Operate Out Of Fear, Should Be Tossed
 

railbird

EOG Master
Sports betting options were much better in the 90s, all the sports betting ambassadors have sucked (EDIT) badly
 
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You guys will get a kick out of this one. I saw sharky's play in the BB thread and thought I would follow.
 

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wow how does this happen?
Winning is #1 but even if you're just beating the closing line consistently they'll give you the hook. Barstoo,l Bet Rivers, Twinspires, Bally, SI, Maxum, Betway SBK, Play UP, Tipico all will cut your limits within weeks if your making +EV bets regardless of outcome. Pointsbet Super and Fox will start sending you to a trader after a while. FD and DK give you a pretty long rope but will eventually cut you down to limits not worth playing. I've actually had pretty good luck with Ceasers and Wynn even though I'm up quit a bit and of coarse the best in the business is Circa sports.
 
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